Breakdown In Civil Order

[TSwizzle]

LONG BEACH, Calif. - Homelessness in Long Beach has increased by 62% since 2020, according to the results of the city-run 2022 Homeless Point in Time Count. The count determined there were 3,296 people experiencing homelessness on Feb. 24, when the survey was conducted by the city's Health and Human Services Department. The 2020 count found there were 2,034 people experiencing homelessness.
Long Beach's 2022 count also found a 22% increase in people living in encampments or on the street, and a 380% increase in people living in a vehicle compared to January 2020. At the same time, according to the city, "while many remain unsheltered, more people than ever before are living in emergency shelters or interim housing in Long Beach." Specifically, according to city data, the number of people experiencing homelessness living in interim housing increased by 123% — though those living in interim housing are still classified as homeless. In addition, according to the city, 78% of the city's homeless were living in Long Beach and Los Angeles County before becoming homeless, while more than 90% became homeless in California.

News

A number of cities in Los Angeles county resemble third world conditions.

 

[Politesse]

So you're upset that people are in interim housing? Why?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

LONG BEACH, Calif. - Homelessness in Long Beach has increased by 62% since 2020, according to the results of the city-run 2022 Homeless Point in Time Count. The count determined there were 3,296 people experiencing homelessness on Feb. 24, when the survey was conducted by the city's Health and Human Services Department. The 2020 count found there were 2,034 people experiencing homelessness.
Long Beach's 2022 count also found a 22% increase in people living in encampments or on the street, and a 380% increase in people living in a vehicle compared to January 2020. At the same time, according to the city, "while many remain unsheltered, more people than ever before are living in emergency shelters or interim housing in Long Beach." Specifically, according to city data, the number of people experiencing homelessness living in interim housing increased by 123% — though those living in interim housing are still classified as homeless. In addition, according to the city, 78% of the city's homeless were living in Long Beach and Los Angeles County before becoming homeless, while more than 90% became homeless in California.

News

A number of cities in Los Angeles county resemble third world conditions.

Third world? Yeah. Not really.

Long Beach population over 460,000 people.

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Homeless went from 3,300 from 2,000 between 2022 and 2020. So it went from 0.5% to 0.7%.

We should aim to eliminate homelessness. But to consider that tick of 0.5% to about 0.7% of the population being homeless as meaning the city is Third World, that's just the typical hyperbole we have come to expect from the #LetsGoHomelander crowd.

 

[TSwizzle]

A cycling fitness studio in Los Angeles is demanding the city address the homelessness crisis affecting business. Jessica Lewis, owner of Dragonfly Cycling in Sherman Oaks, says she noticed six incidents this month, from car break-ins to unhoused people defecating and blocking clients from entering her studio. She called the Los Angeles Police Department and LA City Council Tuesday morning regarding another incident. "Somebody came in with an 'F the police' tattoo on his stomach, came into my business, scared myself and clients at the desk checking in," Lewis said. LA City Council Member Nithya Raman said she's aware of the issues and that her office has responded every time Lewis reached out over the last 14 months, including sending their homeless outreach team to Lewis' studio following the incident Tuesday.

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Jessica, her staff and clients are scared because these drug addled homeless people are a very serious threat. Just recently my friend was attacked in his store by a homeless woman and was bitten. The homeless woman was known to police and had already many run ins with the law. My friend is getting tested for hepatitis, aids etc.

The outreach teams are useless.

 

[Politesse]

The outreach teams are useless.

What alternative strategy would you propose?

 

[TSwizzle]

This is what the people of California have to deal with;

NASCAR star Bobby East, 37, died after being stabbed at a California gas station. Police are looking for Trent William Millsap, 27, who allegedly stabbed the three-time US Auto Club (USAC) champ in the chest while he was fueling up in Westminster on Wednesday. Police said Millsap, a transient who frequents the area, is also accused of stabbing another man at the 76 gas station before allegedly attacking East. Officials said Millsap, who has distinct tattoos all over his body, should be considered armed and dangerous. The homeless man also has an outstanding parole warrant.

Daily Mail

And Newsom wants to run the country. Let that sink in.

 

[thebeave]

This is what the people of California have to deal with;

NASCAR star Bobby East, 37, died after being stabbed at a California gas station. Police are looking for Trent William Millsap, 27, who allegedly stabbed the three-time US Auto Club (USAC) champ in the chest while he was fueling up in Westminster on Wednesday. Police said Millsap, a transient who frequents the area, is also accused of stabbing another man at the 76 gas station before allegedly attacking East. Officials said Millsap, who has distinct tattoos all over his body, should be considered armed and dangerous. The homeless man also has an outstanding parole warrant.

Daily Mail

And Newsom wants to run the country. Let that sink in.

*shivers* What has the guy done (in any office he has held) that he could even remotely brag about?

 

[Politesse]

This is what the people of California have to deal with;

NASCAR star Bobby East, 37, died after being stabbed at a California gas station. Police are looking for Trent William Millsap, 27, who allegedly stabbed the three-time US Auto Club (USAC) champ in the chest while he was fueling up in Westminster on Wednesday. Police said Millsap, a transient who frequents the area, is also accused of stabbing another man at the 76 gas station before allegedly attacking East. Officials said Millsap, who has distinct tattoos all over his body, should be considered armed and dangerous. The homeless man also has an outstanding parole warrant.

Daily Mail

And Newsom wants to run the country. Let that sink in.

Indeed. There are only stabbings in California.



Are conservatives really so dumb as to read a headline from a state and be like, this must be a prevalent problem in that state, personally caused by that state's governor, unless it's a red state, in which case leadership is irrelevant and this is all the Democrat's fault somehow?

