Charlie Kirk shot at (shot?) in Utah

[Jason Harvestdancer]

There is a long history of violent reposes on campus in California to conservative speakers.

Last year A Christian group was given a permit to put on a concert in a park in the Seattle LGBT neighborhood. There were questions by progressives as to how the permit was issued, the Christian group is counter to 'Seattle's values'. There were potshots.

Recreant they had an event away form the LGBT community and our mayor said there has to be equal rights for all, finally.

I think the right has a point, it is more the left that suppresses free repression.

While I agree that the left can want to limit the speech of those on the far-right, I will remind you that the alt-right were shooting cases of Bud Light because a transgender person was a spokesperson in a commercial. That is an actual reaction of violence, borderline terrorism.

Shooting a person versus shooting a can of piss beer. Wow, you've created an equivalence.

Here's another - Punching Nazis ‘Should Be a Hate Crime' - a thread where people are actually discussing the ethics of assaulting people for having beliefs one finds abhorrent. I think punching a person and killing a person are more comparable than shooting a beer and shooting a person.

It is also interesting to compare this:

Yes, I concur that opposition to political violence in all forms should be the paramount concern for all of us.

to this:

Punching Nazis ‘Should Be a Hate Crime'

?!
Punching Nazis should be our National Pastime.
This PC crap is destroying America!

By the way, congratulations Elixir.

A lot of people are saying things like 'violence is not the way'. I disagree.
Rump needs to be removed from power, Any way possable, As soon as possable. to limit his damage.
We can see in Rump that violence is the only way he is leaving power. So be it.
Yes violence is distasteful but removeing him has got to be done.

And we get to the final conclusion, with a paraniod conspiracy theory used to back it up.

 

[ZiprHead]

“My son, his dad, is a Republican for Trump. Most of my family members are Republican. I don’t know any single one who’s a Democrat," the suspect's grandmother Debbie Robinson told The Daily Mail.

Can you link to the whole article? I tried to find it at the Daily Mail, and I think I found it, but its behind a paywall. At any rate, the title of the article I believe you are referencing is:

Grandma of Charlie Kirk's 'assassin' breaks silence to reveal why the FBI MUST have the wrong man​

The gunman confessed to his dad to doing it, and agreed (reluctantly) to turn himself in! His writings on social media (Discord) to his roommate confirm his culpability. And he was not a Democrat or Republican. His political affliation is not stated on his voter registration info. And why are you referencing The Daily Mail, anyway?

As a general rule, do not trust everything a grandma says. Except mine. She was an

Charlie Kirk Suspect’s Grandma Says Family Is All MAGA

Tyler Robinson, 22, the man arrested in connection with the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk, comes from a MAGA family, his grandmother has revealed. Although MAGA figureheads have been quick to point fingers at the left for Kirk’s death, Tyler’s grandmother, Debbie Robinson...

www.yahoo.com

She spoke with the Daily Mail on Friday after news of Robinson’s arrest broke. “My son, his dad, is a Republican for Trump,” Debbie told the outlet. “Most of my family members are Republican. I don’t know any single one who’s a Democrat.”

 

[scombrid]

Don’t the “groyper” people groom in the gaming world? Maybe they got hold of someone that was slipping into mental illness.

 

[blastula]

I'm beginning to think he was just like many school kids into meme culture without any definite left-right political valence. Wondering whether he fits more into a general school shooter profile, disaffected and lashing out.

Charlie Kirk shooting suspect Tyler Robinson arrested, widow vows to fight

Authorities in Utah have confirmed the identity of the suspect as 22-year-old Tyler Robinson. The suspect is in custody.

www.usatoday.com

Xander Luke, 22, graduated in the same Pine View High School class of 2021 as Tyler Robinson and remembered him from several classes they had together.

Luke said he was scrolling TikTok on Sept. 12 when he saw Robinson’s mugshot and thought he looked familiar, then quickly realized the connection.

