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Construction Site Owner in Ahmaud Arbery Case Dismantles Killers' Defense | NowThis - YouTube
The man who owns the construction site that Ahmaud Arbery entered is dismantling his killers’ defense — and getting death threats for it.

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In US news and current events today, the owner of the house Ahmaud Arbery entered wants nothing to do with the alleged killers’ defense. The two men who allegedly shot and killed Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia say they thought he was the culprit of a recent string of robberies in the area. Surveillance footage of the site appears to show Ahmaud Arbery entering, looking around briefly, and leaving without taking anything.

Now Larry English, the owner of the construction site, has received death threats since Gregory and Travis McMichael were arrested and charged with murder in the Ahmaud Arbery case.

Armed Black Citizens Escort Protesters to Ahmaud Arbery Memorial | NowThis - YouTube
Meet the armed Black citizens protecting protesters seeking justice for Ahmaud Arbery.

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In US news and current events today, armed Black citizens helped escort Ahmaud Arbery protesters through the Georgia neighborhood where he was killed. On May 9, a day after Ahmaud Arbery’s 26th birthday, men and women identified as members of the Black Panther Party gathered with other supporters through the Georgia neighborhood where Ahmaud Arbery was shot and killed.

The Black Panther group escorted demonstrators to the memorial sight where Ahmaud Arbery was shot and killed after being pursued by father and son George and Travis McMichael.
Right-wingers will likely become very distraught at the sight of this.
 
Tell that to Michael Donald:

The same night as the first mistrial was declared, Klan members burned a three-foot cross on the Mobile County courthouse lawn. After a meeting, Bennie Hays' son, Henry Hays (age 26), and James Llewellyn "Tiger" Knowles (age 17), armed with a gun and rope, drove around Mobile looking for a black person to attack.

At random, they spotted Michael Donald while he was walking home after buying his sister a pack of cigarettes. They lured him over to their car by asking him for directions to a local club, and then forced Donald into the car at gunpoint. The men then drove out to another county and took him to a secluded area in the woods. At this moment, Donald attempted to escape, knocking away Hays' gun and trying to run into the woods. The men pursued Donald, attacked him and beat him with a tree limb. Hays wrapped a rope around Donald's neck and pulled on it to strangle him while Knowles continued to beat Donald with a tree branch. Once Donald had stopped moving, Hays slit his throat three times to make sure he was dead. The men left Donald's body hanging from a tree in a mixed-race neighborhood in Mobile. The tree was on Herndon Street, across from a house owned by Klan leader Bennie Jack Hays, the father of Henry Hays.

Lest anyone think that was something from the 1930's it was from 1981. I was in Junior High School. That same year, Raiders of the Lost Ark came out and Jessie's Girl dominated the airwaves.

And even if you're too young to remember the 1980s, you might still remember the lynching of James Byrd Jr.. in the late 1990s.
 
It very clearly does say that. English literally states that nothing was stolen on any of the instances. So, no burglaries.

As has already been pointed out, theft is not a requirement for burglary. And "not listed as burglaries" is not equal to "there were no burglaries." Basic logic.

The report is unclear about who gave that description, but it reads like English gave it.

Actually, the police officer makes it clear that it is Travis that also identifies the same man:

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The officer is responding to Travis' call, after all, not English's, so the officer would be extremely incompetent if he had reported materially different information from what the actual witness he was dispatched to get a statement from had provided.

"The unknown male appears to be [description]..." and then, "On this date the witness Travis McMichael, stated the unknown male was wearing..."

The report literally says he talked to English this time and talked to him before. And the very first paragraph is where the description is given, and it only mentions English. You blatantly snipped out that part. He doesn't mention Travis until after that.

2/11 report said:
On 02/11/2020 at 1927hours I responded to 220 Satilla Drive in reference to an unknown black male trespassing within the construction site of a new home being built on said property. Property owner Larry English, has had an on-going issue with an unknown black male continually trespassing upon the property. English actually lives in Douglas, GA but has security cameras that alert him when the incidents occur. The unknown male appears to be a lighter skinned black male, slender build, approx 5,10"-6' tall, both arms looked to be covered in tattoos. Male has 3-4" twist/dreads hair style.

Clearly the police officer is referring to the same "unknown male" or else he should be fired for gross incompetence, because he'd be making a report of Travis' eyewitness account that made reference to two entirely different suspects.