 

[Copernicus]

This is what the people of California have to deal with;

NASCAR star Bobby East, 37, died after being stabbed at a California gas station. Police are looking for Trent William Millsap, 27, who allegedly stabbed the three-time US Auto Club (USAC) champ in the chest while he was fueling up in Westminster on Wednesday. Police said Millsap, a transient who frequents the area, is also accused of stabbing another man at the 76 gas station before allegedly attacking East. Officials said Millsap, who has distinct tattoos all over his body, should be considered armed and dangerous. The homeless man also has an outstanding parole warrant.

Daily Mail

And Newsom wants to run the country. Let that sink in.

Indeed. There are only stabbings in California.



Are conservatives really so dumb as to read a headline from a state and be like, this must be a prevalent problem in that state, personally caused by that state's governor, unless it's a red state, in which case leadership is irrelevant and this is all the Democrat's fault somehow?

Don't be silly. You only have to look at all those other states run be Democrats with high murder rates to see that TSwizzle knows what he is talking about. The crime map on your linked web site shows that California has a homicide rate of 4.5 per 100,000 and firearms death rate of 7.9. It's even worse in Florida, which also has a governor contending for the next next presidential election. Florida has a rate of 5.0 and 12.6, respectively. Newsom can't beat that record. What is the name of the Democrat in charge of Florida? Ron something? Anybody?

 

[Politesse]

I was gonna stab a dude the other day, but then I was like "oh snap, I'm in Prescott, the governor of this state is that ice cream guy. I'd better just write angry forum post instead. How I miss California!"

 

[TSwizzle]

shivers* What has the guy done (in any office he has held) that he could even remotely brag about?

Absolutely nothing of consequence. He has fucked up everything he touched. From the covid pandemic to the “homeless” crisis and everything in between. A virtue signaling twat of the highest order.

 

[Copernicus]

How did Newsom manage to start a global pandemic and create all those homeless people across the country? That's pretty impressive for a governor. Why don't you guys start a recall petition?

 

[Politesse]

We tried, but the deep state stole the election.

 

[TSwizzle]

“Homeless” guy that stabbed Bobby East to death apparently got his comeuppance;

Days later, police later shot and killed Trent William Millsap, 27, a homeless man on parole, who allegedly stabbed the three-time US Auto Club (USAC) champ, in a SWAT raid, according to the Orange County District Attorney's Office. A SWAT team executed a search warrant at an apartment on the 3300 block of Lincoln Avenue, in Anaheim, on Friday. Millsap was shot and killed on the scene as the police were trying to arrest him. No officers were injured in the shootout, but a police K-9 was hit with a bullet and suffered non-life threatening injuries.

Daily Mail

On July 11th, there was a shooting spree across several 7-Eleven stores with multiple fatalities.

Starbucks announced they are closing stores in Los Angeles amid safety concerns. Yeah, because the the meth zombies are a danger to staff and customers.

And the idiots in Sacramento obsess about masks and a virus that has a 99.9% recovery rate.

 

[thebeave]

“Homeless” guy that stabbed Bobby East to death apparently got his comeuppance;

Days later, police later shot and killed Trent William Millsap, 27, a homeless man on parole, who allegedly stabbed the three-time US Auto Club (USAC) champ, in a SWAT raid, according to the Orange County District Attorney's Office. A SWAT team executed a search warrant at an apartment on the 3300 block of Lincoln Avenue, in Anaheim, on Friday. Millsap was shot and killed on the scene as the police were trying to arrest him. No officers were injured in the shootout, but a police K-9 was hit with a bullet and suffered non-life threatening injuries.

Daily Mail

On July 11th, there was a shooting spree across several 7-Eleven stores with multiple fatalities.

Starbucks announced they are closing stores in Los Angeles amid safety concerns. Yeah, because the the meth zombies are a danger to staff and customers.

And the idiots in Sacramento obsess about masks and a virus that has a 99.9% recovery rate.

Not just L.A. Starbucks...

 

[Copernicus]

“Homeless” guy that stabbed Bobby East to death apparently got his comeuppance;

Days later, police later shot and killed Trent William Millsap, 27, a homeless man on parole, who allegedly stabbed the three-time US Auto Club (USAC) champ, in a SWAT raid, according to the Orange County District Attorney's Office. A SWAT team executed a search warrant at an apartment on the 3300 block of Lincoln Avenue, in Anaheim, on Friday. Millsap was shot and killed on the scene as the police were trying to arrest him. No officers were injured in the shootout, but a police K-9 was hit with a bullet and suffered non-life threatening injuries.

Daily Mail

On July 11th, there was a shooting spree across several 7-Eleven stores with multiple fatalities.

Starbucks announced they are closing stores in Los Angeles amid safety concerns. Yeah, because the the meth zombies are a danger to staff and customers.

And the idiots in Sacramento obsess about masks and a virus that has a 99.9% recovery rate.

Not just L.A. Starbucks...

Or it could just be brain rot caused by reading British tabloids like the Daily Mail, whose track record of unreliability caused Wikipedia to ban as a source.

In February 2017, Wikipedians made a similar call for Daily Mail citations—that the publication would no longer be cited in articles as fact, due to its “reputation for poor fact checking, sensationalism and flat-out fabrication.” In April, when Facebook started marking fake news stories as fake with a popup linking to Wikipedia as a fact-checking reference, Breitbart claimed that Wikipedia “is notorious for its bias, editorial unaccountability, and unreliable articles.” In fact, Wikipedia is incredibly stringent about fake news and its editors are obsessive about accuracy (that doesn’t mean Wikipedia is always correct, but mistakes are generally fixed quickly.) In addition to Facebook, YouTube is also relying on the work of volunteer Wikipedia editors to fact-check its conspiracy theory videos.

