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Charlie Kirk shot at (shot?) in Utah

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I bet the right wing idiots will be calling for the Helldivers games to be banned too.
Maybe the morality police fringe. The Party leadership is way too heavily invested in microchips to seriously want any video game to be banned.
Well the fringe can still send death threats to the developers and needlessly traumatize people too.
For sure, and it is despicable. That is weirdly the cost of doing business in the modern gaming industry though. In 2014, we all decided that video games are political statements, and things have gone steadily downhill from there.
 
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I bet the right wing idiots will be calling for the Helldivers games to be banned too.
Maybe the morality police fringe. The Party leadership is way too heavily invested in microchips to seriously want any video game to be banned.
Well the fringe can still send death threats to the developers and needlessly traumatize people too.
For sure, and it is despicable. That is weirdly the cost of doing business in the modern gaming industry though. In 2014, we all decided that video games are political statements, and things have gone steadily downhill from there.
Yeah the latest Kirby Air Riders is a fucking Wokefest.
 
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I bet the right wing idiots will be calling for the Helldivers games to be banned too.
Maybe the morality police fringe. The Party leadership is way too heavily invested in microchips to seriously want any video game to be banned.
Well the fringe can still send death threats to the developers and needlessly traumatize people too.
For sure, and it is despicable. That is weirdly the cost of doing business in the modern gaming industry though. In 2014, we all decided that video games are political statements, and things have gone steadily downhill from there.
Yeah the latest Kirby Air Riders is a fucking Wokefest.
The right would call Kirby woke just for being pink and having red circles on their cheeks.
 
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I wonder if Trump felt anything, when he watched the video. Was he sad about his friend dying? Horrified by the manner of it? Or was it just a political fact? Was he deciding what face to pull for the camera in his speech?
Doubt he watched the video. It wasn't about him. His video statement was clearly written by someone else, and spoken with about as much emotion of someone who couldn't find a missing sock.

Trump said he hasn't watched video of the shooting.
 
And I wouldn't hold that against him. I personally don't watch snuff films. I don't need to see any more people die than absolutely necessary (family (natural causes) and rare circumstance).
 
Also if the Westboro Baptist Church gets to belittle the deaths of people, no reason why anyone else shouldn't be able t- oh yeah it's because they're Christian and get to do whatever the fuck they want.
 
I hear you, but do you agree it was wrong that MLK and others were struck down violently?
It’s a matter of scale IMHO.
Melissa and Mark didn’t get this kind of attention. No half mast flags, no wall to wall tv coverage, no presidential feigned sadness. Melissa was an ELECTED FUCKING OFFICIAL who was stalked and murdered in her home, along with her innocent husband. Does anyone know who Yvette Hoffman is?
The asymmetry is vast. Open season on elected Dems, but don’t go picking off any loudmouthed unelected trumpsuckers or there will be hell (for all of us) to pay.

I get what you’re saying about asymmetry, and maybe that’s a fair conversation. But before we go there, do you agree or disagree that it was wrong for Kirk to be killed over his opinions, just like it was wrong for Melissa, MLK, or anyone else?
That's a fair question. However, more is needed.

1. Legally speaking, it was indisputably wrong. From A crime to Z crime that took place until arrest, he was wrong.

2. Morally, it's not as clear cut because taking another life is not always wrong. The great majority of the time it is wrong. There are almost always better ways to act. But silencing a bad-faith voice whose known and clearly stated goal is to take more of our rights away, establish an American theocracy, and advocate apathy and even encourage murder for the sake of his disgusting principles; I don't know. My reason is not sympathy, but because we don't know if in the end it will have made any difference. It's the classic if you could kill Hitler question.

3. Practicality: much as what I wrote immediately above, we don't know the impact, if any this will have. Like everything else now, it will likely fade pretty quickly from the news cycle. It does give American fascism a martyr, but they already have as many martyrs as they wish to manufacture anyway.

3A: If this was a rational act by a rational person, is it the first shot in a burgeoning movement that's realizing that peaceful protests accomplish nothing and believe that concrete action is needed to save our democracy, or is it a radicalized leftist who lost rational thought and misguidedly lashed out over paranoia? Etc. I think that its practical effect will be minimal.

I could go on and on, but the way I see it, it amounts to a small sliver of of satisfaction in a sea of despair; a moment where the fascists saw measurable backlash against the policies they promote. I know what the response to that sentence will be, so I'll wait for it.

Overall the question(s) of right and wrong are a matter of degree and on-the-ground results. We'll just have to wait and see.

I see your point about morality, but that’s exactly the problem: morality depends on who’s defining it. The people behind MLK’s assassination no doubt thought they had their own ‘moral’ reasons, just as anyone who resorts to violence does. If morality is the standard, then what makes one person’s justification more valid than another’s? That’s why it’s better to have a universal fact we can all agree on: political violence in a democratic society is unacceptable, no matter who the target is. Once that line blurs, every assassin claims the mantle of moral righteousness, and democracy itself becomes hostage to whoever has the gun.
I mostly agree. I'm sure someone can think of some examples, but as of the moment I don't recall any assassination that was later determined to be unquestionably good. Obviously we can't see into a parallel universe where the given assassination didn't occur in order to evaluate the differences, but history shows it's not a very good way to change things and can make things far, far worse, or at least greatly aggravate already tense circumstances (see the killing of Archduke Ferdinand).

