Derec
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It would be reduced more than slightly due to deterrence. Especially if the law changes so that felony limits are lowered.Then, somehow, shoplifting is reduced slightly.
It would be reduced more than slightly due to deterrence. Especially if the law changes so that felony limits are lowered.Then, somehow, shoplifting is reduced slightly.
Contra Costa County has similar policies concerning petty theft. But they would be headed for jail for years in either jurisdiction.Those found are going to jail for years, not months, on account of the severity of their crime
And also due to the fact that it happened outside SF city limits and thus outside of DA Chesa's jurisdiction.
Ah, so you additionally want to manipulate the law so that shoplifting less than $1000 is considered a felony rather than a misdemeanor?It would be reduced more than slightly due to deterrence. Especially if the law changes so that felony limits are lowered.Then, somehow, shoplifting is reduced slightly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_boogaloo_killingsLink to that case? I am not convinced that (unlike Proud Boys) the Boogaloos are even a real group. Even their name sound unlikely for a real group as opposed to some kind of parody.The list of 25 deaths also includes two California law enforcement officers killed by an alleged anti-government “boogaloo” extremist.
In late May and early June 2020, two ambush-style attacks occurred against security personnel and law enforcement officers in California. The attacks left two dead and injured three others.
The attacks began on May 29, when a drive-by shooting occurred in front of a federal courthouse in Oakland, resulting in the death of a security officer contracted with the Federal Protective Service. Over a week later on June 6, Santa Cruz County sheriff's deputies were shot at and also attacked with improvised explosive devices; one of them died as a result.
U.S. Air Force sergeant Steven Carrillo was arrested soon after the second attack. A second suspect, Robert Justus, surrendered to authorities five days later. The FBI indicated that Carrillo was associated with the boogaloo movement, a loosely organized American far-right anti-government extremist movement whose participants say they are preparing for a second civil war.[1][2][3] Carrillo used the George Floyd protests as a cover to attack police officers, according to the FBI.[4] A white van owned by Carrillo contained a ballistic vest with a patch bearing boogaloo symbolism. Carrillo is alleged to have written "boog" and the phrase "I became unreasonable" (a popular meme among boogaloo groups) in his own blood on the hood of a vehicle he hijacked.[5] According to federal authorities, the suspects were motivated by the boogaloo movement's ideology, and allegedly intended to spread its extremist views and start a civil war.[6][7] During his arraignment, Carrillo wore a face mask with the words 'We the people,' written in marker, along with initials 'BLM' - for 'Black Lives Matter' - and 'Portland, Kenosha, George Floyd and Breonna Taylor.' [8]
Well it would certainly make for an excellent social geometry for use in a fucked up dystopian setting?Ah, so you additionally want to manipulate the law so that shoplifting less than $1000 is considered a felony rather than a misdemeanor?It would be reduced more than slightly due to deterrence. Especially if the law changes so that felony limits are lowered.Then, somehow, shoplifting is reduced slightly.
What is your evidence that your incredibly expensive policy proposals would control shoplifting at all, let alone more than slightly?
That's not what he asked.You don’t think the policies in San Francisco have anything to do with it. Interesting.
Neither have I but I don't think ending the practice of shoplifting is achievable. But what we do need is a reduction in cases where emboldened shoplifters just walk into a store take what they want and likely suffer no consequences. These incidents are becoming more frequent and more brazen. It is amusing to me that authorities are more concerned about preventing unmasked or unvaccinated people visiting stores, in LA County at least.I have yet to see a concrete, plausible Republican plan for how to end the end practice of shoplifting.You don’t think the policies in San Francisco have anything to do with it. Interesting.
The "no consequences" thing is rightwing bullshit, though. Prop 47 doesn't protect armed gangs like this in any way.Neither have I but I don't think ending the practice of shoplifting is achievable. But what we do need is a reduction in cases where emboldened shoplifters just walk into a store take what they want and likely suffer no consequences. These incidents are becoming more frequent and more brazen. It is amusing to me that authorities are more concerned about preventing unmasked or unvaccinated people visiting stores, in LA County at least.I have yet to see a concrete, plausible Republican plan for how to end the end practice of shoplifting.You don’t think the policies in San Francisco have anything to do with it. Interesting.
You mean access to brazen shop lifting videos is easier these days.Neither have I but I don't think ending the practice of shoplifting is achievable. But what we do need is a reduction in cases where emboldened shoplifters just walk into a store take what they want and likely suffer no consequences. These incidents are becoming more frequent and more brazen.I have yet to see a concrete, plausible Republican plan for how to end the end practice of shoplifting.You don’t think the policies in San Francisco have anything to do with it. Interesting.
You mean access to brazen shop lifting videos is easier these days.Neither have I but I don't think ending the practice of shoplifting is achievable. But what we do need is a reduction in cases where emboldened shoplifters just walk into a store take what they want and likely suffer no consequences. These incidents are becoming more frequent and more brazen.I have yet to see a concrete, plausible Republican plan for how to end the end practice of shoplifting.You don’t think the policies in San Francisco have anything to do with it. Interesting.
No, really they're not.Prisons are just homeless shelters with guards and free healthcare. They are probably more expensive than just letting the same people have a place to sleep.
Absolutely, because prisoners have certain rights and a minimum standard of care, however dismal those standards may be. The homeless are owed little by the government, excepting emergency medical care.I have a feeling that providing the homeless with free first-come-first-serve dorms would be cheaper than the criminal justice costs resulting from not providing this amenity, but that is just an idea.
I just figure that giving them a bunk would be cheaper.Absolutely, because prisoners have certain rights and a minimum standard of care, however dismal those standards may be. The homeless are owed little by the government, excepting emergency medical care.I have a feeling that providing the homeless with free first-come-first-serve dorms would be cheaper than the criminal justice costs resulting from not providing this amenity, but that is just an idea.
That said, I would be surprised if many of those involved in this shoplifting ring were homeless.
I like to live in a world in my imagination where our prisons were created by people that were actually rational.No, really they're not.Prisons are just homeless shelters with guards and free healthcare. They are probably more expensive than just letting the same people have a place to sleep.
I cannot imagine why you think this. Have you ever truly known anyone who did time in prison?
Tom
I've noticed that about you.I like to live in a world in my imagination
FYIAD.I've noticed that about you.I like to live in a world in my imagination
Tom