Yes, it's talking about the same person, DUH. But the information comes from two people.

And Travis said during his 911 call that he could not describe the man he saw other than he was tall, about 6 ft.

Also incorrect.

Your link provides a helpful transcript. Thank you.

Transcript said:
So you say he was a black male. Did he have hair on his head? Any other features you can tell me about?

I couldn’t tell. He just looked like short-haired.

Was he tall, short?

Yeah he was tall about 6 foot. There’s neighbors, I guess one of the other neighbors saw it. There’s about four of us over here now.

So besides saying that he's 6 ft, he also says he's short haired. You got me, there was one other thing he described.

But he did not mention light skin nor tattoos, did he? You know, the point we're talking about. Did you forget already? He didn't even mention dreads when describing the hair.

So, the the description " lighter skinned black male, slender build, approx 5,10"-6' tall, both arms looked to be covered in tattoos. Male has 3-4" twist/dreads hair style" likely came from English.

Nearly everything you said here is unsubstantiated.

Actually, it is substantiated by the evidence I've presented. Do you not know what "substantiated" means?

I'm not the one with the reading problem here.

We have no idea if Gregory had any memory or thought of his prior contact with Arbery at this later date.

The evidence suggests other.

Well present it then, because you haven't yet SUBSTANTIATED that claim. And in fact this article says,

AJC said:
McMichael, who retired from the DA’s office in April 2019, made no mention of his work on that investigation to police, though it’s unknown whether he remembered it at the time.

And whether Travis got a good enough look at the man on 2/11 to distinguish him on 2/23 is doubtful.

Again, the evidence suggest other. This is from his 2/11 Feb call. Note that the guy Travis is calling about is still in his line of sight while he's on the call to 911:

That's just rampant speculation. You have no idea the lighting conditions or how well he was in view. Plus, we already know he could say nothing more about him than his height and hair length. Travis's own words are against you.

it's also against you that Gregory said he recognized Arbery as the guy from the prior break-ins.

Police Report said:
McMichael stated he was in his front yard and saw the suspect from the break-ins "hauling ass" down Satilla Drive toward Burford Drive. McMichael stated he then ran inside his house and called to Travis (McMichael) and said, "Travis the guy is running down the street lets go".

I guess he doesn’t realize we’re here. He’s got the damn lights on right now he’s got a flashlight walking through the house.

Does he? OK. You just stay where you’re at...
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So what happened when you first saw him?

He [indaud] behind a bush. He was coming through somebody’s yard. He was trying to sneak behind a bush. When I drove on by, he got behind a port... they have here. When I backed up he looked at me. I went ahead and backed up to the road. And he reached in his pocket. I kinda watched him. he went back in the house. And then stepped back out and went into the house. That’s when I called y’all. But we’ve been having a lot of burglaries and break-ins around here lately, and I had a pistol stolen Jan. 1 actually and he, he, I’ve never seen this guy before in the neighborhood. We always keep and eye and you know sure enough there’s one or [inaud] through the yards you know.

So he evidently had plenty of time and clear line of sight to distinguish him. And, again, there is the police report and how it noted that the description had been widely circulated; a fact that McMichaels confirms by stating there had been a "lot" of break-ins. We know that the ONLY break-ins were at English's home and Travis' truck.

So he could only be referring to the English surveillance footage and the description provided, which, again, the police officer confirms.

Yet, Gregory would have had whatever description was shared and was not able to distinguish him as not the guy from prior break-ins.

Which means they had absolutely no justification to pursue, let alone be armed, let alone kill him.

I don't believe they had the right to kill Arbery, but that has nothing to do with whether or not Arbery ever trespassed on the property before.

And that has nothing to do with what I said. Trespassing is not cause for civilians to arm themselves and pursue, let alone threaten with a shotgun, let alone fire the shotgun repeatedly.

If it's ever proven Arbery was ever there before trying to steal stuff, what will you say then?

That it's irrelevant unless the McMicheals actually witnessed him in the act of stealing something and that's why he ran and they pursued, but even then they should not have pursued, let alone armed themselves and then pursued.

If you don't think it matters, then what is your point in making your bad arguments that there were never any burglaries?
 
It most certainly is, aside from the fact that he's innocent until proven guilty. If your "purpose"--as Loren put it--is to steal something and that is why you are trespassing allegedly on multiple occasions and the home owner confirms that there was in fact shit to steal, then you steal something.

