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bilby said:
Yeah, there was an argument about the suspect's sister, so clearly Islam is to blame. :rolleyesa: :hobbyhorse:
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Because Muslims are famous for their relaxed attitude when it comes to comments about their sisters.

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Derec said:
bilby said:
Yeah, there was an argument about the suspect's sister, so clearly Islam is to blame. :rolleyesa: :hobbyhorse:
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Because Muslims are famous for their relaxed attitude when it comes to comments about their sisters.
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Yeah, that's not even wrong.

If your underpants go missing, that's not likely to be because of underpants gnomes. Even though we all know how underpants gnomes feel about underpants.

You're not as stupid as you're pretending to be here; Why not stop and think?

Oh, sorry. The reason is obvious. :hobbyhorse:
 
Derec said:
Nima Momeni? Could it be sudden jihad syndrome? Sleeper agent for the IRGC?
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Such a quick pivot!

And equally as wrong as the original dumb ass conservative hypothesis about the murder, as of course two seconds of googling would have reveled that Momeni was not, in fact, Muslim. Though, I admit the difference between the Muslim and Zoroastrian faiths (entirely unrelated) is the sort of "subtle distinction" that conservatives are often way too fucking stupid to understand. Foreign is foreign, eh?
 
Derec said:
TV and credit cards said:
Where should the money be thrown?
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Can't speak for the Swizzler, but usually when we talk about "throwing money at x" it means that it is not enough just to spend money, but you also need a good strategy on how money is to be used to fix a problem.
Take US 2ndary education. Plenty of money is spent per student, and yet the results are lackluster.
Are you expecting homelessness to go away? They are human beings and they are a priority of where your tax dollars should go long before any consideration be given to making life easier for those who already have an easy life.
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But how to do it? Those who are homeless due to temporary economic hardship can be helped easily enough, but what about those who are homeless because of mental illness? And are resistant to treatment? That will not be solved simply by spending more money.
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There is a strategy in place. There is residential substance abuse treatment approved by MediCal, temporary bridge shelter for single adults with employment assistance, homeless outreach where staff go out and ask folks if they want to come in, fast rehousing for families that provides rental and deposit assistance and advocacy for landlord issues, hospice so folks don't have to die in the street like they're trash, help with court cases, home finder programs for the mentally ill, and general support services for help with everything you and I take for granted.
It's all there. This is where the money is spent. But it only happens in states that fund it. You can drive around southern California and see folks all wearing the same t-shirts, picking up trash on the side of the road and all the beautiful people drive by and coo. They're getting $13 dollars an hour to do that.
What the money does not do is make these people disappear from public view.
TSwizzle said:
To be fair, there has been some signs of improvement, the clearing of the Echo Park encampment for example. Although now that the fence has been removed, I would not be surprised to see another encampment getting established.
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Before we call it an improvement, do you have any idea where the homeless people went?
 
Chicago's new mayor is as clueless as the old mayor;

Chicago's mayor-elect said the city should not demonize the teens who organized a 'Teen Takeover' of the Loop over the weekend, even after the event turned violent with cars burnt cars and minors shot. Brandon Johnson, 47, said Sunday he does not 'condone the destructive activity' and that it's 'unacceptable and has no place' in Chicago, but that it should not be used as a way to vilify the group. 'However, it is not constructive to demonize youth who have otherwise been starved of opportunities in their own communities,' said Johnson, a progressive Democrat. Shocking footage showed some teenagers jumping on top of a bus while others started a massive brawl after descending on Millennium Park and attempting to breach barricades. Gunshots rang out with rounds striking two teenage boys aged 16 and 17 who were reported to be in stable condition as of Sunday. Cars were also left vandalized near East Washington Street in the Windy City. Despite the outrage over the violence and destruction, Johnson said he thinks the only path forward is to 'work together' to give kids safer spaces. The mayor-elect's response did not go over well on social media with hundreds calling him and others out for what they say is a city on the brink of ruin. 'Isn't that the whole point of having city parks and beaches....are these not meant to be the community spaces for our youth to gather safely?' replied one user on Twitter. 'Nowhere In This City Is Safe!!!!' said another. 'Apparently Chicago decided it hasn't yet hit rock bottom. Soon,' wrote one person. 'When they travel in packs so large, there is no fear of repercussion,' wrote another.
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Daily Mail
 
