Charlie Kirk shot at (shot?) in Utah

[Politesse]

LGBTQIA persons are more likely to be victims of sexual violence compared with cis straight persons. They are not more likely to commit sexual assaults.

More likely is an understatement. I don't know any queer people who were out as a youth, and didn't get sexually abused by soneone close to them.

And I know precious few women who were not sexually assaulted at some point in their lives. Usually by males.

Sexual assault is known to be significantly under-reported. Period.

We need to address this much more openly and much better.

Scapegoating an infinitessimally small minority doesn't accomplish that, though. Quite the opposite. If the civilian police force is engaged primarily hunting down "antifa terorrists" for using the wrong bathrooms or wanting to play junior high tennis without being misgendered, who is investigating actual sexual assaults?

 

[Emily Lake]

Please enlighten us because I don't 'understand where it's coming from' if my understanding that it comes from a place of ignorance and bigotry and hatred is incorrect.

I believe that psychopathy is a mental illness. I think it's a mental defect that should not be normalized. I think psychopaths should receive mental health care, and in some cases that might mean that psychopaths may need to be institutionalized for the safety of the rest of society.

I don't hate psychopaths, nor do I think my view on the treatment of psychopaths is motivated by bigotry. Do you think I'm motivated by hatred and bigotry?

I believe that pedophiles are mentally ill. I think that being sexually attracted to prepubescent children is a mental defect and should not be normalized. I think pedophiles should receive mental health care, and in some cases that might mean pedophiles may need to be sterilized or institutionalized for the safety of the rest of society.

I don't hate pedophiles, and I don't think that viewing pedophilia as a mental illness is bigotry. Do you think I'm motivated by hatred and bigotry?

I think that sexual sadists are mentally ill. I think that being turned on by and achieving sexual gratification from causing other people pain is a mental defect and should not be normalized. I think sexual sadists should receive mental health care, and in some cases that might mean that sexual sadists may need to be sterilized or institutionalized for the safety of the rest of society.

I don't hate sexual sadists, and I don't think my viewing sexual sadism as a mental illness is bigotry. Do you think I'm motivated by hatred and bigotry?

I believe that schizophrenics are mentally ill. I think schizophrenia is a mental defect and should not be normalized. I think schizophrenics should receive mental health care, and in some cases that might mean that schizophrenics may need to be institutionalized for the safety of the rest of society.

I don't hate schizophrenics, and I don't think my view of schizophrenia as a mental illness is bigotry. Do you think I'm motivated by hatred and bigotry?

Let's stretch this a bit. I believe that people with cross-species identities are mentally ill. I think genuinely believing you're an animal on the inside is a mental defect and should not be normalized. I think people with cross-species identities should receive mental health care, and in some cases that might mean they need to be institutionalized for the safety of themselves and the rest of society.

I don't hate people with cross-species identities, and I don't think my view of cross-species identities as a mental illness is bigotry. Do you think I'm motivated by hatred and bigotry?

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Now. Provisionally accept that Kirk genuinely believes that transgender people are mentally ill and need mental health treatment. You don't have to believe the same thing - I'm only asking that you accept that Kirk genuinely believes it.

If Kirk genuinely believes that transgender people are mentally ill and need mental health treatment... then it's entirely possible that his view and his statements are motivated by compassion for transgender people as well as care for the rest of society.

Again - you don't have to think transgender people are mentally ill in order to accept that Kirk believes it to be true.

If you can provisionally accept that Kirk believes this, then calling him a bigot motivated by hatred accomplishes nothing at all. It's ineffective, and you're fighting the wrong fight. Were he still alive, I would say that the only effective way to alter his approach is to challenge his belief, and change his mind.

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You can't deconvert a christian (or any other religious person for that matter) by calling them names and saying they're hateful. The only way you can deconvert them is to successfully convince them that their belief is in error.

A lot of people used to believe that people other than white people were less intelligent and less capable of feeling pain.

A lot of people used to believe that girls abd women were less competent than boys and men at pretty much everything. They also believed that girls or women who wanted to get an education or an education beyond very elementary learning were mentally ill. A woman who was not ‘chaste’ or who seemed to enjoy sex was deemed mentally ill. Women were often institutionalized by males in their family if they were inconvenient—you know, wanted to control their bodies or own property or have a sex life.