 

[TSwizzle]

Or it could just be brain rot caused by reading British tabloids like the Daily Mail,

What, Bobby East is alive? Starbucks aren’t closing stores in Los Angeles because of safety concerns? I’d be happy to hear that Bobby East is alive.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Or it could just be brain rot caused by reading British tabloids like the Daily Mail, whose track record of unreliability caused Wikipedia to ban as a source.

In February 2017, Wikipedians made a similar call for Daily Mail citations—that the publication would no longer be cited in articles as fact, due to its “reputation for poor fact checking, sensationalism and flat-out fabrication.” In April, when Facebook started marking fake news stories as fake with a popup linking to Wikipedia as a fact-checking reference, Breitbart claimed that Wikipedia “is notorious for its bias, editorial unaccountability, and unreliable articles.” In fact, Wikipedia is incredibly stringent about fake news and its editors are obsessive about accuracy (that doesn’t mean Wikipedia is always correct, but mistakes are generally fixed quickly.) In addition to Facebook, YouTube is also relying on the work of volunteer Wikipedia editors to fact-check its conspiracy theory videos.

Sorry, but Wikipedia isn't all that trustworthy. The problem is that it's a truth by consensus, not truth by proof or authority system. The result is popular but false things will survive. Mostly, however, it comes down to what facts are chosen to include--it's guilty of cherry-picking on politically sensitive topics.

 

[Politesse]

“Homeless” guy that stabbed Bobby East to death apparently got his comeuppance;

Days later, police later shot and killed Trent William Millsap, 27, a homeless man on parole, who allegedly stabbed the three-time US Auto Club (USAC) champ, in a SWAT raid, according to the Orange County District Attorney's Office. A SWAT team executed a search warrant at an apartment on the 3300 block of Lincoln Avenue, in Anaheim, on Friday. Millsap was shot and killed on the scene as the police were trying to arrest him. No officers were injured in the shootout, but a police K-9 was hit with a bullet and suffered non-life threatening injuries.

Daily Mail

On July 11th, there was a shooting spree across several 7-Eleven stores with multiple fatalities.

Starbucks announced they are closing stores in Los Angeles amid safety concerns. Yeah, because the the meth zombies are a danger to staff and customers.

And the idiots in Sacramento obsess about masks and a virus that has a 99.9% recovery rate.

So the accused perpetrator was shot to death in the street without a trial.

What, exactly, is your problem with the present governance? Isn't shooting "bad people" to death exactly what your party promotes as the ideal outcome to every social problem? You're getting exactly what you say you want. Why are you crying into your cheerios about it? We have the authoritarian police state you're demanding, but you're still unhappy. Why?

 

[thebeave]

“Homeless” guy that stabbed Bobby East to death apparently got his comeuppance;

Days later, police later shot and killed Trent William Millsap, 27, a homeless man on parole, who allegedly stabbed the three-time US Auto Club (USAC) champ, in a SWAT raid, according to the Orange County District Attorney's Office. A SWAT team executed a search warrant at an apartment on the 3300 block of Lincoln Avenue, in Anaheim, on Friday. Millsap was shot and killed on the scene as the police were trying to arrest him. No officers were injured in the shootout, but a police K-9 was hit with a bullet and suffered non-life threatening injuries.

Daily Mail

On July 11th, there was a shooting spree across several 7-Eleven stores with multiple fatalities.

Starbucks announced they are closing stores in Los Angeles amid safety concerns. Yeah, because the the meth zombies are a danger to staff and customers.

And the idiots in Sacramento obsess about masks and a virus that has a 99.9% recovery rate.

So the accused perpetrator was shot to death in the street without a trial.

What, exactly, is your problem with the present governance? Isn't shooting "bad people" to death exactly what your party promotes as the ideal outcome to every social problem? You're getting exactly what you say you want. Why are you crying into your cheerios about it? We have the authoritarian police state you're demanding, but you're still unhappy. Why?

You've expressed concern that the thug was killed and deprived of due process, but nowhere have you shown concern for the stabbing death of an innocent man who was minding his own business fueling up his car. This attitude seems common, and is key to why a lot of people are fed up.

The rest of your post is obviously just strawman nonsense and you know it.

 

[Politesse]

“Homeless” guy that stabbed Bobby East to death apparently got his comeuppance;

Days later, police later shot and killed Trent William Millsap, 27, a homeless man on parole, who allegedly stabbed the three-time US Auto Club (USAC) champ, in a SWAT raid, according to the Orange County District Attorney's Office. A SWAT team executed a search warrant at an apartment on the 3300 block of Lincoln Avenue, in Anaheim, on Friday. Millsap was shot and killed on the scene as the police were trying to arrest him. No officers were injured in the shootout, but a police K-9 was hit with a bullet and suffered non-life threatening injuries.

Daily Mail

On July 11th, there was a shooting spree across several 7-Eleven stores with multiple fatalities.

Starbucks announced they are closing stores in Los Angeles amid safety concerns. Yeah, because the the meth zombies are a danger to staff and customers.

And the idiots in Sacramento obsess about masks and a virus that has a 99.9% recovery rate.

So the accused perpetrator was shot to death in the street without a trial.

What, exactly, is your problem with the present governance? Isn't shooting "bad people" to death exactly what your party promotes as the ideal outcome to every social problem? You're getting exactly what you say you want. Why are you crying into your cheerios about it? We have the authoritarian police state you're demanding, but you're still unhappy. Why?

