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Biden Pardons Hunter

The inference that you are treating all “corruption” as equal arises from your assertion that people are hypocritical for giving a pass to Biden and not to Trump
That's not what inference means. Inference refers to rational conclusions based on existing trends in data, not wild speculation and accusation one is using to build a strawman fallacy.
 
The inference that you are treating all “corruption” as equal arises from your assertion that people are hypocritical for giving a pass to Biden and not to Trump
That's not what inference means. Inference refers to rational conclusions based on existing trends in data, not wild speculation and accusation one is using to build a strawman fallacy.
Oh, you mean like your in unevidenced inference* of Biden’s character deficiency based on media material? You don’t know the guy.

You implied that people are hypocritical for giving a pass to Biden and not to Trump.
The inference rationally drawn from the implication you make, is that you are again falsely equivocating, as has been shown to be your habit.
You are naively (I hope) oblivious to the orders of magnitude encompasssd by the “sliding scale” you (or was it Tigers!?) mock.

The Hunters and the Trumps don’t exist in the same universe of corruption.

*not all inference is statistical
 
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Then the Poli police show and arrest him for breaking and entering.
Not to mention the obvious hypocrisy of accusing me if an inequivalence of scale, then constructing a hypothetical scenario that's completely on another planet from the situation at hand! What puppy was Hunter fucking Biden saving from a burning building? His retirement plans?
 
Then the Poli police show and arrest him for breaking and entering.
Not to mention the obvious hypocrisy of accusing me if an inequivalence of scale, then constructing a hypothetical scenario that's completely on another planet from the situation at hand! What puppy was Hunter fucking Biden saving from a burning building? His retirement plans?
Well, the scale you ignore is that the house is burning unattended (PoliPolice are busy) in the dry season and the whole neighborhood (Country) is likely going up in flames. And it’s not Joe’s doing.

But you do seem to enjoy jousting with the dragons of evil, even if you specialize in taking on the miniatures.
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Well, the scale you ignore is that the house is burning unattended (PoliPolice are busy) in the dry season and the whole neighborhood (Country) is likely going up in flames. And it’s not Joe’s doing.
How is letting some asshole get away with fraud and negligence supposed to help resolve the "fire" in question? At best, this is a major distraction that everyone will be talking about for the next decade.

If your absolute worst case scenario came true, however implausibly, and Hunter Biden were executed for treason for lying on a registration form, that would still be better for the country than this pardon is. At least then "our side" would have a martyr, and Trump would be obviously in the wrong for killing him, as opposed to our actual situation, in which "our side" has nothing but a credible accusation of nepotism.
 
The inference that you are treating all “corruption” as equal arises from your assertion that people are hypocritical for giving a pass to Biden and not to Trump
That's not what inference means. Inference refers to rational conclusions based on existing trends in data, not wild speculation and accusation one is using to build a strawman fallacy.
Ok: Hunter Biden is sentenced. In a fair and just world, his sentence would suspended or time served. Don’t @ me: I know what sort of sentences such crimes usually get and how they absolutely are based on recovery, payment of taxes, strong ties to the community and strong family support—all of which Hunter has done/has available. Far worse have gotten far less, including what was just elected as POTUS, and a LOT of others struggling with substance use/abuse but lacking names that we would recognize.
Or perhaps he would have been given prison time. We don’t know.

But we can be certain that Hunter Biden has a target on his back and will have fur the rest of his life.

For the crime of being Joe Biden’s son.
 
Well, the scale you ignore is that the house is burning unattended (PoliPolice are busy) in the dry season and the whole neighborhood (Country) is likely going up in flames. And it’s not Joe’s doing.
How is letting some asshole get away with fraud and negligence supposed to help resolve the "fire" in question? At best, this is a major distraction that everyone will be talking about for the next decade.

If your absolute worst case scenario came true, however implausibly, and Hunter Biden were executed for treason for lying on a registration form, that would still be better for the country than this pardon is. At least then "our side" would have a martyr, and Trump would be obviously in the wrong for killing him, as opposed to our actual situation, in which "our side" has nothing but a credible accusation of nepotism.
Dang! You really hate Hunter! And I thought I was tough on criminals!! Unfortunately, I have a lot of experience with drug addicts. I hate drugs. I hate what it does to people. However, I would caution to not judge people who are on drugs. Yes, I’ve seen addicts willing to sell their children for a hit (let alone lie on a federal form or lie on the taxes). I’ve seen reformed druggies who become great people. Yes Hunter has done some bad things. But all people deserve a second chance in my view.
 
Bottom line, you have no right to complain about corruption under Trump if you cheered for it under Biden
Riiiight, because there aren’t degrees of corruption.
I made no such claim. But you're coming from a very weak position if you're saying "nepotistic blanket pardons are a very low degree of corruption that I openly encourage, but I absolutely draw the line at a neposistic business emoluments!"
Without the “blanket”, “openly encourage” and “absolutely draw the line” and my position is stronger and saner than yours appears to me.
 
A former British opposition leader called Neil Kinnock might disagree with you here.
I have no idea who that is. Or what he's disagreeing with me about.

Full Disclosure:
I'm an Irish American. Those Brits can Guy Fawke themselves.
Tom
 
Bottom line, you have no right to complain about corruption under Trump if you cheered for it under Biden
Riiiight, because there aren’t degrees of corruption.
I made no such claim. But you're coming from a very weak position if you're saying "nepotistic blanket pardons are a very low degree of corruption that I openly encourage, but I absolutely draw the line at a neposistic business emoluments!"
Without the “blanket”, “openly encourage” and “absolutely draw the line” and my position is stronger and saner than yours appears to me.
Without those words, we aren't talking about the situation at hand. The one in which you're flipping the fuck out because someone criticized a nepotistic blanket pardon.
 