A lot of people believed that every non straight non cis person was mentally ill.

Some people still believe some or all of those things.

I believe that such people are bigots, no matter how sincerely held their bigoted beliefs.

JFC, Toni. You didn't answer a single one of my questions, nor did you address anything I actually wrote. You have completely ignored the context and meaning of my post. I get it - you think it's bigoted. I haven't suggested that YOU should change your mind about it. But for fuck's sake, your response lacks comprehension and actual thought.

Look - I very, very, very strongly believe that nearly all muslims are sexist assholes, and I view their beliefs as being bigoted. Here's the deal though - almost none of those muslims view their own beliefs as being bigoted. They believe that their views on women are a reflection of reality, god's will, and necessary for the safety of women and the well -being of men.

I think it's stupid and sexist - you undoubtedly think it's stupid and sexist.

But I can understand their perspective enough to comprehend that they do not think they're MOTIVATED by either hatred or bigotry. And if I want to change their mind about it, and actually effect a change, you and I both need to be able to understand where their belief comes from, and how they think about it, and to address that belief.

Honesty to FSM, for all the people here who harp on about empathy being such a preeminent value, and so important to society, a huge number of you completely lack actual real empathy. Let alone sympathy. This inability to consider a topic from someone else's point of view than your own, to comprehend what someone else's beliefs and values actually are to them - it's a barrier that makes it impossible for you to accomplish anything, and it leads you to make shallow and malicious assumptions about other people. Not you specifically, Toni, lots of posters here.

 

[WAB]

I resent the notion that any kind of unpopular view must come from hate. I don't see any hate coming from Emily or Bomb#20, in fact quite the contrary. They don't deserve the shit they've been handed.

I was sexually assaulted when I was on a camping trip with a bunch of guys from school. I'm a small guy and not a tough guy, and he was drunk as fuck and much bigger. It sucks. I can easily understand if a woman is uncomfortable around men in the bathroom, dressing room, etc. Why in the fuck we should haul these women up as evil and hateful is beyond me.

Have you proposed involuntarily committing all big guys as a punishment for what that specific one did? The hateful part isn't that she has those feelings, the hateful part is what she wants done to innocent people because of those feelings. As a person I don't feel comfortable walking around in certain neighborhoods of my city, but I don't go online and demand that they all be bulldozed and their residents dehomed. People's feelings are their own, but only until they channel those feelings into acts of hatred and violence towards others. That's when a line has to be drawn.

Egads! You are not arguing in good faith!

What does Em "want done to INNOCENT people"?

In this very thread she demands institutionalization of "psychopaths". And if Emily doesn't want to be associated with Kirk's views, defending them in an open forum is a funny strategy for avoiding that.

Okay, I will look for this demand, and probably get back to you.

Em did not defend Kirk's views. She's an atheist and not some nutball Dominionist, and she certainly does not think women should be barefoot and pregnant! Like Bomb, she was trying to explain his views, in the respect that they did not all have to come from hate. Ie, if he truly believed transgenders were mentally ill, than that belief was not absolutely, necessarily one of hate. Maybe it was! I would not doubt that! He had despicable views. Bomb called the man a dirtbag, but due to lack of comprehension and/or deliberate misrepresentation, or a combination of both, he was dragged through the mud and hauled up as a bigot and worse. l'll be next, and it's already starting.

I've not called you or Bomb#20 a dirtbag, nor am I likely to start. For one thing, I don't do name-calling, at least not from my perspective. Yes, I know that talking about fascism or bigotry is taken as a personal insult by many, but to me those are descriptors of political stances, not types of people. Not the same thing as calling someone a "jerk" or a "poopoo head" or an "orange menace", etc, which I have always disapproved of.

For another, my interpretation of Emily as a bad-faith "gender critical" activist comes from her many years of pushing anti-trans rhetoric on this forum. I actually have no idea what she's like as a person, no doubt she has many admirable traits, but I do know a lot about how she behaves on IIDB: always on the attack, always focused on the culture war issues of the week. You have no such history as far as I am aware. If anything, I'm surprised to see you getting so involved in a dogshit political scrap like this thread, you usually avoid them it seems to me, though of course everyone is welcome to join in on the food fight. What else do we all have to do while the Empire crumbles around us?