TSwizzle said:
Chicago's new mayor is as clueless as the old mayor;

Chicago's mayor-elect said the city should not demonize the teens who organized a 'Teen Takeover' of the Loop over the weekend, even after the event turned violent with cars burnt cars and minors shot. Brandon Johnson, 47, said Sunday he does not 'condone the destructive activity' and that it's 'unacceptable and has no place' in Chicago, but that it should not be used as a way to vilify the group. 'However, it is not constructive to demonize youth who have otherwise been starved of opportunities in their own communities,' said Johnson, a progressive Democrat. Shocking footage showed some teenagers jumping on top of a bus while others started a massive brawl after descending on Millennium Park and attempting to breach barricades. Gunshots rang out with rounds striking two teenage boys aged 16 and 17 who were reported to be in stable condition as of Sunday. Cars were also left vandalized near East Washington Street in the Windy City. Despite the outrage over the violence and destruction, Johnson said he thinks the only path forward is to 'work together' to give kids safer spaces. The mayor-elect's response did not go over well on social media with hundreds calling him and others out for what they say is a city on the brink of ruin. 'Isn't that the whole point of having city parks and beaches....are these not meant to be the community spaces for our youth to gather safely?' replied one user on Twitter. 'Nowhere In This City Is Safe!!!!' said another. 'Apparently Chicago decided it hasn't yet hit rock bottom. Soon,' wrote one person. 'When they travel in packs so large, there is no fear of repercussion,' wrote another.
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Daily Mail
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Shhhh. we're not supposed talk about Chicago here. Other cities are worse off...
 
TSwizzle said:
Chicago's new mayor is as clueless as the old mayor;

Chicago's mayor-elect said the city should not demonize the teens who organized a 'Teen Takeover' of the Loop over the weekend, even after the event turned violent with cars burnt cars and minors shot. Brandon Johnson, 47, said Sunday he does not 'condone the destructive activity' and that it's 'unacceptable and has no place' in Chicago, but that it should not be used as a way to vilify the group. 'However, it is not constructive to demonize youth who have otherwise been starved of opportunities in their own communities,' said Johnson, a progressive Democrat. Shocking footage showed some teenagers jumping on top of a bus while others started a massive brawl after descending on Millennium Park and attempting to breach barricades. Gunshots rang out with rounds striking two teenage boys aged 16 and 17 who were reported to be in stable condition as of Sunday. Cars were also left vandalized near East Washington Street in the Windy City. Despite the outrage over the violence and destruction, Johnson said he thinks the only path forward is to 'work together' to give kids safer spaces. The mayor-elect's response did not go over well on social media with hundreds calling him and others out for what they say is a city on the brink of ruin. 'Isn't that the whole point of having city parks and beaches....are these not meant to be the community spaces for our youth to gather safely?' replied one user on Twitter. 'Nowhere In This City Is Safe!!!!' said another. 'Apparently Chicago decided it hasn't yet hit rock bottom. Soon,' wrote one person. 'When they travel in packs so large, there is no fear of repercussion,' wrote another.
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Daily Mail
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So you believe the teenagers in question should be, as you say, "demonized"?
 