Bottom line, you have no right to complain about corruption under Trump if you cheered for it under Biden
Riiiight, because there aren’t degrees of corruption.
I made no such claim. But you're coming from a very weak position if you're saying "nepotistic blanket pardons are a very low degree of corruption that I openly encourage, but I absolutely draw the line at a neposistic business emoluments!"
Without the “blanket”, “openly encourage” and “absolutely draw the line” and my position is stronger and saner than yours appears to me.
Without those words, we aren't talking about the situation at hand. The one in which you're flipping the fuck out because someone criticized a nepotistic blanket pardon.
I did not openly encourage anything.
Since there was no blanket pardon (it was unconditional) your raving butthurt is over some nonexistent situation.
 
A former British opposition leader called Neil Kinnock might disagree with you here.
A few months after the general election, Kinnock gained brief attention in the United States in August 1987 when it was discovered that then-US Senator Joe Biden of Delaware (and future 46th President) plagiarised one of Kinnock's speeches during his 1988 presidential campaign in a speech at a Democratic Party debate in Iowa. This led to Biden's withdrawal of his presidential campaign. The two men met after the incident, forming a lasting friendship.
 
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Does the Pardon given by Joe to Hunter include the J-6 Hostages, who have now been imprisoned for years? Such an abuse and miscarriage of Justice!
Yeah, they're equivalent. :rolleyes:
 
How is letting some asshole get away with fraud and negligence supposed to help resolve the "fire" in question?
It DOESN’T.
Are analogies always this tough for you?
Let’s go through it so you understand:
The fire is Donald Trump’s doing, the arsonist is Donald Trump, the kid is the VICTIM, whose Dad’s priority was SAVING THE KID.
SAVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD from the arsonist is the public priority, and the dad saving the kid from the arsonist’s attack by breaking and entering*, is not on the ethical or moral level of the arsonist, as YOU KEEP IMPLYING.
How does persecuting the kid, spoiled though he may be, mitigate the fire or other danger brought by the arsonist?
IT DOESN’T.

* This is how the analogy cedes ground to your specious argument; breaking and entering is illegal; a president pardoning someone is not. Even if it’s a traitor like Mike Flynn or Paul Manafort, a violent racist like Joe Arpaio or a jaywalker like Hunter.

I am beginning to think you’ve dug yourself into an untenable position and are now verging on outright nonsense to “defend” it. Disappointingly juvenile.
 
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To continue the analogy, the townspeople have decided the arsonist might be guilty, but believe he is a great builder and he says the town might as well burn down because jaywalkers like Hunter and his breaking/entering dad have turned it into a shithole. Some residents who should know better (you) agree that persecuting Hunter and his dad, is just as high a priority as saving the Town from burning down, because “letting him get away” with jaywalking encourages arsonists.

Yes, I am lumping your stupidity in with that of the arsonist-loving electorate. It has the same effect.
 
How does persecuting the kid, spoiled though he may be, mitigate the fire or other danger brought by the arsonist?
IT DOESN’T.
Ah, there's the root of the trouble. After all this, it was just a common spelling error. Charging someone for committing crimes that they actually committed is prosecution, not persecution.
 
How does persecuting the kid, spoiled though he may be, mitigate the fire or other danger brought by the arsonist?
IT DOESN’T.
Ah, there's the root of the trouble. After all this, it was just a common spelling error. Charging someone for committing crimes that they actually committed is prosecution, not persecution.
Nope.
In this case it's both.

The more important one is the persecution. Hunter was targeted because President Biden was squeaky clean. Targeted by criminals such as Trump and Co.

If anyone, related or not, had been similarly targeted by the criminals I would want President Biden to do what he could to prevent future persecution.
Tom
 
How does persecuting the kid, spoiled though he may be, mitigate the fire or other danger brought by the arsonist?
IT DOESN’T.
Ah, there's the root of the trouble. After all this, it was just a common spelling error. Charging someone for committing crimes that they actually committed is prosecution, not persecution.
Thanks for the attempt at refinement of my lexicon. Now...
How does persecuting prosecuting* the kid, spoiled though he may be, mitigate the fire or other danger brought by the arsonist?
Your inability to address the question is rather revealing. You think letting him go is a bad idea because it doesn't mitigate the fire danger. But letting the arsonist go - well, that's bad too, but it's not what we are talking about???!!!
Hypocrisy.

* He is in fact being persecuted:
verb
  1. subject (someone) to hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of their ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation or their political beliefs.
So argue your case with the dictionary people, @Politesse..


Hunter was targeted because President Biden was squeaky clean.
Exactly right, Tom. And that is a big part of what Poli is desperate to NOT recognize.
 
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How does persecuting prosecuting* the kid, spoiled though he may be, mitigate the fire or other danger brought by the arsonist?
It doesn't. The two things aren't even connected. You're the one with the bullshit analogy, don't ask me to try and make sense of it.

You think letting him go is a bad idea because it doesn't mitigate the fire danger.
No, I think it's a bad idea because it is nepotistic to use the pardon to excuse a family member from the crimes they committed, and encourages a culture of politically expedient pardons that shields the upper classes from prosecution for any crime, while the poor get sucked into an endless cycle of industrialized incarceration and unpaid labor. And it does fan the flames of anti-Democrat sentiment, as it does every time - which is quite often - that they reveal themselves to be different from the Republicans primarily in terms of scale rather than type of corruption and grift.
 
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