As a forumer, Bomb#20 in practice is a lot like what Emily likes to claims she is, a generally polite moderate-leaning type capable of listening and learning at times, pushing back at others. To the limited extent that can actually know anyone, I think I'd like Bomb as a person despite our many disagreements. I think we'd be able to sit down and have the proverbial talk over beers without much incident.

Actually I do have such a history. I went through a bad phase wherein I was very mentally off and beset with religious mania. It was by no means a short period. I acted like a complete dick quite often, and espoused views that most here would call right wing, because I believed that was what God botherers were supposed to do. I was using drugs and ignored my meds.

With treatment and medication I came back to myself. I opt to stay out of most heavy arguments now, because I have trouble typing and get upset easily.

 

[Emily Lake]

What's with the eyerolls? Still not going to admit we know Project 2025 is happening and the impact it will have on marginalized groups?

Project 2025 is being implemented with gusto by that creep Russell Vought who is the real power behind the stupid evil Trump. There is no way that stupid Trump could think up all of the thousands of his executive orders. Vought is pulling all the strings. And Trump loves it. The destruction of a Nation.

Crowing ad nauseum about how your opponent is evil over and over again, framing them as the absolute worst possible person... that's the tactics used by the inquisition, jihadists, and authoritarians across the world and throughout time.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

I resent the notion that any kind of unpopular view must come from hate. I don't see any hate coming from Emily or Bomb#20, in fact quite the contrary. They don't deserve the shit they've been handed.

I was sexually assaulted when I was on a camping trip with a bunch of guys from school. I'm a small guy and not a tough guy, and he was drunk as fuck and much bigger. It sucks. I can easily understand if a woman is uncomfortable around men in the bathroom, dressing room, etc. Why in the fuck we should haul these women up as evil and hateful is beyond me.

Have you proposed involuntarily committing all big guys as a punishment for what that specific one did? The hateful part isn't that she has those feelings, the hateful part is what she wants done to innocent people because of those feelings. As a person I don't feel comfortable walking around in certain neighborhoods of my city, but I don't go online and demand that they all be bulldozed and their residents dehomed. People's feelings are their own, but only until they channel those feelings into acts of hatred and violence towards others. That's when a line has to be drawn.

Egads! You are not arguing in good faith!

What does Em "want done to INNOCENT people"?

In this very thread she demands institutionalization of "psychopaths". And if Emily doesn't want to be associated with Kirk's views, defending them in an open forum is a funny strategy for avoiding that.

Okay, I will look for this demand, and probably get back to you.

Em did not defend Kirk's views. She's an atheist and not some nutball Dominionist, and she certainly does not think women should be barefoot and pregnant! Like Bomb, she was trying to explain his views, in the respect that they did not all have to come from hate. Ie, if he truly believed transgenders were mentally ill, than that belief was not absolutely, necessarily one of hate. Maybe it was! I would not doubt that! He had despicable views. Bomb called the man a dirtbag, but due to lack of comprehension and/or deliberate misrepresentation, or a combination of both, he was dragged through the mud and hauled up as a bigot and worse. l'll be next, and it's already starting.

I've not called you or Bomb#20 a dirtbag, nor am I likely to start. For one thing, I don't do name-calling, at least not from my perspective. Yes, I know that talking about fascism or bigotry is taken as a personal insult by many, but to me those are descriptors of political stances, not types of people. Not the same thing as calling someone a "jerk" or a "poopoo head" or an "orange menace", etc, which I have always disapproved of.

For another, my interpretation of Emily as a bad-faith "gender critical" activist comes from her many years of pushing anti-trans rhetoric on this forum. I actually have no idea what she's like as a person, no doubt she has many admirable traits, but I do know a lot about how she behaves on IIDB: always on the attack, always focused on the culture war issues of the week. You have no such history as far as I am aware. If anything, I'm surprised to see you getting so involved in a dogshit political scrap like this thread, you usually avoid them it seems to me, though of course everyone is welcome to join in on the food fight. What else do we all have to do while the Empire crumbles around us?