Not if he found nothing he wanted to steal or otherwise for any number of reasons decided not to do so then.


Piercing counter argument.

Thank you, it is. Do you have anything to counter it?

This is such a basic, babyish logic fail.

We won't hold it against you.

Why do you so often make such absolute statements that are in no way supported by the evidence?

Why haven't you stopped beating your wife?

Why are you like this?

Right back at you.

Guess not.
 
Tell that to Michael Donald:

The same night as the first mistrial was declared, Klan members burned a three-foot cross on the Mobile County courthouse lawn. After a meeting, Bennie Hays' son, Henry Hays (age 26), and James Llewellyn "Tiger" Knowles (age 17), armed with a gun and rope, drove around Mobile looking for a black person to attack.

At random, they spotted Michael Donald while he was walking home after buying his sister a pack of cigarettes. They lured him over to their car by asking him for directions to a local club, and then forced Donald into the car at gunpoint. The men then drove out to another county and took him to a secluded area in the woods. At this moment, Donald attempted to escape, knocking away Hays' gun and trying to run into the woods. The men pursued Donald, attacked him and beat him with a tree limb. Hays wrapped a rope around Donald's neck and pulled on it to strangle him while Knowles continued to beat Donald with a tree branch. Once Donald had stopped moving, Hays slit his throat three times to make sure he was dead. The men left Donald's body hanging from a tree in a mixed-race neighborhood in Mobile. The tree was on Herndon Street, across from a house owned by Klan leader Bennie Jack Hays, the father of Henry Hays.

Lest anyone think that was something from the 1930's it was from 1981. I was in Junior High School. That same year, Raiders of the Lost Ark came out and Jessie's Girl dominated the airwaves.

And even if you're too young to remember the 1980s, you might still remember the lynching of James Byrd Jr.. in the late 1990s.
I find it more than a bit disturbing for white men to argue that black folk really have nothing to fear or worry about now.

For some reason, the experiences and feeling of blacks in America are discounted as irrational or wrong but the experiences of white people and their feelings are valid.

There are plenty of black people who feel unsafe in the USA. Whether their feelings are "valid" or "irrational" is really beside the point that something(s) are causing those feelings and views.
 
Actually, the home owner believes that Arbery was stopping to get water--there are two water sources on the property and Arbery can be seen moving between them and you can hear the sound of water on the tapes. Which would make sense: Someone going for a run in the afternoon in GA would probably want to stop for some water if he knew there was some handy:

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/arti...-site/77-e60149c3-db0b-4318-83a8-c9b44c32558c

That headline is wrong. The homeowner Larry English has said he doesn't think Arbery is in the earlier videos. He has said, through his lawyer, that in one video the person may have been drinking water there.
 
Actually, the home owner believes that Arbery was stopping to get water--there are two water sources on the property and Arbery can be seen moving between them and you can hear the sound of water on the tapes. Which would make sense: Someone going for a run in the afternoon in GA would probably want to stop for some water if he knew there was some handy:

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/arti...-site/77-e60149c3-db0b-4318-83a8-c9b44c32558c

That headline is wrong. The homeowner Larry English has said he doesn't think Arbery is in the earlier videos. He has said, through his lawyer, that in one video the person may have been drinking water there.
The headline accurately reflects what is reported in the video. If you watch the video in the link, the reporter says the homeowner thinks Arbery was just getting a drink of water. So either the reporter misspoke or you have outdated information.
 
The reporter is wrong, he's making assumptions.

On a December 17, 2019 surveillance clip, a young man is seen walking through the vacant home.

February 11, 2020, the same man appeared to be walking through the vacant construction home again.

“The individual depicted appears to be the same young man captured on video inside the house on February 11. It now appears that this young man may have been coming onto the property for water,” Graddy wrote in a statement to CBS46.

She explained that there is a water source at a dock that is behind the house and another water source near the front of the home.

“In one angle from December 17, he appears to wipe his mouth and/or neck. In the last footage of him captured on December 17, what sounds like water can be heard. He walks out of the house, eases into a jog, and disappears from view,” Graddy wrote.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/...ideo-raises-new-questions-in-arbery-shooting/
 
I find it more than a bit disturbing for white men to argue that black folk really have nothing to fear or worry about now.