You've expressed concern that the thug was killed and deprived of due process, but nowhere have you shown concern for the stabbing death of an innocent man who was minding his own business fueling up his car. This attitude seems common, and is key to why a lot of people are fed up.

The rest of your post is obviously just strawman nonsense and you know it.

Then perhaps you answer my question to tswizzle, rather than just whining about my asking it. What is it you want changed? If you state your policy clearly, there will be no need to guess. How would this situation have been different if Larry Elder were the governor? Would they have shot the accused perpetrator with larger guns, or what?

 

[blastula]

“Homeless” guy that stabbed Bobby East to death apparently got his comeuppance;

Days later, police later shot and killed Trent William Millsap, 27, a homeless man on parole, who allegedly stabbed the three-time US Auto Club (USAC) champ, in a SWAT raid, according to the Orange County District Attorney's Office. A SWAT team executed a search warrant at an apartment on the 3300 block of Lincoln Avenue, in Anaheim, on Friday. Millsap was shot and killed on the scene as the police were trying to arrest him. No officers were injured in the shootout, but a police K-9 was hit with a bullet and suffered non-life threatening injuries.

Daily Mail

On July 11th, there was a shooting spree across several 7-Eleven stores with multiple fatalities.

Starbucks announced they are closing stores in Los Angeles amid safety concerns. Yeah, because the the meth zombies are a danger to staff and customers.

And the idiots in Sacramento obsess about masks and a virus that has a 99.9% recovery rate.

Covid has killed tens of times more Californians than all the criminals did. Unless you count the plague rats.

 

[TSwizzle]

Caitlyn Jenner has slammed democratic governor Gavin Newsom and soft-on-crime DA George Gascon after a video emerged of thieves making off with $500,000 in luxury goods from a Malibu store. The video posted to Instagram shows brazen thieves snatching armloads of designer bags from a high-end store before fleeing out the front door into broad daylight. It happened around 2 p.m. on July 12 at the Maxfield store at the Malibu Lumber Yard shopping center, The Malibu Times reported. At least six suspects - male and female - barged into the store, body slammed a security guard and made off with the goods, a sheriff's spokesperson said. No one was injured.

People are being killed in the famously progressive county at a faster pace than 2021, as homicides hit a 15-year high.

So far this year, LA has seen 183 slayings.

Assaults are also up nearly five percent from 2021, with police so far recording 10,099 incidents.

Robberies, meanwhile, are at 4,740, up by more than 20 percent from last year.

Daily Mail

I was at the Malibu Lumber Yard just a couple of weeks ago. I always thought that area was pretty safe but I guess nowhere is safe these days. Way to go Newsom

Sadly, the recall of Gascon is not going as well as I had hoped but we will keep fighting.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The Daily Mail... give us a click... and you won't know dick.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

“Homeless” guy that stabbed Bobby East to death apparently got his comeuppance;

Days later, police later shot and killed Trent William Millsap, 27, a homeless man on parole, who allegedly stabbed the three-time US Auto Club (USAC) champ, in a SWAT raid, according to the Orange County District Attorney's Office. A SWAT team executed a search warrant at an apartment on the 3300 block of Lincoln Avenue, in Anaheim, on Friday. Millsap was shot and killed on the scene as the police were trying to arrest him. No officers were injured in the shootout, but a police K-9 was hit with a bullet and suffered non-life threatening injuries.

Daily Mail

On July 11th, there was a shooting spree across several 7-Eleven stores with multiple fatalities.

Starbucks announced they are closing stores in Los Angeles amid safety concerns. Yeah, because the the meth zombies are a danger to staff and customers.

And the idiots in Sacramento obsess about masks and a virus that has a 99.9% recovery rate.

So the accused perpetrator was shot to death in the street without a trial.

What, exactly, is your problem with the present governance? Isn't shooting "bad people" to death exactly what your party promotes as the ideal outcome to every social problem? You're getting exactly what you say you want. Why are you crying into your cheerios about it? We have the authoritarian police state you're demanding, but you're still unhappy. Why?

You've expressed concern that the thug was killed and deprived of due process, but nowhere have you shown concern for the stabbing death of an innocent man who was minding his own business fueling up his car. This attitude seems common, and is key to why a lot of people are fed up.

"Seems common"? I think what you mean is "contrived by you".

Fuck! The Government can't force people to wear a mask, but if the Government shoots and kills someone who they allege was a criminal that killed someone else... you are 100% no questions asked on the Government, both in the decision to use deadly force and in the opinion that this person definitely murdered another person. That seems inconsistent. We are supposed to have trials to prove guilt... not just use the Government's say-so.

 

[Politesse]

Caitlyn Jenner has slammed democratic governor Gavin Newsom and soft-on-crime DA George Gascon after a video emerged of thieves making off with $500,000 in luxury goods from a Malibu store. The video posted to Instagram shows brazen thieves snatching armloads of designer bags from a high-end store before fleeing out the front door into broad daylight. It happened around 2 p.m. on July 12 at the Maxfield store at the Malibu Lumber Yard shopping center, The Malibu Times reported. At least six suspects - male and female - barged into the store, body slammed a security guard and made off with the goods, a sheriff's spokesperson said. No one was injured.

People are being killed in the famously progressive county at a faster pace than 2021, as homicides hit a 15-year high.

So far this year, LA has seen 183 slayings.

Assaults are also up nearly five percent from 2021, with police so far recording 10,099 incidents.

Robberies, meanwhile, are at 4,740, up by more than 20 percent from last year.

