Breakdown In Civil Order

[TV and credit cards]

Homes. Mental health services. Drug addiction services. Just what the state is doing.

So you’ve got you anti-camping ordinance. The answer without a solution. I guess if you’re homeless, you just walk around indefinitely.

Doesn't work.

Homes are a good solution for the economic homeless. They don't work on the mentally ill. Nor do mental health services--you have to want help for the doctors to have any ability to actually help you and in many cases there aren't good solutions.

It’s not like everyone who walks in off the street gets the deluxe package. It’s not a car wash now is it? There are targeted services for the individual’s needs or a family’s needs. It could be temporary housing, permanent housing, drug treatment, employment assistance, even hospice care so people don’t have to die alone on the street. It’s giving people the help they need. It’s also outreach, providing basic necessities for those who do not want to come in off the street.

 

[Gospel]

It's a good idea to fully legalize weed. And even for drugs that we do not want to actually legalize, it makes no sense to lock up end users. Sex work should also be fully legalized.

Every time you say this I can't help but smile. I really like this idea.

 

[laughing dog]

The people in the exchange of
"The Left just can’t live without Trump." followed by "Amen to that! If he did not exist, they'd have to invent him. "

None of which implies that there was no Left before Trump unless you read it in such a wooden literal sense that I am starting to seriously think you are some artificial intelligence experiment Jay and Zipr are running.
Good job guys. You had me going for a while here!

If the Left existed before Trump, that means it can live without Trump. If the Left existed before Trump, the Left would not need to invent Trump.
Perhaps you could use some artificial intelligence with a sarcasm detector add-on in helping your respond to posts.

 

[ZiprHead]

BEFORE RECENT WAVE OF TRAIN CARGO THEFTS, UNION PACIFIC LAID OFF UNSPECIFIED NUMBER OF ITS RAILROAD POLICE FORCE

News organizations both locally and nationally have been covering the rise of cargo theft in L.A.’s northeast train tracks in the past few days. Anchors on morning news have been quick to point out that there have been over 100 arrests, and even Forbes have been quick to point out the staggering $5 million worth of merchandise lifted. L.A. TACO first reported on this last November.

Union Pacific, the train company, has gone so far as blasting L.A. District Attorney George Gascon for his policy that has enabled this rampant rise in theft.

However, one major development that may be directly correlated with the rise in theft has continuously been left out: In September of 2020, due to pandemic-related budget cuts, Union Pacific laid off an unspecified number of employees across the railroad system. Including members of its railroad-only police force. Despite record profits in the billions in the last quarter of 2021.

A Union Pacific worker, who asked to remain nameless, came forward to L.A. TACO. In their opinion, the company should “shoulder some of the responsibility instead of just pointing fingers.”

The Union Pacific Police department has jurisdiction over the 32,000 miles of track Union Pacific owns. Many of these “special agents” used to patrol this now infamous stretch of track. According to the source, the number of patrolling officers has been cut from 50 to 60 agents to eight, which the worker thinks has led to an increase in train robberies.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

BEFORE RECENT WAVE OF TRAIN CARGO THEFTS, UNION PACIFIC LAID OFF UNSPECIFIED NUMBER OF ITS RAILROAD POLICE FORCE

News organizations both locally and nationally have been covering the rise of cargo theft in L.A.’s northeast train tracks in the past few days. Anchors on morning news have been quick to point out that there have been over 100 arrests, and even Forbes have been quick to point out the staggering $5 million worth of merchandise lifted. L.A. TACO first reported on this last November.

Union Pacific, the train company, has gone so far as blasting L.A. District Attorney George Gascon for his policy that has enabled this rampant rise in theft.

However, one major development that may be directly correlated with the rise in theft has continuously been left out: In September of 2020, due to pandemic-related budget cuts, Union Pacific laid off an unspecified number of employees across the railroad system. Including members of its railroad-only police force. Despite record profits in the billions in the last quarter of 2021.

A Union Pacific worker, who asked to remain nameless, came forward to L.A. TACO. In their opinion, the company should “shoulder some of the responsibility instead of just pointing fingers.”