“I was floored,” Luke said. “Everyone from our class is shocked, but it started to make a little sense since he was politically active and outspoken about people’s rights.”

Luke said he and Robinson shared sentiments about government and political corruption and a view that the system in general was not solving the nation’s problems.

He described Robinson as deeply immersed in Internet and meme culture. He also had thoughts on the reported engravings on shell casings that police have described.

“From what I remember, his family was more conservative, but Tyler thought the entire system was out of place,” Luke told USA TODAY. “He thought both political sides were contributing to a country being in a worse place and not improving the world.”

Another story that quotes that friend.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-shooting-person-interest-manhunt-utah/#link-MNS43OMGF5BTDEK6SS76L5LR4M

“We shared the same sentiments about how both the Democratic and the Republican party were both not very much for the interests of the people anymore,” he said. “They both just make promises and don’t really do anything and just stay in power.”

During most of their high school tenure, President Donald Trump was in his first term. Luke said Robinson didn’t like Trump but also wasn’t excited by Joe Biden, whose victory over Trump came during their senior year.

Luke added that Robinson didn’t like “hateful people” and “people who would talk down about others.” He was upset by figures who seemed like bullies — who voiced prejudices against people based on their race or sex, Luke said.

“We would have conversations every once in a while about our distaste about the way things had gone on in the world where people had become more hateful and our government hadn’t been helping us as much,” he said.

Also, see this story about school shooters using memes.

Madison and Nashville School Shooters Appear to Have Crossed Paths in Online Extremist Communities

A month after a student opened fire at Abundant Life Christian School, another killed a classmate at Antioch High School. Both were active in an internet subculture that glorifies mass shooters and encourages young people to commit attacks.

www.propublica.org

 

[laughing dog]

As the father of two boys slightly older, I feel tremendous sympathy for his family, his parents in particular. They now have years of unimaginable misery to deal with.

On the other hand, their dad won’t be there to poison their minds.

 

[unapologetic]

with a paraniod conspiracy theory used to back it up.

Paranoid maybe.
But if you can't see the conspiracy of Project 2025, MAGA/Rump/FauxNews, Republican voter supression, you aren't paying fracking attention.
Those are actual, real life conspiracies.

 

[WAB]

As the father of two boys slightly older, I feel tremendous sympathy for his family, his parents in particular. They now have years of unimaginable misery to deal with.

On the other hand, their dad won’t be there to poison their minds.

I was referring to the shooter, and his parents and family. I was following SOHY's post, but failed to quote her. My bad. But your comment aside, I sympathize with Kirk's family as well.

 

[bilby]

I am incredibly impressed by the speed of the US court system; I was under the impression that this Tyler Robinson had only just been arrested as a suspect, and yet to read the discussion about him, it is obvious that he has already been found guilty in a properly constituted court by a jury of his peers, and we have moved on from "Did he do it?" to "Why did he do it?".

Only a couple of days ago this thread was full of "The FBI are incompetent" and "They will just round up the usual suspects". Why do we think that this person actually did it? Sure, he says he did; But false confessions (particularly to high profile crimes) are not exactly unheard of.

High profile cases always collapse into speculative bullshit and unsupported certainty after a couple of days of media frenzy. The 'newsertainment' machine abhors complexity, nuance, and uncertainty.

It's very popular to assume that arrest implies guilt, but that's not how rule of law works.

 

[Shadowy Man]

I have yet to see any evidence, other than him turning himself in for the crime, that he did the crime. But presumably they will do a thorough investigation now…

 

[TV and credit cards]

This from the Grownups News Network:
Who is Tyler Robinson, the suspect in Charlie Kirk's murder?
Given his age, did he have time to form much of an ideology, one so strong it would lead him to this? He looks to be an otherwise decent kid up until. Perhaps this is more of what can happen to a 22 year old brain born in to a world of social media and god knows what on the internet. Is his reality so far removed from one of an older generation, of people who did not have all this shit invading what should have been a simple childhood? How is access to everything everywhere all at once, good and bad shaping the cognitive and emotional development of children?