As a forumer, Bomb#20 in practice is a lot like what Emily likes to claims she is, a generally polite moderate-leaning type capable of listening and learning at times, pushing back at others. To the limited extent that can actually know anyone, I think I'd like Bomb as a person despite our many disagreements. I think we'd be able to sit down and have the proverbial talk over beers without much incident.

Actually I do have such a history. I went through a bad phase wherein I was very mentally off and beset with religious mania. It was by no means a short period. I acted like a complete dick quite often, and espoused views that most here would call right wing, because I believed that was what God botherers were supposed to do. I was using drugs and ignored my meds.

With treatment and medication I came back to myself. I opt to stay out of most heavy arguments now, because I have trouble typing and get upset easily.

I get upset too but when people like Emily downplay the horrible shit RFK Jr. believes about autistic prople, as someone on the autism spectrum. Or upset when someone like Emily denies Project 2025 is happening, as someone who simply doesn't want religion forced on myself or others.

 

[WAB]

I resent the notion that any kind of unpopular view must come from hate. I don't see any hate coming from Emily or Bomb#20, in fact quite the contrary. They don't deserve the shit they've been handed.

I was sexually assaulted when I was on a camping trip with a bunch of guys from school. I'm a small guy and not a tough guy, and he was drunk as fuck and much bigger. It sucks. I can easily understand if a woman is uncomfortable around men in the bathroom, dressing room, etc. Why in the fuck we should haul these women up as evil and hateful is beyond me.

Have you proposed involuntarily committing all big guys as a punishment for what that specific one did? The hateful part isn't that she has those feelings, the hateful part is what she wants done to innocent people because of those feelings. As a person I don't feel comfortable walking around in certain neighborhoods of my city, but I don't go online and demand that they all be bulldozed and their residents dehomed. People's feelings are their own, but only until they channel those feelings into acts of hatred and violence towards others. That's when a line has to be drawn.

Egads! You are not arguing in good faith!

What does Em "want done to INNOCENT people"?

In this very thread she demands institutionalization of "psychopaths". And if Emily doesn't want to be associated with Kirk's views, defending them in an open forum is a funny strategy for avoiding that.

In post 1381, Emily wrote:

"I believe that psychopathy is a mental illness. I think it's a mental defect that should not be normalized. I think psychopaths should receive mental health care, and in some cases that might mean that psychopaths may need to be institutionalized for the safety of the rest of society."

Does that sound like she "demands" institutionalization?

 

[Toni]

LGBTQIA persons are more likely to be victims of sexual violence compared with cis straight persons. They are not more likely to commit sexual assaults.

More likely is an understatement. I don't know any queer people who were out as a youth, and didn't get sexually abused by soneone close to them.

And I know precious few women who were not sexually assaulted at some point in their lives. Usually by males.

Sexual assault is known to be significantly under-reported. Period.

We need to address this much more openly and much better.

Scapegoating an infinitessimally small minority doesn't accomplish that, though. Quite the opposite. If the civilian police force is engaged primarily hunting down "antifa terorrists" for using the wrong bathrooms or wanting to play junior high tennis without being misgendered, who is investigating actual sexual assaults?

I have no interest in scapegoating anyone. I do not believe that transgender people are more likely to assault anybody—full stop.

I do see the necessity of doing more to ensure the safety of everyone.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Oh yeah and I get upset when someone like Emily denies the way the current administration is treating immigrants is Nazi-like.

 

[Toni]

Please enlighten us because I don't 'understand where it's coming from' if my understanding that it comes from a place of ignorance and bigotry and hatred is incorrect.

I believe that psychopathy is a mental illness. I think it's a mental defect that should not be normalized. I think psychopaths should receive mental health care, and in some cases that might mean that psychopaths may need to be institutionalized for the safety of the rest of society.

I don't hate psychopaths, nor do I think my view on the treatment of psychopaths is motivated by bigotry. Do you think I'm motivated by hatred and bigotry?