The Union Pacific Police department has jurisdiction over the 32,000 miles of track Union Pacific owns. Many of these “special agents” used to patrol this now infamous stretch of track. According to the source, the number of patrolling officers has been cut from 50 to 60 agents to eight, which the worker thinks has led to an increase in train robberies.

"Unspecified" -- probably making a much bigger deal out of it than it really is.

 

[ZiprHead]

BEFORE RECENT WAVE OF TRAIN CARGO THEFTS, UNION PACIFIC LAID OFF UNSPECIFIED NUMBER OF ITS RAILROAD POLICE FORCE

News organizations both locally and nationally have been covering the rise of cargo theft in L.A.’s northeast train tracks in the past few days. Anchors on morning news have been quick to point out that there have been over 100 arrests, and even Forbes have been quick to point out the staggering $5 million worth of merchandise lifted. L.A. TACO first reported on this last November.

Union Pacific, the train company, has gone so far as blasting L.A. District Attorney George Gascon for his policy that has enabled this rampant rise in theft.

However, one major development that may be directly correlated with the rise in theft has continuously been left out: In September of 2020, due to pandemic-related budget cuts, Union Pacific laid off an unspecified number of employees across the railroad system. Including members of its railroad-only police force. Despite record profits in the billions in the last quarter of 2021.

A Union Pacific worker, who asked to remain nameless, came forward to L.A. TACO. In their opinion, the company should “shoulder some of the responsibility instead of just pointing fingers.”

The Union Pacific Police department has jurisdiction over the 32,000 miles of track Union Pacific owns. Many of these “special agents” used to patrol this now infamous stretch of track. According to the source, the number of patrolling officers has been cut from 50 to 60 agents to eight, which the worker thinks has led to an increase in train robberies.

"Unspecified" -- probably making a much bigger deal out of it than it really is.

Or making a smaller deal out of it than it really is.

I wonder how the thieves know which cars to hit. I bet they are getting inside information from a disgruntled laid-off ex-employee. It's not like the cars say "Amazon shipment" on the sides.

 

[thebeave]

BEFORE RECENT WAVE OF TRAIN CARGO THEFTS, UNION PACIFIC LAID OFF UNSPECIFIED NUMBER OF ITS RAILROAD POLICE FORCE

News organizations both locally and nationally have been covering the rise of cargo theft in L.A.’s northeast train tracks in the past few days. Anchors on morning news have been quick to point out that there have been over 100 arrests, and even Forbes have been quick to point out the staggering $5 million worth of merchandise lifted. L.A. TACO first reported on this last November.

Union Pacific, the train company, has gone so far as blasting L.A. District Attorney George Gascon for his policy that has enabled this rampant rise in theft.

However, one major development that may be directly correlated with the rise in theft has continuously been left out: In September of 2020, due to pandemic-related budget cuts, Union Pacific laid off an unspecified number of employees across the railroad system. Including members of its railroad-only police force. Despite record profits in the billions in the last quarter of 2021.

A Union Pacific worker, who asked to remain nameless, came forward to L.A. TACO. In their opinion, the company should “shoulder some of the responsibility instead of just pointing fingers.”

The Union Pacific Police department has jurisdiction over the 32,000 miles of track Union Pacific owns. Many of these “special agents” used to patrol this now infamous stretch of track. According to the source, the number of patrolling officers has been cut from 50 to 60 agents to eight, which the worker thinks has led to an increase in train robberies.

This very well could be part of the problem. Rarely is there a sole cause for society's ills. On the other hand, this sorta sounds like victim blaming, doesn't it? Like telling a rape victim that its her fault she got raped because she didn't have a bodyguard with her when she went for a walk, or that she should have taken a class in self defense.

 

[Jarhyn]

BEFORE RECENT WAVE OF TRAIN CARGO THEFTS, UNION PACIFIC LAID OFF UNSPECIFIED NUMBER OF ITS RAILROAD POLICE FORCE

News organizations both locally and nationally have been covering the rise of cargo theft in L.A.’s northeast train tracks in the past few days. Anchors on morning news have been quick to point out that there have been over 100 arrests, and even Forbes have been quick to point out the staggering $5 million worth of merchandise lifted. L.A. TACO first reported on this last November.

