Bidengate Breaks... err... down

[Shadowy Man]

These Hunter alarmists are a rapture-like cult!

 

[Ford]

Meth fiend Hunter Biden starting to get some heat for his reckless behavior;

Federal prosecutors have indicted Hunter Biden, the son of President Joe Biden, on gun charges, court documents show. Biden was indicted Thursday in federal court in Delaware on three counts tied to possession of a gun while using narcotics. Two counts accuse Biden of having completed a form indicating he was not using illegal drugs when he bought a Colt Cobra revolver in October 2018. The third count alleges he possessed a firearm while using a narcotic. The indictment says Biden certified on a federally mandated form "that he was not an unlawful user of, and addicted to, any stimulant, narcotic drug, and any other controlled substance, when in fact, as he knew, that statement was false and fictitious.”

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Smartest guy Joe knows!!

I've seen plenty of photos of Don Jr with guns and I've seen plenty of videos of Don Jr stoned out of his melon.

And IIRC, Hunter was not a "meth fiend" at all, but rather a fan of the snort sport that Don Jr. apparently enjoys. Allegedly.

And if we're going to get picky (and I am), the pro-gun lobby is "laser-focused" on "mental health" when it comes to who shouldn't own a firearm (spoiler alert...they're not). Drugs? Eh...let's just say that they're not too terribly concerned with rich white political offspring using drugs so much as they're concerned with "inner city" folks selling them.

Messed up kid shoots up a school? "We need to do something about the mental health crisis in this country!" (while doing not a goddamned thing about it)

Black kid gets killed in a drive by? "We need to do something about violent inner city thugs!" (take their guns)

Oh who am I kidding? They don't care about the black kid gunned down in a drive by!

Hunter has a little white powder in his nasal passages? "We need to impeach his dad...stat!"

 

[Copernicus]

It's refreshing to see how even-handed and fair Merrick Garland was being when he kept on Trump-appointed prosecutor David Weiss to finish his investigation. And then, when Republicans couldn't stop whining about how unfair Weiss was being treated, Garland up and made David Weiss a full-fledged special counsel to get to the bottom of Hunter Biden's tax cheating, possessing a weapon while taking drugs, and being Joe Biden's son.

So here we are with justice in action. Hunter Biden faces three felony counts and up to 25 years in prison for illegally checking a box in order to get a gun that he kept for all of 11 days. Democrats are carping about it being three felonies for the exact same gun purchased with the exact same lie on the exact same form, but these are three separate serious crimes. What if Hunter Biden had actually fired the gun or kept it for a full two weeks? What then? No, this will stand as a deterrent to future Democratic relatives of Democratic presidents to engaging in such heinous criminal behavior. It's true that he might have gotten off more lightly with a different father, but he knew who his father was when he committed the crimes.

Besides the prison sentence, Hunter Biden will be found impeachable by the House, even if Democrats in the Senate won't vote to convict him. He'll still be free to run for office, using his father's name, but that will be on Democrats. Republicans would never allow it, if they controlled the Senate.

 

[Shadowy Man]

I’m sure that continuing to back Trump will help them win back the Senate.

 

[lpetrich]

Where are the Second Amendment fundamentalists?

They seem curiously silent about what they would normally consider a bureaucratic obstruction.

 

[TSwizzle]

And IIRC, Hunter was not a "meth fiend" at all, but rather a fan of the snort sport that Don Jr. apparently enjoys.

There is a picture Hunter took of himself in a dentist’s chair showing his “meth teeth” just before he was about to get veneers fitted. Coke fiend, meth fiend whatever. He’s the sort of guy that would normally be getting labeled “trailer trash”.

Allegedly.

As far as Hunter goes there is no allegedly about it. The dumbass actually documented he was out of his face on drugs when he lied on the form to buy the gun.

Yeah, this is the smartest guy Brandon knows.

 

[scombrid]

Fuckers down here show up to speak at state commission meetings wearing shorts that say “We The People are PISSED OFF” and “Fuck FWCC”. Then they take their speaking time to opine about various conspiracy theories (such as believing that FWCC is partnered with CCP chemical companies). Keep in mind that FWCC is an executive agency in DeSantis’ Florida. Then they threaten violence against agency employees for taking away their freedom.

Look them up and they’ve got criminal records a mile long for all manner of drug violations. My favorite did federal time for trafficking meth, coke, heroine, pills. My second favorite did federal time for straw buying guns to sell to the cartels. These guys want the government to let them carry guns. But they think Hunter should be charged for his guns and coke. Thing is, a lot of the white nationalist types LOVE their amphetamines.