I believe that pedophiles are mentally ill. I think that being sexually attracted to prepubescent children is a mental defect and should not be normalized. I think pedophiles should receive mental health care, and in some cases that might mean pedophiles may need to be sterilized or institutionalized for the safety of the rest of society.

I don't hate pedophiles, and I don't think that viewing pedophilia as a mental illness is bigotry. Do you think I'm motivated by hatred and bigotry?

I think that sexual sadists are mentally ill. I think that being turned on by and achieving sexual gratification from causing other people pain is a mental defect and should not be normalized. I think sexual sadists should receive mental health care, and in some cases that might mean that sexual sadists may need to be sterilized or institutionalized for the safety of the rest of society.

I don't hate sexual sadists, and I don't think my viewing sexual sadism as a mental illness is bigotry. Do you think I'm motivated by hatred and bigotry?

I believe that schizophrenics are mentally ill. I think schizophrenia is a mental defect and should not be normalized. I think schizophrenics should receive mental health care, and in some cases that might mean that schizophrenics may need to be institutionalized for the safety of the rest of society.

I don't hate schizophrenics, and I don't think my view of schizophrenia as a mental illness is bigotry. Do you think I'm motivated by hatred and bigotry?

Let's stretch this a bit. I believe that people with cross-species identities are mentally ill. I think genuinely believing you're an animal on the inside is a mental defect and should not be normalized. I think people with cross-species identities should receive mental health care, and in some cases that might mean they need to be institutionalized for the safety of themselves and the rest of society.

I don't hate people with cross-species identities, and I don't think my view of cross-species identities as a mental illness is bigotry. Do you think I'm motivated by hatred and bigotry?

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Now. Provisionally accept that Kirk genuinely believes that transgender people are mentally ill and need mental health treatment. You don't have to believe the same thing - I'm only asking that you accept that Kirk genuinely believes it.

If Kirk genuinely believes that transgender people are mentally ill and need mental health treatment... then it's entirely possible that his view and his statements are motivated by compassion for transgender people as well as care for the rest of society.

Again - you don't have to think transgender people are mentally ill in order to accept that Kirk believes it to be true.

If you can provisionally accept that Kirk believes this, then calling him a bigot motivated by hatred accomplishes nothing at all. It's ineffective, and you're fighting the wrong fight. Were he still alive, I would say that the only effective way to alter his approach is to challenge his belief, and change his mind.

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You can't deconvert a christian (or any other religious person for that matter) by calling them names and saying they're hateful. The only way you can deconvert them is to successfully convince them that their belief is in error.

A lot of people used to believe that people other than white people were less intelligent and less capable of feeling pain.

A lot of people used to believe that girls abd women were less competent than boys and men at pretty much everything. They also believed that girls or women who wanted to get an education or an education beyond very elementary learning were mentally ill. A woman who was not ‘chaste’ or who seemed to enjoy sex was deemed mentally ill. Women were often institutionalized by males in their family if they were inconvenient—you know, wanted to control their bodies or own property or have a sex life.

A lot of people believed that every non straight non cis person was mentally ill.

Some people still believe some or all of those things.

I believe that such people are bigots, no matter how sincerely held their bigoted beliefs.

JFC, Toni. You didn't answer a single one of my questions, nor did you address anything I actually wrote. You have completely ignored the context and meaning of my post. I get it - you think it's bigoted. I haven't suggested that YOU should change your mind about it. But for fuck's sake, your response lacks comprehension and actual thought.

Look - I very, very, very strongly believe that nearly all muslims are sexist assholes, and I view their beliefs as being bigoted. Here's the deal though - almost none of those muslims view their own beliefs as being bigoted. They believe that their views on women are a reflection of reality, god's will, and necessary for the safety of women and the well -being of men.

I think it's stupid and sexist - you undoubtedly think it's stupid and sexist.

But I can understand their perspective enough to comprehend that they do not think they're MOTIVATED by either hatred or bigotry. And if I want to change their mind about it, and actually effect a change, you and I both need to be able to understand where their belief comes from, and how they think about it, and to address that belief.