OTOH, there is no question in my mind that people of Kirk's ilk hate democracy and are actively trying to rid America of it. Election results have been called false, there was a serious and somewhat organized attempt to overthrow the government. If not outright, threats of violence and violence itself has been perpetrated against political opponents. The most powerful person in the U.S. has threatened to jail his political opponents and has stationed federal troops in cities whose voters overwhelmingly disapprove of him.

Roe was overturned and Obergefell is on the way. What's next? We're not potentially on a slipper slope, we're actually sliding down it.

The point is that there are concrete, indisputable events that have occurred and laws that have been passed diminishing our rights. At what point is the citizenry supposed to act in order to stop it?

I acknowledge that I take great glee in the Event of the Week, but I don't deny it's a very complex and dangerous issue. In other words, I have no good answers.
 


Read the whole thing. Wut an asshole.

What strikes me about this is that they want to ban free speech to ... do what? "Protect" the good name of a fascist bobblehead? To quash things said in poor taste?

Meanwhile, this administration and its supporters have made no bones about despising entire states like California, Illinois, and New York. They cheer when wildfires destroy our homes and businesses. They publicly wish for natural disasters to kill us. They shit on our founding document and all the case law that has interpreted it for the overall good and advancement. They hate the civil rights movement.

But dunking on Kirk's demise is too much for them?

Side Note: the world's biggest stock exchange is in New York. The world's biggest futures exchange is in Chicago. California is the 5th largest economy in the world. The point is that not only has violence been threatened, the three most important economic engines of the country are in danger of being seriously harmed. There is no aspect of this nation's health that is not at stake.
 
Who wants to bet they'll do this to anyone calling for the release of Epstein Files after Trump dies?
 
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I bet the right wing idiots will be calling for the Helldivers games to be banned too.
Maybe the morality police fringe. The Party leadership is way too heavily invested in microchips to seriously want any video game to be banned.
Well the fringe can still send death threats to the developers and needlessly traumatize people too.
For sure, and it is despicable. That is weirdly the cost of doing business in the modern gaming industry though. In 2014, we all decided that video games are political statements, and things have gone steadily downhill from there.
Yeah the latest Kirby Air Riders is a fucking Wokefest.
Is EA's PGA Golf woke? I hope not. I spend the better part of a year playing Elden Ring. I hope I wasn't radicalized by it. One of my characters was female, so apparently the danger of being a fairy was indeed manifested.

The pearl-clutching, pants shitting over video games has existed since I was dropping quarters in Space Invaders, yet for some reason Satan or even his most minor of minions ever saw fit to visit me. Frankly, that rejection has shaped an important part of me and necessitated overuse of SSRIs.
 
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Robinson grew up in Washington, Utah, and earned a scholarship to attend Utah State University after a strong academic record in high school, but dropped out after just one semester, according to public records, social media and a university statement.

Voter registration records show that Robinson is registered to vote unaffiliated with any party, although he is also listed as an “inactive” voter, meaning he hadn’t voted in at least the most recent two general elections.
Didn't vote in 2020 or 2024?
 
Seeing people saying that the memes inscribed on the casing are popular among 'groypers' which are fans of Nick Fuentes. So it is fascists killing fascists. Apparently Fuentes and Kirk didn't like each other.
 
Up until this shooting I honestly did not even know who Charlie Kirk was.

Yet everyone on this forum seems to think I am the big MAGA licking hard right conspiracy nut.

Go figure.
 
I am really sick of seeing all the news on Kirk. The guy was a christian nationalist, a white nationalist, an anti-gay asswipe. Denying climate change, a 2020 election denier and antivax troglite. That a piece of shit and flags are at half mast over this.
I do not disagree but I am still appalled at yet another act of gun violence —and the reactions of many right wingers and ignoring the fact that three students were murdered which, I suppose is the price we pay for free access to deadly weapons. Obviously the school shooter was mentally ill but whoever killed Kirk was a democratic antifa scum.
 
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Robinson grew up in Washington, Utah, and earned a scholarship to attend Utah State University after a strong academic record in high school, but dropped out after just one semester, according to public records, social media and a university statement.

Voter registration records show that Robinson is registered to vote unaffiliated with any party, although he is also listed as an “inactive” voter, meaning he hadn’t voted in at least the most recent two general elections.
Didn't vote in 2020 or 2024?
Right wingers are very distraught they can't pin this on Obama, Biden, or Harris
 
And I wouldn't hold that against him. I personally don't watch snuff films. I don't need to see any more people die than absolutely necessary (family (natural causes) and rare circumstance).
I would normally agree, though in this specific case, were I president, I think I would stay for the full briefing.

And he's a news hound. Surely he has seen at least the discretion shot edit by now.
 
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