Union Pacific, the train company, has gone so far as blasting L.A. District Attorney George Gascon for his policy that has enabled this rampant rise in theft.

However, one major development that may be directly correlated with the rise in theft has continuously been left out: In September of 2020, due to pandemic-related budget cuts, Union Pacific laid off an unspecified number of employees across the railroad system. Including members of its railroad-only police force. Despite record profits in the billions in the last quarter of 2021.

A Union Pacific worker, who asked to remain nameless, came forward to L.A. TACO. In their opinion, the company should “shoulder some of the responsibility instead of just pointing fingers.”

The Union Pacific Police department has jurisdiction over the 32,000 miles of track Union Pacific owns. Many of these “special agents” used to patrol this now infamous stretch of track. According to the source, the number of patrolling officers has been cut from 50 to 60 agents to eight, which the worker thinks has led to an increase in train robberies.

This very well could be part of the problem. Rarely is there a sole cause for society's ills. On the other hand, this sorta sounds like victim blaming, doesn't it? Like telling a rape victim that its her fault she got raped because she didn't have a bodyguard with her when she went for a walk, or that she should have taken a class in self defense.

So, telling someone it is their fault for rolling a cart full of gold bars down the street in the inner city unarmed, unwatched, and unprotected that it's their fault they got robbed is entirely reasonable.

Some things it is unreasonable to expect of people anywhere to remain complacent.

Some things we recognize are just needlessly stupidly risky. Like leaving container ships unguarded.

Ok mean hell, I might not have bars on my windows but I do try to keep my door locked.

Some common sense protection is good, and the relaxation of security measures IS a big problem. Yes, don't rob, no, dont be doing exactly the thing that says "this here can be robbed without consequences".

I support the prosecution of crimes, of bringing consequence to evil acts. Sometimes that necessitates active security on juicy targets, preventing crimes of opportunity through preventing opportunity.

 

[Gospel]

Yeah I mean, it's obvious why Iran is not a place young American college girls have on their list of spring break locations. Some stuff is just obvious but god be damned if we say it.

 

[TSwizzle]

San Francisco is a shithole;

A new 'linkage center' aimed at connecting homeless street addicts with drug rehab facilities opened in San Francisco last week - but distressing images show an open air illicit drug consumption site that is now littered with needles and crowded with addicts shooting up in broad daylight. Images taken by DailyMail.com show a woman slumped over in a wheelchair, her pants down around her ankles, preparing to inject a needle into her thigh. The woman sitting on the ground next to her has a needle to her neck. Many others are sitting on the ground among trash, empty food containers and dirty blankets, as they fumble in with drug paraphernalia in the cold weather.

Daily Mail

 

[Politesse]

BEFORE RECENT WAVE OF TRAIN CARGO THEFTS, UNION PACIFIC LAID OFF UNSPECIFIED NUMBER OF ITS RAILROAD POLICE FORCE

News organizations both locally and nationally have been covering the rise of cargo theft in L.A.’s northeast train tracks in the past few days. Anchors on morning news have been quick to point out that there have been over 100 arrests, and even Forbes have been quick to point out the staggering $5 million worth of merchandise lifted. L.A. TACO first reported on this last November.

Union Pacific, the train company, has gone so far as blasting L.A. District Attorney George Gascon for his policy that has enabled this rampant rise in theft.

However, one major development that may be directly correlated with the rise in theft has continuously been left out: In September of 2020, due to pandemic-related budget cuts, Union Pacific laid off an unspecified number of employees across the railroad system. Including members of its railroad-only police force. Despite record profits in the billions in the last quarter of 2021.

A Union Pacific worker, who asked to remain nameless, came forward to L.A. TACO. In their opinion, the company should “shoulder some of the responsibility instead of just pointing fingers.”

The Union Pacific Police department has jurisdiction over the 32,000 miles of track Union Pacific owns. Many of these “special agents” used to patrol this now infamous stretch of track. According to the source, the number of patrolling officers has been cut from 50 to 60 agents to eight, which the worker thinks has led to an increase in train robberies.