This is what we have to put up with;

A massive mob ransacked a Los Angeles gas station and stole thousands of dollars worth of alcohol, condoms and snacks during an illegal street takeover - as cops said they were unable to intervene due to being outnumbered. Footage from Sunday around 2am showed a group stopping traffic in the Compton intersection of Alondra Boulevard and Central Avenue to drift their cars before charging toward a nearby Arco. Deputies said they couldn't intervene as a mob of about 100 people broke the windows of a mini-mart and wiped it clean because they worried about their safety, according to ABC 7. Police said the street takeover was one of three that occurred in Compton. Only one arrest was made but the cause is unclear. Another massive takeover involving street racers occurred at Long Beach Boulevard and Rosecrans Avenue. Police said a total of 500 people were at involved in both illegal events. Similarly to the ARCO mini-mart incident, the Long Beach Boulevard takeover ended with vandalism and looting. Police said a laundromat was broken into.
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Daily Mail
 
TSwizzle said:
This is what we have to put up with;

A massive mob ransacked a Los Angeles gas station and stole thousands of dollars worth of alcohol, condoms and snacks during an illegal street takeover - as cops said they were unable to intervene due to being outnumbered. Footage from Sunday around 2am showed a group stopping traffic in the Compton intersection of Alondra Boulevard and Central Avenue to drift their cars before charging toward a nearby Arco. Deputies said they couldn't intervene as a mob of about 100 people broke the windows of a mini-mart and wiped it clean because they worried about their safety, according to ABC 7. Police said the street takeover was one of three that occurred in Compton. Only one arrest was made but the cause is unclear. Another massive takeover involving street racers occurred at Long Beach Boulevard and Rosecrans Avenue. Police said a total of 500 people were at involved in both illegal events. Similarly to the ARCO mini-mart incident, the Long Beach Boulevard takeover ended with vandalism and looting. Police said a laundromat was broken into.
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What do you believe should be done about this?
 
Apparently the recent mob violence in Chicago was some sort of impromptu protest against poverty;

Despite the significant damage caused by the bedlam, state senator Peters, who counts parts of Chicago within his constituency, brushed off the ugly scenes in a widely criticized social media post. He said: 'Since I’m a glutton for punishment and I’m sure I’m gonna get the most unhinged, crime weirdo replies but: I would look at the behavior of young people as a political act and statement. 'It’s a mass protest against poverty and segregation.'

Outgoing Chicago mayor Lori Lightfoot, who was recently voted out of office, told a local reporter that she believed calling the ugly scenes 'mayhem' was incorrect. 'The mass majority of the young people who came downtown, came downtown because there was great weather and it was an opportunity to enjoy the city,' she added. 'That's absolutely, entirely appropriate... There are a few that came with different intentions. 'They have and they will be dealt with. But I'm not going to use your language, which I think is wrong, to say there's "mayhem"'.
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Jeezus, talk about gaslighting the citizens of Chicago.
 
Derec said:
Politesse said:
What do you believe should be done about this?
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Prosecute the offenders. Something Garcon is loathe to do.
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When you say "prosecute the offenders", what exactly do you mean? What existing law or policy do you want changed, and in what specific way? What will your proposed changes cost, and who should pay that bill?

Or are you full of shit, and just wanted to complain that shoplifting happens, without having any idea what to actually do about it any more than the police do?
 
Politesse said:
When you say "prosecute the offenders", what exactly do you mean?
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I mean exactly what it says. Prosecute the offenders.
What existing law or policy do you want changed, and in what specific way?
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Gascon's policies of not (sufficiently) prosecuting criminals, esp. when they are teens.
What will your proposed changes cost, and who should pay that bill?
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It would cost what similar prosecutions cost before Gascon took over, I guess. And criminal justice is a core role of government, and I have no problem government budgets paying for it. That said, these criminals should also pay restitution to their victims in addition to any fines paid to the courts.
Or are you full of shit, and just wanted to complain that shoplifting happens, without having any idea what to actually do about it any more than the police do?
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What do you think should happen to thieves etc.? Should they just be ignored?
 
Politesse said:
So you believe the teenagers in question should be, as you say, "demonized"?
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Those that are guilty of the Chicago unrests/violence, certainly.
What should not happen is for fauxgressive politicians like Robert Peters, Brandon Johnson or Kim Foxx to forever keep making excuses for them.
This is the incident in question.
15 arrested in connection with Loop chaos after 2 teens shot near Millennium Park: Chicago police

Some of the perps were arrested. But what use is arresting them if Kim Foxx won't prosecute or downgrades charges so much it becomes a gentle slap on the wrist?
 
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