Charlie Kirk shot at (shot?) in Utah

[GenesisNemesis]

"A lot of conservatives are Nazis/fascists/racists? That's an unfair generalization and ridiculous! But anyway, trans people are sexual predators!"

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Please enlighten us because I don't 'understand where it's coming from' if my understanding that it comes from a place of ignorance and bigotry and hatred is incorrect.

I believe that psychopathy is a mental illness. I think it's a mental defect that should not be normalized. I think psychopaths should receive mental health care, and in some cases that might mean that psychopaths may need to be institutionalized for the safety of the rest of society.

I don't hate psychopaths, nor do I think my view on the treatment of psychopaths is motivated by bigotry. Do you think I'm motivated by hatred and bigotry?

Charlie Kirk's record shows this isn’t just about a neutral "mental health" framing, and that's why the analogy to psychopaths doesn't really capture what's going on. A few examples (not exhaustive):

• Propaganda framing: He has pushed the false claim that trans people are overrepresented in mass shootings. That isn't about "mental illness," it’s about manufacturing fear.
• Targeted insults: He has said (paraphrased): "Adults who think they're the opposite sex are mentally ill. Minors who think they're the opposite sex mean their mothers are mentally ill." That's not a diagnosis--it's an intentionally demeaning soundbite for his base.
• The 1950s-60s remark: He explicitly said trans people should be "taken care of" the way they were in the 50s and 60s. As noted before, this has become a political issue only in the early 2000s. So Kirk could have appealed to the 70s, 80s, or 90s, but he specifically chose the 50s and 60s. So, this is not modern institutionalization. In that era, "care" often meant forced sedation, lobotomies, electroshock "aversion therapy," or indefinite confinement. Outside institutions, it also meant criminalization, police harassment, job loss, ostracism, and physical violence.

So when you compare trans people to psychopaths in this context, you're repeating one of the core pieces of propaganda--that trans people are uniquely dangerous to society and must be controlled. The analogy breaks down, because psychopaths are defined in part by their lack of empathy toward others. Trans people are not.

 

[Jarhyn]

Do we need to find ways to safeguard "women" from predator "women" who use their shared "woman" status as cover to predate?

No...

So, then, you don't actually care about women...

You just hate trans people.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That's the position we're in though.

They want bloody conflict. They advocate for it publicly and unmistakably through their rhetoric. Even the most uneducated, alcoholic whoremonger has been told they're in God's army. Got Wit Uss. History is replete with bloody examples of what happens when God is on your side.

Democrats have a hand in this too. Seriously, Democrats have spent nearly a decade constantly telling the public that Republicans are fascists - loudly, on TV, over and over again. Their supporters, including several on this site, have spent more than a decade insisting that conservatives and even sometimes independents are nazis, or at least nazi adjacent.

That is false.

Also, as a reminder, the W Admin tortured detainees, used a fake Terror Threat alert system to protect itself, and lied the US into an invasion of Iraq that got thousands of US military personnel killed or seriously maimed (not to mention destabilizing an area that saw over 1 million people become displaced).

Trump comes in, anti-Semites went marching in Virginia with one running over a person killing them. Trump provided a pardon to everyone that stormed the US Capitol building in a Fascist attempt to steal an election, after of course, failing to steal the election by holding fake Legislature meetings and claiming in public (but not court) the election was fraudulent. And right now, Trump is running the US Government solely from the Executive Branch, breaking laws on trade and spending.

What in the heck do you want to call these actions?

The right is on a bender, but so is the left.

As you like to say, that is a Moore-Coulter.

And if you don't think that Democrats are partially responsible for the state we find ourselves in, then you are naively and blindly partisan.

HAW!

 

[Jarhyn]

And if you don't think that Democrats are partially responsible for the state we find ourselves in, then you are naively and blindly partisan.

HAW!

Well, certain classes of mealy-mouthed "centrist" Democrats who didn't do the needful and actually step up against the administration and the captured press, sure.

They are responsible for not doing enough.

And because Emily claims not to be a Nazi but a Democrat of some variety, and she is clearly not doing anything useful but spitting Whataboutisms, the Venn diagram between the "Democrats" who are "partially responsible" for this and the "Democrats" that Emily represents looks... Pretty much like a simple circle.

 

[WAB]

Do we need to find ways to safeguard "women" from predator "women" who use their shared "woman" status as cover to predate?

No...

So, then, you don't actually care about women...

You just hate trans people.

Wow! Way to quote someone! Lol.