"Unspecified" -- probably making a much bigger deal out of it than it really is.

Or making a smaller deal out of it than it really is.

I wonder how the thieves know which cars to hit. I bet they are getting inside information from a disgruntled laid-off ex-employee. It's not like the cars say "Amazon shipment" on the sides.

Well, going by the legal theory, posited in this thread, that their only motivation for the crime is to take advantage of a specific form of prosecutorial leniency, they'll have to choose a car that only has $1000 dollars of goods or less. Wouldn't want to grab the wrong box by accident and find out it to your doom that it has a $1,500 computer in it.

 

[Politesse]

San Francisco is a shithole;

A new 'linkage center' aimed at connecting homeless street addicts with drug rehab facilities opened in San Francisco last week - but distressing images show an open air illicit drug consumption site that is now littered with needles and crowded with addicts shooting up in broad daylight. Images taken by DailyMail.com show a woman slumped over in a wheelchair, her pants down around her ankles, preparing to inject a needle into her thigh. The woman sitting on the ground next to her has a needle to her neck. Many others are sitting on the ground among trash, empty food containers and dirty blankets, as they fumble in with drug paraphernalia in the cold weather.

Daily Mail

The linkage center has drug users outside of it? How shocking.

If only they hadn't built that linkage center, drug use would never have originated. Those people would be drug-free, productive workers right now if only no one had tried to connect them with rehab programs, dammit!

I truly wonder what it is like inside conservative brains, sometimes. The logic that leads people to imagine that refusing to solve a problem will result in never having had the problem at all must be fascinating to personally experience.

 

[Jarhyn]

San Francisco is a shithole;

A new 'linkage center' aimed at connecting homeless street addicts with drug rehab facilities opened in San Francisco last week - but distressing images show an open air illicit drug consumption site that is now littered with needles and crowded with addicts shooting up in broad daylight. Images taken by DailyMail.com show a woman slumped over in a wheelchair, her pants down around her ankles, preparing to inject a needle into her thigh. The woman sitting on the ground next to her has a needle to her neck. Many others are sitting on the ground among trash, empty food containers and dirty blankets, as they fumble in with drug paraphernalia in the cold weather.

Daily Mail

The linkage center has drug users outside of it? How shocking.

If only they hadn't built that linkage center, drug use would never have originated. Those people would be drug-free, productive workers right now if only no one had tried to connect them with rehab programs, dammit!

I truly wonder what it is like inside conservative brains, sometimes. The logic that leads people to imagine that refusing to solve a problem will result in never having had the problem at all must be fascinating to personally experience.

"NOT IN MY BACKYARD!!!!!11111" on loop.

More seriously, though, when I was trapped inside the conservosphere, it's just never framed that way. they see the problem, they see the thing they don't like, and they try to find some silver bullet to solve the problem.

 

[Emily Lake]

The linkage center has drug users outside of it? How shocking.

If only they hadn't built that linkage center, drug use would never have originated. Those people would be drug-free, productive workers right now if only no one had tried to connect them with rehab programs, dammit!

I truly wonder what it is like inside conservative brains, sometimes. The logic that leads people to imagine that refusing to solve a problem will result in never having had the problem at all must be fascinating to personally experience.

I'm not seeing that this is providing a solution to the problem. It looks like it might just be creating new and interesting problems on top of the existing problems.

But hey, never miss an opportunity to demean a "conservative" hey? That's really what it's all about. Fuck that whole desire for a clean and safe environment in which to live, who cares if it goes to shit as long as you can insult some "conservative" and feel like you're better than them, right?

 

[bilby]

The linkage center has drug users outside of it? How shocking.

If only they hadn't built that linkage center, drug use would never have originated. Those people would be drug-free, productive workers right now if only no one had tried to connect them with rehab programs, dammit!

I truly wonder what it is like inside conservative brains, sometimes. The logic that leads people to imagine that refusing to solve a problem will result in never having had the problem at all must be fascinating to personally experience.