I find it mere than a bit disturbing that you hold to the racist notion that white people should not express our opinions because of the color of our skins.

And the facts are pretty clear: "black folk" have little to fear from white people both compared to the danger they face from their own skinfolk as well as compared to the danger white people face from "blac folk".

For some reason, the experiences and feeling of blacks in America are discounted as irrational or wrong but the experiences of white people and their feelings are valid.

If a feeling or perceived experience is contrary to the facts, then it is the right course of action to discount it.

There are plenty of black people who feel unsafe in the USA.
If they feel unsafe because they fear being killed by white people, then that's a pretty irrational fear as very few black people get killed by us "white folk".

Whether their feelings are "valid" or "irrational" is really beside the point that something(s) are causing those feelings and views.
In the reality-based community validity and rationality matters a great deal. It is definitely not "beside the point".
 
And even if you're too young to remember the 1980s, you might still remember the lynching of James Byrd Jr.. in the late 1990s.

Anecdotes from more than 20 years ago do not change the fact that twice as many black people kill white people as vice versa.
Seriously, we can exchange anecdotes all day long.

For example, the murders of Heather Graham and Morgan Harrington by Jesse Matthew are much more recent, but do not fit the racist narrative (bordering on a type of blood libel) that black people are being hunted by white people on a regular basis.
 
Sorry I am not buying "blacks are afraid of lynching" If anything it's opposite now. Larry English is afraid of lynching or something of the sort.

Make sense. The "Black Lives Matter" rioters in Ferguson vandalized and looted the store their hero Michael Brown robbed before his death.
It is dangerous to be a victim of somebody supported by #BLM.
 
I find it mere than a bit disturbing that you hold to the racist notion that white people should not express our opinions because of the color of our skins.
When you start off with such a blatantly stupid straw man, it is hard to take your posts seriously. I am more than disturbed when people of any race express overtly stupid and/or racist opinions.
And the facts are pretty clear: "black folk" have little to fear from white people both compared to the danger they face from their own skinfolk as well as compared to the danger white people face from "blac folk".
That is your opinion which you are entitled to hold and promote.

If a feeling or perceived experience is contrary to the facts, then it is the right course of action to discount it.
Which is why most people discount your posts.
 
Sorry I am not buying "blacks are afraid of lynching" If anything it's opposite now. Larry English is afraid of lynching or something of the sort.

Make sense. The "Black Lives Matter" rioters in Ferguson vandalized and looted the store their hero Michael Brown robbed before his death.
It is dangerous to be a victim of somebody supported by #BLM.

Disagree--there were two groups. The daytime BLM protesters who were mostly peaceful and the nighttime groups that were taking advantage of the situation and were nothing like peaceful.
 
When you start off with such a blatantly stupid straw man,

Wrong. It follows directly from your racist notion that white people should not speak their mind.
I can see how you end up with ablatantly stupid straw man when your premise is a blatantly stupid straw man. I never wrote or said anyone should not speak their mind. You are free to embarrass yourself with these stupid straw men of yours.

Because their feelings are contrary to facts? I agree!
As usual, you draw the wrong conclusion.
 
Sorry I am not buying "blacks are afraid of lynching" If anything it's opposite now. Larry English is afraid of lynching or something of the sort.

Make sense. The "Black Lives Matter" rioters in Ferguson vandalized and looted the store their hero Michael Brown robbed before his death.
It is dangerous to be a victim of somebody supported by #BLM.

Disagree--there were two groups. The daytime BLM protesters who were mostly peaceful and the nighttime groups that were taking advantage of the situation and were nothing like peaceful.

Are you referring to the residents of Ferguson holding peaceful protests vs. the heavily armed vigilantes from out of town? Because the vigilantes were out in the daytime, too.
 
And even if you're too young to remember the 1980s, you might still remember the lynching of James Byrd Jr.. in the late 1990s.

Anecdotes from more than 20 years ago do not change the fact that twice as many black people kill white people as vice versa.
Seriously, we can exchange anecdotes all day long.

For example, the murders of Heather Graham and Morgan Harrington by Jesse Matthew are much more recent, but do not fit the racist narrative (bordering on a type of blood libel) that black people are being hunted by white people on a regular basis.

Did your seriously just compare the observation that racism against black people som exists and may be a contributing factor in some murders with blood libel?

All hope is lost.
 
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