Honesty to FSM, for all the people here who harp on about empathy being such a preeminent value, and so important to society, a huge number of you completely lack actual real empathy. Let alone sympathy. This inability to consider a topic from someone else's point of view than your own, to comprehend what someone else's beliefs and values actually are to them - it's a barrier that makes it impossible for you to accomplish anything, and it leads you to make shallow and malicious assumptions about other people. Not you specifically, Toni, lots of posters here.

I’m not obligated to address any or most of your points to make a response to your posts.

My experience has taught me differently than yours seems to have taught you.

In my experience, most Muslims, most Jews, most Christians ( all denominations), most atheists, most Sikhs, most (fill in the blank) are not assholes. But yes, I’ve known assholes of every race, religion and creed, including atheists and agnostics. Most of us are assholes at least some times. Most of us have our own bigotries. I used to be quite bigoted against tiny dogs but sure enough, my kids got some tiny dogs and I love them and have recognized that it’s not tiny dogs or any particular color, size or breed of dog who is objectionable but some of their people certainly fail to respect boundaries or teach their pets decent behavior.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

What's with the eyerolls? Still not going to admit we know Project 2025 is happening and the impact it will have on marginalized groups?

Project 2025 is being implemented with gusto by that creep Russell Vought who is the real power behind the stupid evil Trump. There is no way that stupid Trump could think up all of the thousands of his executive orders. Vought is pulling all the strings. And Trump loves it. The destruction of a Nation.

Crowing ad nauseum about how your opponent is evil over and over again, framing them as the absolute worst possible person... that's the tactics used by the inquisition, jihadists, and authoritarians across the world and throughout time.

Then stop doing it.

 

[crazyfingers]

What's with the eyerolls? Still not going to admit we know Project 2025 is happening and the impact it will have on marginalized groups?

Project 2025 is being implemented with gusto by that creep Russell Vought who is the real power behind the stupid evil Trump. There is no way that stupid Trump could think up all of the thousands of his executive orders. Vought is pulling all the strings. And Trump loves it. The destruction of a Nation.

Crowing ad nauseum about how your opponent is evil over and over again, framing them as the absolute worst possible person... that's the tactics used by the inquisition, jihadists, and authoritarians across the world and throughout time.

Trump has zero personal or professional redeeming qualities. He does evil every day.

He is a liar, lawless, he loves cruelty, is a fascist and a self-damitted sexual prediror by the hollywood tspes. He is a racist, sexist pig.

He,s a homophobe, trans phobe and islamophobe

He claimed to have no knowledge if project 2025 but he is inflicting it as fast as he cam.

Zero good qualities. 100% bad qualities.

He is vomenting political violence and want to punish everyone he sees against him.

 

[Politesse]

I resent the notion that any kind of unpopular view must come from hate. I don't see any hate coming from Emily or Bomb#20, in fact quite the contrary. They don't deserve the shit they've been handed.

I was sexually assaulted when I was on a camping trip with a bunch of guys from school. I'm a small guy and not a tough guy, and he was drunk as fuck and much bigger. It sucks. I can easily understand if a woman is uncomfortable around men in the bathroom, dressing room, etc. Why in the fuck we should haul these women up as evil and hateful is beyond me.

Have you proposed involuntarily committing all big guys as a punishment for what that specific one did? The hateful part isn't that she has those feelings, the hateful part is what she wants done to innocent people because of those feelings. As a person I don't feel comfortable walking around in certain neighborhoods of my city, but I don't go online and demand that they all be bulldozed and their residents dehomed. People's feelings are their own, but only until they channel those feelings into acts of hatred and violence towards others. That's when a line has to be drawn.

Egads! You are not arguing in good faith!

What does Em "want done to INNOCENT people"?

In this very thread she demands institutionalization of "psychopaths". And if Emily doesn't want to be associated with Kirk's views, defending them in an open forum is a funny strategy for avoiding that.

In post 1381, Emily wrote:

"I believe that psychopathy is a mental illness. I think it's a mental defect that should not be normalized. I think psychopaths should receive mental health care, and in some cases that might mean that psychopaths may need to be institutionalized for the safety of the rest of society."

Does that sound like she "demands" institutionalization?

Yes, obviously.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What's with the eyerolls? Still not going to admit we know Project 2025 is happening and the impact it will have on marginalized groups?