Daily Mail

I was at the Malibu Lumber Yard just a couple of weeks ago. I always thought that area was pretty safe but I guess nowhere is safe these days. Way to go Newsom

Sadly, the recall of Gascon is not going as well as I had hoped but we will keep fighting.

How will Gascon's replacement end crime?

 

[thebeave]

Caitlyn Jenner has slammed democratic governor Gavin Newsom and soft-on-crime DA George Gascon after a video emerged of thieves making off with $500,000 in luxury goods from a Malibu store. The video posted to Instagram shows brazen thieves snatching armloads of designer bags from a high-end store before fleeing out the front door into broad daylight. It happened around 2 p.m. on July 12 at the Maxfield store at the Malibu Lumber Yard shopping center, The Malibu Times reported. At least six suspects - male and female - barged into the store, body slammed a security guard and made off with the goods, a sheriff's spokesperson said. No one was injured.

People are being killed in the famously progressive county at a faster pace than 2021, as homicides hit a 15-year high.

So far this year, LA has seen 183 slayings.

Assaults are also up nearly five percent from 2021, with police so far recording 10,099 incidents.

Robberies, meanwhile, are at 4,740, up by more than 20 percent from last year.

Daily Mail

I was at the Malibu Lumber Yard just a couple of weeks ago. I always thought that area was pretty safe but I guess nowhere is safe these days. Way to go Newsom

Sadly, the recall of Gascon is not going as well as I had hoped but we will keep fighting.

Ya know, you shouldn't use the Daily Mail as a source. They are using outdated 20th century terminology. We don't call them "brazen thieves". They are "organized groups of folks". Get it together man!

 

[thebeave]

“Homeless” guy that stabbed Bobby East to death apparently got his comeuppance;

Days later, police later shot and killed Trent William Millsap, 27, a homeless man on parole, who allegedly stabbed the three-time US Auto Club (USAC) champ, in a SWAT raid, according to the Orange County District Attorney's Office. A SWAT team executed a search warrant at an apartment on the 3300 block of Lincoln Avenue, in Anaheim, on Friday. Millsap was shot and killed on the scene as the police were trying to arrest him. No officers were injured in the shootout, but a police K-9 was hit with a bullet and suffered non-life threatening injuries.

Daily Mail

On July 11th, there was a shooting spree across several 7-Eleven stores with multiple fatalities.

Starbucks announced they are closing stores in Los Angeles amid safety concerns. Yeah, because the the meth zombies are a danger to staff and customers.

And the idiots in Sacramento obsess about masks and a virus that has a 99.9% recovery rate.

So the accused perpetrator was shot to death in the street without a trial.

What, exactly, is your problem with the present governance? Isn't shooting "bad people" to death exactly what your party promotes as the ideal outcome to every social problem? You're getting exactly what you say you want. Why are you crying into your cheerios about it? We have the authoritarian police state you're demanding, but you're still unhappy. Why?

You've expressed concern that the thug was killed and deprived of due process, but nowhere have you shown concern for the stabbing death of an innocent man who was minding his own business fueling up his car. This attitude seems common, and is key to why a lot of people are fed up.

"Seems common"? I think what you mean is "contrived by you".

Fuck! The Government can't force people to wear a mask, but if the Government shoots and kills someone who they allege was a criminal that killed someone else... you are 100% no questions asked on the Government, both in the decision to use deadly force and in the opinion that this person definitely murdered another person. That seems inconsistent. We are supposed to have trials to prove guilt... not just use the Government's say-so.

As anyone can see, you put a lot of words in my mouth, but it seems all you did was just prove my point. Thanks. So, here's your second chance. Got any words of sympathy for Bobby East? I thought you might, given you are a NASCAR fan, but apparently even that's not enough.

 

[TSwizzle]

You've expressed concern that the thug was killed and deprived of due process, but nowhere have you shown concern for the stabbing death of an innocent man who was minding his own business fueling up his car. This attitude seems common, and is key to why a lot of people are fed up.

Gascon's ideology is that the perpetrator of a violent crime is as much, if not more of a victim than the actual victim of a violent crime.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

"Seems common"? I think what you mean is "contrived by you".

Fuck! The Government can't force people to wear a mask, but if the Government shoots and kills someone who they allege was a criminal that killed someone else... you are 100% no questions asked on the Government, both in the decision to use deadly force and in the opinion that this person definitely murdered another person. That seems inconsistent. We are supposed to have trials to prove guilt... not just use the Government's say-so.

As anyone can see, you put a lot of words in my mouth...

You imply that Politesse had no regard to a stabbing victim (put words in their mouth) and are now complaining about having words put into your mouth?

...but it seems all you did was just prove my point. Thanks. So, here's your second chance. Got any words of sympathy for Bobby East? I thought you might, given you are a NASCAR fan, but apparently even that's not enough.

Okay, first, I'm going to forgive your absolute slander by calling me a NASCAR fan. That isn't race car driving.

Secondly, now you are trying to put words into my mouth, by trying to imply I don't care about the stabbing victim, because I said that those accused of crimes need to face trial and not be simply arrested/killed by the Government via their say-so. So you are back to contrived arguments trying to score cheap points off the murder of a person.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You've expressed concern that the thug was killed and deprived of due process, but nowhere have you shown concern for the stabbing death of an innocent man who was minding his own business fueling up his car. This attitude seems common, and is key to why a lot of people are fed up.

Gascon's ideology is that the perpetrator of a violent crime is as much, if not more of a victim than the actual victim of a violent crime.

Or in this case, potentially an untreated mentally ill person who society failed, which led to both the alleged murder of someone and then his own premature death. The mentally ill need treatment, not prison.