Uh, how old do you think pretty much every soldier ever has been? Just because you're old as shit now doesn't mean twenty year olds aren't adults anymore. If anything, young people are far more likely to take radical political actions. They have a lot of energy, a relatively simplistic view of the world, and less to lose.

What do soldiers have to do with anything I posted or his being an adult for that matter?
My point is that he lived a childhood very very different from mine or even my 33 year old daughter's. A person his age may very well have had access throughout his childhood to all the world's ugliness. This accounts for nothing?
And I'm not "old as shit" yet.

 

[bilby]

A person his age may very well have had access throughout his childhood to all the world's ugliness.

Maybe; But so did most (or at least many) people his age.

If your hypothesis, that "access throughout ... childhood to all the world's ugliness" causes people to become assassins, is correct, then how do you explain the fact that assassination remains such a rarity? Where is the spike in such assassinations, tracking the spike in Internet access in the last thirty years or so, that your hypothesis predicts?

My point is that he lived a childhood very very different from mine or even my 33 year old daughter's.

My point is that so did everyone else his age, but they are not all out there assassinating people.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

I am incredibly impressed by the speed of the US court system; I was under the impression that this Tyler Robinson had only just been arrested as a suspect, and yet to read the discussion about him, it is obvious that he has already been found guilty in a properly constituted court by a jury of his peers, and we have moved on from "Did he do it?" to "Why did he do it?".

Only a couple of days ago this thread was full of "The FBI are incompetent" and "They will just round up the usual suspects". Why do we think that this person actually did it? Sure, he says he did; But false confessions (particularly to high profile crimes) are not exactly unheard of.

High profile cases always collapse into speculative bullshit and unsupported certainty after a couple of days of media frenzy. The 'newsertainment' machine abhors complexity, nuance, and uncertainty.

It's very popular to assume that arrest implies guilt, but that's not how rule of law works.

Of all the things that are different now than they've always been, this isn't one of them. I recall a certain someone supporting the prosecution of five young men in the Central Park Jogging/Rape case. Turns out years and years later that none of them were guilty. The point is that the public convicting someone prior to due process has always been with us.

I'm glad they caught him alive, but that doesn't mean we'll ever hear anything about his reasons. If he is guilty, he could cop a relatively quick plea deal, agree to STFU about his motivations, and then spend X amount of years in jail. Hinkley shot Reagan and eventually got out, so it's not impossible in this case.

 

[bilby]

The point is that the public convicting someone prior to due process has always been with us.

The problem is, that unlike in the civilised world, the US news media are allowed to prejudice any trial by saturating the public with such injustice.

Who now can be a fair juror in the case? Nobody.

So much for justice.

 

[laughing dog]

It's very popular to assume that arrest implies guilt, but that's not how rule of law works.

In fact, it isn’t even how arrests work.

 

[ZiprHead]

Alt-right media star says he is ‘being framed for the murder of Charlie Kirk’ in late-night X post

Kirk was shot and killed on Wednesday while speaking in Utah.

www.pennlive.com

White nationalist media personality Nick Fuentes took to social media just after midnight on Saturday as news swirled around the arrest of Tyler Robinson in the shooting death of Charlie Kirk.



According to several reports, Robinson is believed to be a “Groyper,” a term used to identify a follower of Fuentes. And Fuentes, 27, clearly does not appreciate the association to Robinson.



“My followers and I are currently being framed for the murder of Charlie Kirk by the mainstream media based on literally zero evidence,” Fuentes wrote on X. “After the left gunned him down, they celebrated and justified it. They said I was next. Now they are blaming me. These people are pure evil.”



Fuentes shared a screen shot of trending topics on X that showed, “What is a Groyper,” near the top.

 

[ZiprHead]

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5501199-military-retribution-charlie-kirk/

Hegseth says Pentagon ‘tracking’ service members, civilians who celebrate Charlie Kirk killing​

Have a drink and calm down, Pete.

