Breakdown In Civil Order

[Rhea]

Wow. Your description is brutal.
I’m not intrested in watching the man die, so I’ll go on your description. It sounds so brutally NOT like self defense.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Golly, this was rough. I would somewhat lean to overkill.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/...spect-inside-sw-houston-taco-shop-police-say/

Incompetent, but still dangerous, armed robber in a Houston restaurant is killed by a mag-dump (9 bullets) from a customer. Was the customer former military, police or cartel?

Would it be a very good or very bad idea to show all people on trial or convicted of armed robbery this type of video?

Either scared straight or scared into shooting first and getting the money later.

The video doesn't actually show the shooting so it's not apparent how fast the guy went down. The various authorities who have seen the video don't seem to have a problem with it so I doubt it's a case of pouring rounds into a body on the ground. Looking at what we see before the video freezes his rounds aren't going into any spot that will cause an instant stop.

Well, I saw the whole video on the Kiwifarms thread "Post Videos of People Dying". Not sure where else to find it, but it should be readily accessible on any news website a after a clear warning that you will see a death.

It was four shots in a row and the robber was basically down for the count. Slight pause before shots 5, 6, 7 and 8 (say 1.5 times longer between these shots than shots 1-4).
Then he bends down grabs the gun and AFTER that fires shot 9 in the robber's head or upper chest.


Are you gonna be above it all and NOT watch the video and still pontificate about it? That would be blowhard central, my dude.

I have a big problem with the shooter given the details that have come out. That's murder, not self defense. The original videos didn't show the shooting itself.

 

[repoman]

Oh man, he poured his drink on the dead guy on the way out... That does not look good at all.

 

[Derec]

Oh man, he poured his drink on the dead guy on the way out... That does not look good at all.

At least he did not teabag him on the way out ...

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

A guy harrased my girlfriend. I went to his apartment with a knife up my sleve.

I carried one in my boot. When I was 11. Hitchhiking.

 

[atrib]

Then he bends down grabs the gun and AFTER that fires shot 9 in the robber's head or upper chest.

That sounds like murder to me. While he might have been justified in shooting the robber if he had a gun pointed at him, shooting him again when he was down and his weapon removed is way too much. Time for a grand jury. But then again, this is Texas, so who knows if the DA has the stomach for what is likely to turn out an unpopular prosecution.

He also walked away from a crime scene. There's probably a law about that.

 

[ZiprHead]

I carry this with me all the time.

 

[ZiprHead]

Abby Zwerner: Six-year-old who shot his teacher used mother's gun

Abby Zwerner, 25, made sure students were safe even after she was shot, police chief said.

www.bbc.com

A six-year-old child used his mother's legally purchased handgun to shoot his teacher at a US school, police said.
In a news conference on Monday, police in Virginia said the child brought the pistol to school in his backpack.
The child intentionally shot his teacher, Abigail 'Abby' Zwerner, during class on Friday. Police said she managed to escort her students to safety before calling for help for herself.
Ms Zwerner, 25, remains in hospital in a stable condition.
Police in Newport News, a city of 180,000 people north-west of Virginia Beach, said they spoke with the teacher earlier on Monday.

 

[repoman]

presented without commentary, except to say the sprayer was not from Barbarossa Lounge.

 

[Oleg]

presented without commentary, except to say the sprayer was not from Barbarossa Lounge.

Let's congratulate the people of SF. They're getting what they voted for. So lucky.

 

[repoman]

As terrible as this story is, this is top notch television coverage.

 

[steve_bank]

Yesterday three 14 year olds and one 12 year old in the area led police on a chase after an armed car jacking.

Anybody think this is nothing new and not reflective of a cultural issue?

 

[bilby]

Yesterday three 14 year olds and one 12 year old in the area led police on a chase after an armed car jacking.

Anybody think this is nothing new and not reflective of a cultural issue?

It was certainly very popular in Leeds in the 1980s.

Children as young as twelve stealing cars (usually in groups) and deliberately baiting police into high speed chases was a very common occurrence.

Anybody think they have a short memory, or a rosy view of the past that's distorting their perceptions?

 

[Oleg]

Yesterday three 14 year olds and one 12 year old in the area led police on a chase after an armed car jacking.

Anybody think this is nothing new and not reflective of a cultural issue?

Eh, Washington state has pretty much made it legal to steal a car and drive off. Cops can't chase unless there's probable cause of a felony, or such. Add in that these were minors, and it's a pat on the wrist. Tsk, tsk. For equity!

 

[steve_bank]

Yesterday three 14 year olds and one 12 year old in the area led police on a chase after an armed car jacking.

Anybody think this is nothing new and not reflective of a cultural issue?

Eh, Washington state has pretty much made it legal to steal a car and drive off. Cops can't chase unless there's probable cause of a felony, or such. Add in that these were minors, and it's a pat on the wrist. Tsk, tsk. For equity!

Exactly.

I recently heard the term in local news 'toxic altruism'. Progressivism carried to a harmful extreme, the flip side of extreme conservatism.

 

[Politesse]

Yesterday three 14 year olds and one 12 year old in the area led police on a chase after an armed car jacking.

Anybody think this is nothing new and not reflective of a cultural issue?