 

[Copernicus]

Apparently, TSwizzle and thebeave would prefer the state of California to have a track record on violent crime like the well-run Republican-controlled states of Florida and Texas, both of which have higher homicide rates than California. More importantly, they don't hate the governors of those states like they do the one in California.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It is also peculiar. Some violent crimes are rising, some are falling. Other crimes are falling.

But some people seem to want to be running around crying out about the sky falling.

 

[steve_bank]

Yet another case. A few years back two teens beat a man to death. One served 3 months and now he killed again. This is becoming common around here. The revolving door of justice.

In Walmart yeerday two men argued and started shootong at each other. Social norms on behavior are disappearing.

Around here the sky is falling.

Arson became a problem during the protests aka riots.

A week or so ago ago I head sirens, no big deal as we live near a fire station and a hospital. I was in bed and smelled smoke but heard no building alarms.

The building next door has a wire mesh double door through which the trash collectors roll dumsters out to the truck. So,endy probaly homeless pried the door open, poured gasoline around, and strtaed a fire.

My apartment is about 40 feet from the corner of te building across an ally which was up n flames.

This too is a common story around here

And of course grafitti. It is impossible to keep buildings clean of graffiti..

 

[bilby]

A few years back, “somebody” would have been “probably black” rather than “probably homeless”.

The kind of person who assigns an unknown individual to a group, solely on the basis that they did something bad, is “probably” bigoted.

 

[TSwizzle]

The “homeless” guy that almost blinded US Olympian Kim Glass had previous. Lots of previous;

The troubled felon accused of almost blinding Olympian Kim Glass in Los Angeles previously attacked a prosecutor — who is blaming woke officials for allowing the “entirely predictable and preventable” violence. Irene Lee was a deputy district attorney in LA when Semeon Tesfamariam randomly attacked her while she was on a coffee break in August 2020. “He just came up behind me and he socked me. I felt like a car or bike had hit me and I started stumbling forward and just crying,” she told KCAL9. At the time, Tesfamariam had already “attacked three women, two of them with a golf club and a hammer” — as well as another “where he’d gone after a young woman with a metal pipe and struck her numerous times,” the ex-prosecutor told Fox News.

NY Post

I would not be surprised if this guy goes on to kill a woman.

 

[bilby]

The “homeless” guy that almost blinded US Olympian Kim Glass had previous. Lots of previous;

The troubled felon accused of almost blinding Olympian Kim Glass in Los Angeles previously attacked a prosecutor — who is blaming woke officials for allowing the “entirely predictable and preventable” violence. Irene Lee was a deputy district attorney in LA when Semeon Tesfamariam randomly attacked her while she was on a coffee break in August 2020. “He just came up behind me and he socked me. I felt like a car or bike had hit me and I started stumbling forward and just crying,” she told KCAL9. At the time, Tesfamariam had already “attacked three women, two of them with a golf club and a hammer” — as well as another “where he’d gone after a young woman with a metal pipe and struck her numerous times,” the ex-prosecutor told Fox News.

NY Post

I would not be surprised if this guy goes on to kill a woman.

You should report him to your local pre-crime agency office.

 

[Jarhyn]

The “homeless” guy that almost blinded US Olympian Kim Glass had previous. Lots of previous;

The troubled felon accused of almost blinding Olympian Kim Glass in Los Angeles previously attacked a prosecutor — who is blaming woke officials for allowing the “entirely predictable and preventable” violence. Irene Lee was a deputy district attorney in LA when Semeon Tesfamariam randomly attacked her while she was on a coffee break in August 2020. “He just came up behind me and he socked me. I felt like a car or bike had hit me and I started stumbling forward and just crying,” she told KCAL9. At the time, Tesfamariam had already “attacked three women, two of them with a golf club and a hammer” — as well as another “where he’d gone after a young woman with a metal pipe and struck her numerous times,” the ex-prosecutor told Fox News.

NY Post

I would not be surprised if this guy goes on to kill a woman.

You should report him to your local pre-crime agency office.

I would much rather, now that we're no longer jailing homeless people with mental health issues that the slavery of the US "justice" system won't solve, instead rebuilding mental health infrastructures in the US and legal frameworks and public funding so that such persons can live in places they will actually be taught how to, and actually learn to only beat women with a pipe* with their consent.

*Or maybe a riding crop.

Edit: I reckon some folks would much rather just have someone they can push on and hate until the force of the ideas and the pushing breaks them. They wish to see someone be oppressed by their ideas, with no physical force at all in something they can maybe fool themselves into not thinking of as unethical while they do it.

"They are doing it to themselves, the idiots, listening to my bullshit" says such a person in their secret heart. I know it because I have a voice there myself saying much the same. It is there and it is real, a dark aggregation of neurons spewing odiousness. At least I know better than to listen to it, mostly because I understand that it is there.

Sometimes it is egging the person on to spread misinformation about diseases. Sometimes it is egging them on to seek out the flavor of the month for the popular bigot (currently: trans and gender non-conforming person's) and spout off whatever it is people are saying about them and then follow it up with "ThInK Of ThE ChIlDrEn!"

This very thing is the thing IT is a metaphor for. But then, metaphors are lost on some people.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The “homeless” guy that almost blinded US Olympian Kim Glass had previous. Lots of previous;

The troubled felon accused of almost blinding Olympian Kim Glass in Los Angeles previously attacked a prosecutor — who is blaming woke officials for allowing the “entirely predictable and preventable” violence. Irene Lee was a deputy district attorney in LA when Semeon Tesfamariam randomly attacked her while she was on a coffee break in August 2020. “He just came up behind me and he socked me. I felt like a car or bike had hit me and I started stumbling forward and just crying,” she told KCAL9. At the time, Tesfamariam had already “attacked three women, two of them with a golf club and a hammer” — as well as another “where he’d gone after a young woman with a metal pipe and struck her numerous times,” the ex-prosecutor told Fox News.