 

[TomC]

Yeah, this is the smartest guy Brandon knows.

I'd vote for Hunter Biden before I'd vote for Trump or DeSantis because the smartest guy he knows is his dad.
Tom

 

[Patooka]

Yeah, this is the smartest guy Brandon knows.

I'd vote for Hunter Biden before I'd vote for Trump or DeSantis because the smartest guy he knows is his dad.
Tom

To be fair, the smartest guy Don Jnr knows is his dad also. That sort of statement is only sound with the right context.

 

[Copernicus]

As far as Hunter goes there is no allegedly about it. The dumbass actually documented he was out of his face on drugs when he lied on the form to buy the gun.

At least he is not as much of a dumbass as the Second Amendment fundamentalist dumbasses who want to make it legal for drug addicts to buy and possess guns. And now their rightwing stupidity is actually considered part of Hunter Biden's defense against the charges, if they don't get tossed on other grounds.

 

[TomC]

To be fair, the smartest guy Don Jnr knows is his dad also. That sort of statement is only sound with the right context.

I should have been more clear about what I meant by smartest in that context.

Hunter's dad is a good leader, administrator, and representative of the American people and their best interests.

Don Jr probably knows people like that, but certainly not his father.
Tom

 

[Toni]

The only reason Hunter Biden with no experience and a drug history got a position on a Ukrainian enery company board was to curry political influence with his father.

No shit. Now demonstrate that Burisma didn't waste their fucking money getting taken for a ride.

They got prosecutor fired by Bidenopolis, did not they?

The chronology doesn't add up. Hunter wasn't working for Burisma when the prosecutor got investigated.

10 minutes of pure nonsense.
"Reopening" means nothing. It's just words. Shokin said - the other guy said.
Timeline my ass. Fucking piece of shit (Biden) could have asked new prosecutor to make it look like it was reopened, so uit does not look suspicious. But only to be closed again.

Fucking inbred american idiots.

Inbred? As a people, we’re pretty diverse. I have the blood of people from at least half a dozen different extant nations in my veins; my kids a few more. We tend to interbreed quite readily.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

As far as Hunter goes there is no allegedly about it. The dumbass actually documented he was out of his face on drugs when he lied on the form to buy the gun.

At least he is not as much of a dumbass as the Second Amendment fundamentalist dumbasses who want to make it legal for drug addicts to buy and possess guns. And now their rightwing stupidity is actually considered part of Hunter Biden's defense against the charges, if they don't get tossed on other grounds.

The thing is "drug user" and "drug addict" aren't the same thing. Any more than someone who drinks doesn't get denied guns.

 

[Copernicus]

As far as Hunter goes there is no allegedly about it. The dumbass actually documented he was out of his face on drugs when he lied on the form to buy the gun.

At least he is not as much of a dumbass as the Second Amendment fundamentalist dumbasses who want to make it legal for drug addicts to buy and possess guns. And now their rightwing stupidity is actually considered part of Hunter Biden's defense against the charges, if they don't get tossed on other grounds.

The thing is "drug user" and "drug addict" aren't the same thing. Any more than someone who drinks doesn't get denied guns.

Those may not be the same thing, but I don't think there is any good way to test the theory. In any case, the Second Amendment has only been treated as an individual, rather than collective right, since the 5-4 Heller ruling. The majority now would be larger, for obvious reasons. It's just ironic that Hunter Biden might join with the second amendment fundamentalists in his defense at the same time that second amendment fundamentalists are loudly saying nothing in his defense.

 

[Ford]

As far as Hunter goes there is no allegedly about it. The dumbass actually documented he was out of his face on drugs when he lied on the form to buy the gun.

At least he is not as much of a dumbass as the Second Amendment fundamentalist dumbasses who want to make it legal for drug addicts to buy and possess guns. And now their rightwing stupidity is actually considered part of Hunter Biden's defense against the charges, if they don't get tossed on other grounds.

The thing is "drug user" and "drug addict" aren't the same thing.

And if you asked my friend Tony (a gun owner) if he was a drug addict, he'd say yes, tell you what drugs he's addicted to and how many years he's been sober...more than 30, IIRC. Hell, there was a time when I got high every day back in the late 80s, but I haven't indulged in the wacky tobacco since 1992. Guess I shouldn't try to buy a gun?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

As far as Hunter goes there is no allegedly about it. The dumbass actually documented he was out of his face on drugs when he lied on the form to buy the gun.