Project 2025 is being implemented with gusto by that creep Russell Vought who is the real power behind the stupid evil Trump. There is no way that stupid Trump could think up all of the thousands of his executive orders. Vought is pulling all the strings. And Trump loves it. The destruction of a Nation.

Crowing ad nauseum about how your opponent is evil over and over again, framing them as the absolute worst possible person... that's the tactics used by the inquisition, jihadists, and authoritarians across the world and throughout time.

Trump has gotten CBS to hire a right-wing op-ed person as their new Chief Editor. The Washington Post has swung a bit on terminology used and don't get me started with their comment section promoting far-right posts. Trump has used corporate mergers to try and get people fired from positions of influence on television. Trump is interfering with Colleges/Universities. Trump has violated the law on tariffs. Trump is violating the law on equal protection regarding racial profiling by ICE.

Trump is leaving all of the other Presidents behind except maybe Wilson (WWI arrests) and FDR (Japanese and Italian internments) with abuse of power.

 

[Politesse]

Actually I do have such a history. I went through a bad phase wherein I was very mentally off and beset with religious mania. It was by no means a short period. I acted like a complete dick quite often, and espoused views that most here would call right wing, because I believed that was what God botherers were supposed to do. I was using drugs and ignored my meds.

Easy pattern to fall into. It's more remarkable (and admirable) that you managed to get yourself out.

With treatment and medication I came back to myself. I opt to stay out of most heavy arguments now, because I have trouble typing and get upset easily.

More than sensible. I may seem like a ubiquitous presence here, but I do take little breaks from time to time. Sometimes longer spells. It's not good for anyone's mental health to just be a "culture warrior" all the time. And I certainly won't hold your past against you. You know I'm actually married to a *gasp* former Republican? People do change, we aren't walking stereotypes.

 

[Jarhyn]

What's with the eyerolls? Still not going to admit we know Project 2025 is happening and the impact it will have on marginalized groups?

Project 2025 is being implemented with gusto by that creep Russell Vought who is the real power behind the stupid evil Trump. There is no way that stupid Trump could think up all of the thousands of his executive orders. Vought is pulling all the strings. And Trump loves it. The destruction of a Nation.

Crowing ad nauseum about how your opponent is evil over and over again, framing them as the absolute worst possible person... that's the tactics used by the inquisition, jihadists, and authoritarians across the world and throughout time.

Trump has zero personal or professional redeeming qualities. He does evil every day.

He is a liar, lawless, he loves cruelty, is a fascist and a self-damitted sexual prediror by the hollywood tspes. He is a racist, sexist pig.

He,s a homophobe, trans phobe and islamophobe

He claimed to have no knowledge if project 2025 but he is inflicting it as fast as he cam.

Zero good qualities. 100% bad qualities.

He is vomenting political violence and want to punish everyone he sees against him.

He met Vought, it's architect, in a closed meeting to discuss policy.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

What's with the eyerolls? Still not going to admit we know Project 2025 is happening and the impact it will have on marginalized groups?

Project 2025 is being implemented with gusto by that creep Russell Vought who is the real power behind the stupid evil Trump. There is no way that stupid Trump could think up all of the thousands of his executive orders. Vought is pulling all the strings. And Trump loves it. The destruction of a Nation.

Crowing ad nauseum about how your opponent is evil over and over again, framing them as the absolute worst possible person... that's the tactics used by the inquisition, jihadists, and authoritarians across the world and throughout time.

Trump has zero personal or professional redeeming qualities. He does evil every day.

He is a liar, lawless, he loves cruelty, is a fascist and a self-damitted sexual prediror by the hollywood tspes. He is a racist, sexist pig.

He,s a homophobe, trans phobe and islamophobe

He claimed to have no knowledge if project 2025 but he is inflicting it as fast as he cam.

Zero good qualities. 100% bad qualities.

He is vomenting political violence and want to punish everyone he sees against him.

He met Vought, it's architect, in a closed meeting to discuss policy.

Also he literally mentioned he's "of Project 2025 fame" in a recent post. So he knows about Project 2025 and it's undeniable. I'm sure the right will just pivot to "what's so bad about Project 2025?" though.