NY Post

I would not be surprised if this guy goes on to kill a woman.

This post paid for by the Imprison the Mentally Ill, instead of hospitalize them in facilities that can see to their care and treatment PAC.

 

[TSwizzle]

Newsom's California;

Sacramento's homeless population has spiraled out of control, soaring by 67 percent in just three years - pushing the numbers even higher than nearby San Francisco as photos show tent cities and communities of the unhoused living under bridges. California's capital has just over 5,000 homeless people within the city limits, many living in vehicles and tents, compared to the 4,400 homeless people estimated to live in San Francisco. Local Democrats blame the surge on the rising cost of living and house prices. However medical experts and others say it is more likely caused by new, more harmful types of drugs and a lack of sufficient policing or shelter for the homeless. And Sacramento District Attorney Anne Marie Schubert says the crisis is caused by a lack of policing and mental health care. She said there is a drugs epidemic raging through the city, that is not being met head-on by the local Democrats. Schubert is running as an independent for California Attorney General.

Daily Mail

Local democrats are obviously clueless.

 

[TSwizzle]

The CEO of Starbucks is shuttering 16 profitable stores nationwide over disruptions that he's blamed on the cities' woke leaders for 'abdicating their responsibility' to fight crime. Howard Schultz said 'America has become unsafe' after he announced that 16 stores will close in several left-leaning cities across the country because staff are being attacked and reports of drug use at the popular cafés. The cities set to see closures include the company's hometown of Seattle, as well as four other liberal-run municipalities - Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Portland and D.C - where crime rates have soared due to woke policies including police cuts. Schultz warned that this is 'just the beginning' of store closures and said there 'would be many more' as staff fear for their own safety amid a rise in crime, homeless and people with mental health issues.

Daily Mail

The ramifications of the policies towards the "homeless" is becoming ever more clear.

 

[prideandfall]

The CEO of Starbucks is shuttering 16 profitable stores nationwide over disruptions that he's blamed on the cities' woke leaders for 'abdicating their responsibility' to fight crime. Howard Schultz said 'America has become unsafe' after he announced that 16 stores will close in several left-leaning cities across the country because staff are being attacked and reports of drug use at the popular cafés. The cities set to see closures include the company's hometown of Seattle, as well as four other liberal-run municipalities - Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Portland and D.C - where crime rates have soared due to woke policies including police cuts. Schultz warned that this is 'just the beginning' of store closures and said there 'would be many more' as staff fear for their own safety amid a rise in crime, homeless and people with mental health issues.

Daily Mail

The ramifications of the policies towards the "homeless" is becoming ever more clear.

yeah it turns out ignoring it doesn't fix the problem, and not doing anything remotely helpful about it doesn't fix it either... who knew!?
it's almost like if you structure your society to specifically create a homeless crisis and then go out of your way to actively demonize a massive group of people who you have intentionally engineered to have nothing left to lose, they stop following the rules of civilized society.
how could anyone have seen this coming??

 

[TSwizzle]

A reputed gang member and convicted murderer who got out of prison decades early with help from Los Angeles District Attorney George Gascon is facing new felony charges, according to authorities. Andrew Cachu was released in November after Deputy District Attorney Alisa Blair, a close Gascon ally, declined to present evidence at a hearing to determine whether he should remain in custody after aging out of the juvenile detention facility when he turned 25, Fox News Digital reported at the time. The Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department said Cachu had been involved in a chase Wednesday evening.
Lt. L. Arnold told Fox News Digital that deputies responded to a report of a person passed out in a car blocking driving lanes when they encountered Cachu apparently asleep with a gun in the car. Cachu was 17 in March 2015 when he gunned down Louis Amela, 41, outside the Sky Burger restaurant in Palmdale during a robbery, according to court documents.

Fox

These are the scumbags that Gascon releases on to the streets of Los Angeles.

 

[Copernicus]

Meanwhile, there is a massive homeless problem across the United States, not just in California. Ignoring them, jailing them, or letting them die in the streets is not a solution, although that seems to be the Republican program for dealing with the problem. If there is a breakdown in civil order regarding homeless people, it is with the inhumanity that so many people seem to feel when it comes to people who find themselves with no place to live. A large number suffer from drug and alcohol addiction, but the number is nowhere near what the fearmongers claim--somewhere between 25-40%, not the majority. Many even hold down jobs and live out of their cars.

Those who live out of cars need a safe place to park near public facilities where they can safely take care of personal hygiene and perhaps get other social services to help get them back on their feet. In the suburb of Seattle where I live, they are building a safe parking project for such people supported by our tax dollars. A few local churches have programs to help, but they do not provide enough such spaces to accommodate all who need them:

Bellevue to Pilot a Safe Parking Program for Unhoused Residents in Vehicles​

Is this just another misguided "woke" project to waste taxpayer dollars? Many people in this city (mainly conservatives) think so, but most people support doing something to help rather than just complaining about the problem and pretending it will go away if we ignore it and persecute those who happen to find their lives in a downward spiral.

 

[Swammerdami]

And the idiots in Sacramento obsess about masks and a virus that has a 99.9% recovery rate.

Covid has killed tens of times more Californians than all the criminals did. Unless you count the plague rats.
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TSwizzle

You seem to have dazed Mr. Swizzle so let me offer rebuttal.