Eh, Washington state has pretty much made it legal to steal a car and drive off. Cops can't chase unless there's probable cause of a felony, or such. Add in that these were minors, and it's a pat on the wrist. Tsk, tsk. For equity!

Uh, no. The police chased, and arrested, the youths in question. Well, the three older ones anyway, the twelve year old kind of got turned in by the neighbors once they realized he was involved.

And theft of a motor vehicle is a class B felony in Washington, so your claim about the law is both wrong and makes no logical sense.

 

[Oleg]

And theft of a motor vehicle is a class B felony in Washington, so your claim about the law is both wrong and makes no logical sense.

See ya! Washington police say drivers aren’t stopping for them; cite pursuit restrictions

Since January of this year, more than 900 drivers have failed to stop for a Washington State Patrol trooper trying to pull them over. The patrol and other police agencies around the state say they’ve never seen such blatant disregard for their lights and sirens. The change in driver behavior...

www.opb.org

The Washington State Patrol (WSP) says drivers refusing to stop for troopers is an increasingly common occurrence. From January 1 to May 17 of this year, the agency logged 934 failure-to-yield incidents. While the patrol didn't track this in the past, veteran troopers say there’s been a dramatic uptick in drivers fleeing traffic stops.

Strachan and others in law enforcement connect the increase in failures-to-yield to passage last year of House Bill 1054, a sweeping police tactics law that, among other things, barred high-speed pursuits except in very limited circumstances. The law was part of a package of police reforms majority Democrats passed in response to the murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis and other high-profile police killings — reforms aimed at addressing racial disproportionality in policing.

 

[Politesse]

And theft of a motor vehicle is a class B felony in Washington, so your claim about the law is both wrong and makes no logical sense.

See ya! Washington police say drivers aren’t stopping for them; cite pursuit restrictions

Since January of this year, more than 900 drivers have failed to stop for a Washington State Patrol trooper trying to pull them over. The patrol and other police agencies around the state say they’ve never seen such blatant disregard for their lights and sirens. The change in driver behavior...

www.opb.org

The Washington State Patrol (WSP) says drivers refusing to stop for troopers is an increasingly common occurrence. From January 1 to May 17 of this year, the agency logged 934 failure-to-yield incidents. While the patrol didn't track this in the past, veteran troopers say there’s been a dramatic uptick in drivers fleeing traffic stops.

Strachan and others in law enforcement connect the increase in failures-to-yield to passage last year of House Bill 1054, a sweeping police tactics law that, among other things, barred high-speed pursuits except in very limited circumstances. The law was part of a package of police reforms majority Democrats passed in response to the murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis and other high-profile police killings — reforms aimed at addressing racial disproportionality in policing.

The law in question did not change the legal status of auto theft.

 

[Oleg]

And theft of a motor vehicle is a class B felony in Washington, so your claim about the law is both wrong and makes no logical sense.

See ya! Washington police say drivers aren’t stopping for them; cite pursuit restrictions

Since January of this year, more than 900 drivers have failed to stop for a Washington State Patrol trooper trying to pull them over. The patrol and other police agencies around the state say they’ve never seen such blatant disregard for their lights and sirens. The change in driver behavior...

www.opb.org

The Washington State Patrol (WSP) says drivers refusing to stop for troopers is an increasingly common occurrence. From January 1 to May 17 of this year, the agency logged 934 failure-to-yield incidents. While the patrol didn't track this in the past, veteran troopers say there’s been a dramatic uptick in drivers fleeing traffic stops.

Strachan and others in law enforcement connect the increase in failures-to-yield to passage last year of House Bill 1054, a sweeping police tactics law that, among other things, barred high-speed pursuits except in very limited circumstances. The law was part of a package of police reforms majority Democrats passed in response to the murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis and other high-profile police killings — reforms aimed at addressing racial disproportionality in policing.

The law in question did not change the legal status of auto theft.

But it incentivized fleeing the police. That's the point. You don't have to stop. The criminals are well aware of this.

 

[Politesse]

And theft of a motor vehicle is a class B felony in Washington, so your claim about the law is both wrong and makes no logical sense.

See ya! Washington police say drivers aren’t stopping for them; cite pursuit restrictions

Since January of this year, more than 900 drivers have failed to stop for a Washington State Patrol trooper trying to pull them over. The patrol and other police agencies around the state say they’ve never seen such blatant disregard for their lights and sirens. The change in driver behavior...

www.opb.org

The Washington State Patrol (WSP) says drivers refusing to stop for troopers is an increasingly common occurrence. From January 1 to May 17 of this year, the agency logged 934 failure-to-yield incidents. While the patrol didn't track this in the past, veteran troopers say there’s been a dramatic uptick in drivers fleeing traffic stops.

Strachan and others in law enforcement connect the increase in failures-to-yield to passage last year of House Bill 1054, a sweeping police tactics law that, among other things, barred high-speed pursuits except in very limited circumstances. The law was part of a package of police reforms majority Democrats passed in response to the murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis and other high-profile police killings — reforms aimed at addressing racial disproportionality in policing.

The law in question did not change the legal status of auto theft.

But it incentivized fleeing the police. That's the point. You don't have to stop. The criminals are well aware of this.

Whether that's true is up for debate. But whether or not it is true, your original statement was not accurate.