I'm not seeing that this is providing a solution to the problem. It looks like it might just be creating new and interesting problems on top of the existing problems.

But hey, never miss an opportunity to demean a "conservative" hey? That's really what it's all about. Fuck that whole desire for a clean and safe environment in which to live, who cares if it goes to shit as long as you can insult some "conservative" and feel like you're better than them, right?

Anyone who isn't a conservative probably IS better than them, because conservatism is a cognitive error. It can be summarised as "Things are pretty good, and were even better in the past, therefore any change must be resisted unless it constitutes a reversion to past norms".

Worse, political conservatives typically add to the fundamental error by believing other things that are not true. With regards to law and order, this can typically be summarised by the twin falsehoods "Making something illegal will prevent it from occurring", and "If making something illegal fails to prevent it from occurring, that's because the laws are insufficiently cruel".

If you don't want people to act as though they are superior to you, you need to stop making yourself their inferior by the adoption of these three falsehoods as your primary political position. And if you don't subscribe to these falsehoods, you need to stop incorrectly calling yourself a conservative.

Conservatism is the political wing of nostalgia. It's just wilful stupidity, and the belief amongst conservatives that being called on their inferiority of thought is in itself the problem is a neat illustration of that inferiority. You're no less wrong if you somehow manage to browbeat your opponents into not telling you that you are wrong, by claiming that their observation is 'insulting'.

 

[TSwizzle]

The slide continues;

Michael Rapaport filmed the moment a brazen thief sauntered out of a Rite Aid in the Upper East side of New York City with two shopping bags full of stolen goods, calling it 'pathetic' that brazen crime continues to spiral in the Big Apple because of soft-on-crime policies. The actor and comedian, who posted footage of the incident on Instagram, told DailyMail.com that he was ‘disgusted’ and ‘surprised’ when he saw the thief stocking up on items from three different sections of the pharmacy before deciding he was satisfied. 'These criminals know there are no ramifications. We have to put more of these mfers in jail,' he said. The Rite Aid in the video, on 81st Street and 1st Avenue, is hit with thefts of the same nature on an almost daily basis, a security guard told Rapaport.

Daily Mail

I do hope the shoplifter was vaccinated.

 

[thebeave]

BEFORE RECENT WAVE OF TRAIN CARGO THEFTS, UNION PACIFIC LAID OFF UNSPECIFIED NUMBER OF ITS RAILROAD POLICE FORCE

News organizations both locally and nationally have been covering the rise of cargo theft in L.A.’s northeast train tracks in the past few days. Anchors on morning news have been quick to point out that there have been over 100 arrests, and even Forbes have been quick to point out the staggering $5 million worth of merchandise lifted. L.A. TACO first reported on this last November.

Union Pacific, the train company, has gone so far as blasting L.A. District Attorney George Gascon for his policy that has enabled this rampant rise in theft.

However, one major development that may be directly correlated with the rise in theft has continuously been left out: In September of 2020, due to pandemic-related budget cuts, Union Pacific laid off an unspecified number of employees across the railroad system. Including members of its railroad-only police force. Despite record profits in the billions in the last quarter of 2021.

A Union Pacific worker, who asked to remain nameless, came forward to L.A. TACO. In their opinion, the company should “shoulder some of the responsibility instead of just pointing fingers.”

The Union Pacific Police department has jurisdiction over the 32,000 miles of track Union Pacific owns. Many of these “special agents” used to patrol this now infamous stretch of track. According to the source, the number of patrolling officers has been cut from 50 to 60 agents to eight, which the worker thinks has led to an increase in train robberies.

Well, the good news is that Gov Newsom is out on the tracks helping clean up the mess:



Obviously, its just PR stunt/virtue signaling. What I find amusing in the clip is how he is careful to not offend the perpetrators of these crimes. Backtracking on calling them "gangs" (apparently that's not PC enough), and instead referring to them as "organized groups of folks". How about worrying about the victims of these crimes, and not the god damn thugs who did it? Jesus fucking Christ. This is madness.

I wonder if he looks at the huge mess on the tracks, and says to himself, "Oh. Did I do that?"/Steve Urkel

 

[TSwizzle]

Newsom actually said "forgive me for saying gangs". What an insufferable prick this man is.