 

[laughing dog]

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5501199-military-retribution-charlie-kirk/

Hegseth says Pentagon ‘tracking’ service members, civilians who celebrate Charlie Kirk killing​

Have a drink and calm down, Pete.

He can’t! He promised not to drink at work.

 

[Shadowy Man]

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5501199-military-retribution-charlie-kirk/

Hegseth says Pentagon ‘tracking’ service members, civilians who celebrate Charlie Kirk killing​

Have a drink and calm down, Pete.

“They did not mention any specific examples of personnel who had reacted positively to Kirk’s death.”

Not that it is happening but he’s tracking it nonetheless.

ETA: maybe it is like how the military “tracks” Santa clause on Christmas Eve?

 

[Toni]

I'm going to share an article that goes into a lot of detail about the shooter's life. I have wondered, since schizophrenia is almost always diagnosed in one's late teens or early 20s, if this young man was suffering from that awful disease. Who knows?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/12/...e_code=1.lk8.Vvv_.KVDIvNBPyb9i&smid=url-share

In the conservative southern Utah city where Tyler Robinson grew up, neighbors and classmates described him as a reserved, intelligent young man raised in a Republican family who was deeply interested in video games, comic books and current events.

On Friday afternoon, people who knew Mr. Robinson struggled to reconcile their memories of him and his seemingly ordinary suburban upbringing with his notorious new image: the latest face of political violence, accused of fatally shooting the conservative influencer Charlie Kirk on a Utah college campus earlier this week in what the authorities have called a political assassination.

“It’s really sad that someone with his mind put it to that sort of use,” said Keaton Brooksby, 22, a former high school classmate of Mr. Robinson’s.

Mr. Robinson had recently spoken with a family member about the fact that Mr. Kirk was going to hold an event in Utah, according to a police affidavit, and he and his relative discussed “why they didn’t like him and the viewpoints he had.”

But as elements of the nation’s political left and right scrambled for motives, the image that has initially emerged of Mr. Robinson is not at all clear. Neither is his trajectory from a scholarship-winning high school student to an apprentice electrician to a suspect.

Mr. Brooksby said that Mr. Robinson was generally considered a quiet pupil when they were growing up in the conservative St. George area, but one day in high school, the topic of the 2012 attacks on Americans in Benghazi, Libya, came up during lunch. Few there knew exactly what had happened, but Mr. Robinson was sure of himself.

Mr. Robinson did appear to have excelled academically as a teenager. His mother posted online a photo of him when he graduated from middle school with a perfect 4.0 grade point average. In a Facebook post from August 2020, celebrating the start of Mr. Robinson’s senior year at Pine View High School in St. George, his mother proudly reported that he had been taking four college-level classes as well as Advanced Placement calculus. He graduated from Pine View in 2021.

“My brain hurts for him, but he’s so excited!” she wrote in the post.

Several of Mr. Robinson’s neighbors at the apartment complex where he had recently lived described him as withdrawn, saying that they rarely saw him, apart from when he was walking to and from a gray Dodge Challenger he kept in the parking lot.

Seems as if something had messed up this young man's brain and while I don't think anyone deserves to be murdered. I feel sadder for the shooter than I do for the victim, in this case.

Sometimes it is not difficult to parse who is a terrible person and sometimes, terrible people put on nice, sweet faces, seem extremely respectful of their mothers and other ladies, go to church, do well in school, are valued members of sports teams and their communities. When they do something terrible, it is shocking and while sometimes you know a bit more about their family life —less idyllic than supposed but it’s still shocking. I’ve known a few people who, growing up, had what seemed to be a good to very good life who later did time ( and one who should not have gotten off with probation) for violent crimes. Smart, nice looking, well liked, all. From mostly very stable appearing families.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5501199-military-retribution-charlie-kirk/

Hegseth says Pentagon ‘tracking’ service members, civilians who celebrate Charlie Kirk killing​

Have a drink and calm down, Pete.

I've seen people call him "Kegsbreath" before and I might stick with it.