At least he is not as much of a dumbass as the Second Amendment fundamentalist dumbasses who want to make it legal for drug addicts to buy and possess guns. And now their rightwing stupidity is actually considered part of Hunter Biden's defense against the charges, if they don't get tossed on other grounds.

The thing is "drug user" and "drug addict" aren't the same thing. Any more than someone who drinks doesn't get denied guns.

Those may not be the same thing, but I don't think there is any good way to test the theory. In any case, the Second Amendment has only been treated as an individual, rather than collective right, since the 5-4 Heller ruling. The majority now would be larger, for obvious reasons. It's just ironic that Hunter Biden might join with the second amendment fundamentalists in his defense at the same time that second amendment fundamentalists are loudly saying nothing in his defense.

Then ban guns for anyone who consumes alcohol. It's the one that's most dangerous for having a gun.

The issue with drugs and guns is far more knee-jerk than actually justified by the situation. You're impaired, you shouldn't have a gun at that time. Doesn't matter what's impairing you. Impairment need not be permanent. In the end my father certainly was in a sense addicted, but because it was legal stuff from the oncologist it wouldn't matter in the eyes of the law. Heroin is basically just two morphine molecules stuck together and is rapidly metabolized to morphine--why is it treated differently if it comes from the doctor or the street?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

As far as Hunter goes there is no allegedly about it. The dumbass actually documented he was out of his face on drugs when he lied on the form to buy the gun.

At least he is not as much of a dumbass as the Second Amendment fundamentalist dumbasses who want to make it legal for drug addicts to buy and possess guns. And now their rightwing stupidity is actually considered part of Hunter Biden's defense against the charges, if they don't get tossed on other grounds.

The thing is "drug user" and "drug addict" aren't the same thing.

And if you asked my friend Tony (a gun owner) if he was a drug addict, he'd say yes, tell you what drugs he's addicted to and how many years he's been sober...more than 30, IIRC. Hell, there was a time when I got high every day back in the late 80s, but I haven't indulged in the wacky tobacco since 1992. Guess I shouldn't try to buy a gun?

Are you still considered addicted if you're sober?

 

[Patooka]

Are you still considered addicted if you're sober?

Yep. Very much so. It's a part of recovery.

 

[Ford]

Are you still considered addicted if you're sober?

Yep. Very much so. It's a part of recovery.

There was an "old timer" who got up at a meeting I went to. He hadn't had a drop in 30 years. Yet he introduced himself with "my name is (fill in the blank) and I'm an alcoholic." I have some thoughts about that (to put it mildly) but I haven't met a lot of folks in recovery who would describe themselves as a "former" addict. I suspect that Hunter is somewhere along that path. Probably sober for some time, but never "cured" of his addiction. He's sober...for now.

 

[Copernicus]

...
Those may not be the same thing, but I don't think there is any good way to test the theory. In any case, the Second Amendment has only been treated as an individual, rather than collective right, since the 5-4 Heller ruling. The majority now would be larger, for obvious reasons. It's just ironic that Hunter Biden might join with the second amendment fundamentalists in his defense at the same time that second amendment fundamentalists are loudly saying nothing in his defense.

Then ban guns for anyone who consumes alcohol. It's the one that's most dangerous for having a gun.

Who said anything about banning guns? Why do these discussions always go to gun bans, which is not even relevant to my post? The point I made was about the Second Amendment guaranteeing gun ownership as an individual, as opposed to, collective right. And I was only pointing out the irony of having those who see it as an absolute right to individual ownership turning a blind eye to the issue when the individual gun owner is the son of a Democratic president.

The issue with drugs and guns is far more knee-jerk than actually justified by the situation. You're impaired, you shouldn't have a gun at that time. Doesn't matter what's impairing you. Impairment need not be permanent. In the end my father certainly was in a sense addicted, but because it was legal stuff from the oncologist it wouldn't matter in the eyes of the law. Heroin is basically just two morphine molecules stuck together and is rapidly metabolized to morphine--why is it treated differently if it comes from the doctor or the street?

I don't think that all addictive drugs can be practically regulated in the same way, but the government certainly ought to be able to deprive individuals from owning guns if they are seen to pose a risk to public safety. Right now, the debate in the US is over whether the government even has the right to do that. I don't see the Second Amendment as depriving the government of the right to do that, but many, if not most Americans, do. It's just plain nuts, especially given the specific wording of the amendment. And the Supreme Court majority right now seems to be among the nuts wanting to use the Second Amendment towards that end.