 

[Gospel]

Yo man, I'm embarrassed to have to admit Derec is laying the smackdown up in here. Though not the most important/strongest point he made I really appreciated this one:

Yeezy's are fugly overpriced sneakers associated with Kanye West. Who is a US rapper.

facts

Guillotines is quite a bit overdramatic. And we should not equate the poor with the criminal element. In fact, the poor are often the victims of the criminals that these fauxgressives are coddling.

Yup, agree that not all poor people are criminals so poverty is not the sole proprietor of crime. We'd be nuts, however, to not notice that the sorts of crimes you and I may consider worthy of prison for example theft & violent crimes (including rape) seem to occur the most in areas of low wealth. What is there to do?

I've brained stormed a lot on this stuff cause I live (well not so much now but many of my friends still do) in the midst of this shit. I know off the back Police Officers aren't paid enough, it's as if life is worth only 30k to 60k a year. My wife works at Publix and she makes 40k a year. I mean god damn man, like wtf? I totally expect the force to be filled with low-quality talent at that rate. Maybe adding funding state police (not with weapons, they're doing just fine there) so that officers can get paid more to the military budget would be a good idea (since that budget is so god damn LARGE).


Also Would including the generation of wealth along with appropriate safety nets be a better approach? I'm aware that the government does stuff like loans to small businesses (including startups) but what I'm talking about is the federal government working with state governments to directly buy properties, make improvements, and hire long time law-abiding members of that affected community to operate them as owners of said investments. Essentially they'd be state or county workers that get profit-sharing. The business of choice would require a strict examination of the market trends, local demographics, and other big-brained shit I can't imagine.

If it fails so fucking what, it's not like welfare checks get returned anyway at least we're trying to attack the issue of low wealth in the area by making private investments there more attractive instead of just giving officers shit bags for pay while handing poor folks money and walking away like they won't just need more later.

END RANT

 

[Jarhyn]

Yo man, I'm embarrassed to have to admit Derec is laying the smackdown up in here. Though not the most important/strongest point he made I really appreciated this one:

Yeezy's are fugly overpriced sneakers associated with Kanye West. Who is a US rapper.

facts

Guillotines is quite a bit overdramatic. And we should not equate the poor with the criminal element. In fact, the poor are often the victims of the criminals that these fauxgressives are coddling.

Yup, agree that not all poor people are criminals so poverty is not the sole proprietor of crime. We'd be nuts, however, to not notice that the sorts of crimes you and I may consider worthy of prison for example theft & violent crimes (including rape) seem to occur the most in areas of low wealth. What is there to do?

I've brained stormed a lot on this stuff cause I live (well not so much now but many of my friends still do) in the midst of this shit. I know off the back Police Officers aren't paid enough, it's as if life is worth only 30k to 60k a year. My wife works at Publix and she makes 40k a year. I mean god damn man, like wtf? I totally expect the force to be filled with low-quality talent at that rate. Maybe adding funding state police (not with weapons, they're doing just fine there) so that officers can get paid more to the military budget would be a good idea (since that budget is so god damn LARGE).


Also Would including the generation of wealth along with appropriate safety nets be a better approach? I'm aware that the government does stuff like loans to small businesses (including startups) but what I'm talking about is the federal government working with state governments to directly buy properties, make improvements, and hire long time law-abiding members of that affected community to operate them as owners of said investments. Essentially they'd be state or county workers that get profit-sharing. The business of choice would require a strict examination of the market trends, local demographics, and other big-brained shit I can't imagine.

If it fails so fucking what, it's not like welfare checks get returned anyway at least we're trying to attack the issue of low wealth in the area by making private investments there more attractive instead of just giving officers shit bags for pay while handing poor folks money and walking away like they won't just need more later.

END RANT

It's a good rant and entirely on point.

I will include that more educational spending, spending more on teachers, spending more on the livelihoods of families with children, might also help.

Being poor shouldn't also be a sentence to lifelong ignorance, and for every smart kid that makes it out of poverty that's one less smart criminal later.