There you go taking numbers out of context again. The 93,000 deaths in California due to "Covid" were actually part of a genocide campaign led by George Soros and Bill Gates who paid the Wuhan Lab to weaponize the Communist Virus. The thousands of Californians killed by gunfire over the same period did not die in vain: Their deaths are a poetic tribute to the Almighty Gun which makes America so very very great.

And the death by knife was more important than the other 100,000 deaths all together. It PROVES that Guns do NOT kill people; instead people are killed by the hate-filled crypto-terrorists led by Brandon, Rachel Maddow and Mayor Pete the Homo.

By the way, I can't wait for one of the Real News-crazed fanbois here to point out the recovery rate is closer to 98% than to 99.9%. You guys must be laughably out-of-touch to think fact-based information is still relevant in today's America.

 

[thebeave]

Meanwhile, there is a massive homeless problem across the United States, not just in California. Ignoring them, jailing them, or letting them die in the streets is not a solution, although that seems to be the Republican program for dealing with the problem. If there is a breakdown in civil order regarding homeless people, it is with the inhumanity that so many people seem to feel when it comes to people who find themselves with no place to live. A large number suffer from drug and alcohol addiction, but the number is nowhere near what the fearmongers claim--somewhere between 25-40%, not the majority. Many even hold down jobs and live out of their cars.

Those who live out of cars need a safe place to park near public facilities where they can safely take care of personal hygiene and perhaps get other social services to help get them back on their feet. In the suburb of Seattle where I live, they are building a safe parking project for such people supported by our tax dollars. A few local churches have programs to help, but they do not provide enough such spaces to accommodate all who need them:

Bellevue to Pilot a Safe Parking Program for Unhoused Residents in Vehicles​

Is this just another misguided "woke" project to waste taxpayer dollars? Many people in this city (mainly conservatives) think so, but most people support doing something to help rather than just complaining about the problem and pretending it will go away if we ignore it and persecute those who happen to find their lives in a downward spiral.

Here in the state of California, political power has been in the hands of Democrats for decades (with some exception during the Ahnold years). The state legislature has been almost entirely blue since 1959. The blue wave goes all the down to the city level in many places, San Francisco (once a nice place and now a shithole...literally!) being a prominent example. The problems (crime, drug addiction, homelessness in particular) keep getting worse and worse every year, despite all the money and housing programs being thrown at it by our state and local governments. I don't know what the answer to all this is, but the current strategy sure isn't working. When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging, as they say. It may take decades to "put the toothpaste back in the tube", even if we did find the right way to deal with it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Meanwhile, there is a massive homeless problem across the United States, not just in California. Ignoring them, jailing them, or letting them die in the streets is not a solution, although that seems to be the Republican program for dealing with the problem. If there is a breakdown in civil order regarding homeless people, it is with the inhumanity that so many people seem to feel when it comes to people who find themselves with no place to live. A large number suffer from drug and alcohol addiction, but the number is nowhere near what the fearmongers claim--somewhere between 25-40%, not the majority. Many even hold down jobs and live out of their cars.

Those who live out of cars need a safe place to park near public facilities where they can safely take care of personal hygiene and perhaps get other social services to help get them back on their feet. In the suburb of Seattle where I live, they are building a safe parking project for such people supported by our tax dollars. A few local churches have programs to help, but they do not provide enough such spaces to accommodate all who need them:

Bellevue to Pilot a Safe Parking Program for Unhoused Residents in Vehicles​

Is this just another misguided "woke" project to waste taxpayer dollars? Many people in this city (mainly conservatives) think so, but most people support doing something to help rather than just complaining about the problem and pretending it will go away if we ignore it and persecute those who happen to find their lives in a downward spiral.

Here in the state of California, political power has been in the hands of Democrats for decades (with some exception during the Ahnold years). The state legislature has been almost entirely blue since 1959. The blue wave goes all the down to the city level in many places, San Francisco (once a nice place and now a shithole...literally!) being a prominent example. The problems (crime, drug addiction, homelessness in particular) keep getting worse and worse every year, despite all the money and housing programs being thrown at it by our state and local governments.

You mean they peaked in the 80s like everywhere else and dropped substantially over the next few decades and now numbers are starting to crawl back up? In the meantime, the blue state was the center of the silicon and e booms helping to grow California's GDP into one of the world's largest even when comparing them to the top nations in the world?

Is this the failure of democrat leadership you are talking about?

 

[prideandfall]

I don't know what the answer to all this is, but the current strategy sure isn't working. When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging, as they say. It may take decades to "put the toothpaste back in the tube", even if we did find the right way to deal with it.

IMO the problem is that the problem can't be solved after-the-fact, and this is ultimately the reason why Democrats have been powerless to put any kind of dent in the issue: they are inherently a conservative party, and dealing with the issue at the source requires progressive and liberal policies.

One of the major challenges with the entire homeless issue is that once a person becomes homeless, it's akin to being in prison: our society is structured in such a way that once you're there, nearly all of your options to get out of that situation are eliminated.
Substance abuse and mental illness is something we think of as a cause for homelessness but my experience says it's much more of a symptom - so many people find themselves unhoused for socioeconomic reasons, and then once there slide down into a spiral of madness that is caused by being homeless.

The biggest thing we can do is to eliminate homelessness before it happens, instead of flailing at trying to address it after it's already happened.

 

[Politesse]

I don't know what the answer to all this is, but the current strategy sure isn't working.

Then your political party is useless. Go home and let the adults work on solving the real problems, k?

 

[thebeave]

I don't know what the answer to all this is, but the current strategy sure isn't working.

Then your political party is useless. Go home and let the adults work on solving the real problems, k?

What's my political party?