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Meet the 17-Year-Old Behind a Website Tracking Coronavirus Cases That Is Now a Vital Global Resource | Democracy Now!
A teenager’s website tracking coronavirus has become one of the most vital resources for people seeking accurate and updated numbers on the pandemic. The URL is nCoV2019.live. We speak with 17-year-old Avi Schiffmann, a high school junior from Mercer Island outside Seattle, who started the site in late December, when coronavirus had not yet been detected outside of China. Now the site has been visited by tens of millions, from every country on Earth. It tracks deaths, numbers of cases locally and globally, and provides an interactive map, information on the disease, and a Twitter feed. The resource updates every minute or so, and pulls information from the World Health Organization, the Centers for Disease Control and elsewhere.
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His site: nCoV2019.live
 
Jokodo said:
barbos said:
Jokodo said:
Okay, so no.
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I most certainly did.
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"The 20-80 rule" is a slogan, not an attempt away quantification.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle#Occupational_health_and_safety
Not a slogan.


Some cases of super-spreading conform to the 20/80 rule,[27] where approximately 20% of infected individuals are responsible for 80% of transmissions, although super-spreading can still be said to occur when super-spreaders account for a higher or lower percentage of transmissions.[28] In epidemics with super-spreading, the majority of individuals infect relatively few secondary contacts.
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barbos said:
Jokodo said:
"The 20-80 rule" is a slogan, not an attempt away quantification.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle#Occupational_health_and_safety
Not a slogan.


Some cases of super-spreading conform to the 20/80 rule,[27] where approximately 20% of infected individuals are responsible for 80% of transmissions, although super-spreading can still be said to occur when super-spreaders account for a higher or lower percentage of transmissions.[28] In epidemics with super-spreading, the majority of individuals infect relatively few secondary contacts.
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The text you quoted talks about who infects other people, not who gets infected. If 20% of carriers are the source of 80% of transmissions, this does not imply or even suggest that 20% of the population carry 80% of the risk of getting infected - which is what we were talking about.


Also it says quite explicitly "Some cases of super-spreading". Not all. Not most. Not even "many".

Whether this is so in any particular case is an empirical question. Ex cathedra proclamations are no replacement for evidence, and believing that you're safe because your not filthy and therefore refusing to partake in social distancing is a good way of helping the virus spread.
 
On a less serious note: Why Sweden (and Finland) think they can get away with barely any containment measures:

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Jokodo said:
barbos said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle#Occupational_health_and_safety
Not a slogan.
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The text you quoted talks about who infects other people, not who gets infected. If 20% of carriers are the source of 80% of transmissions, this does not imply or even suggest that 20% of the population carry 80% of the risk of getting infected - which is what we were talking about.
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Yes, as I said, 20% of population cause 80% of problem. If you got infected but avoided infecting anybody else then you are not a problem. You are not even that big of a problem if you infected just one person who is not a super-spreader.
Problem is super-spreaders, they are the ones who are responsible for the exponent.
Also it says quite explicitly "Some cases of super-spreading". Not all. Not most. Not even "many".

Whether this is so in any particular case is an empirical question. Ex cathedra proclamations are no replacement for evidence,
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Me thinks you demand too much.
and believing that you're safe because your not filthy and therefore refusing to partake in social distancing is a good way of helping the virus spread.
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This does not compute because "filthy" is by definition a refusal to partake in social distancing.
 
The US keeps millions of chickens in secret farms to make flu vaccines. But their eggs won't work for coronavirus - CNN
Scientists started exploring the use of eggs in vaccine production in the 1930s.

Researchers in England conducted the first trials on their armed forces in 1937, and the year after the US found it could protect its military with the flu shot.

A working egg-based vaccine was ready for the US public by the 1940s.
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But eggs don't work for the COVID-19 coronavirus. Egg vaccines also have the problem of a 6-month production time.

There are some alternatives, however.

Like a  RNA vaccine - that kind of vaccine uses RNA that codes for virus coat proteins. It depends on the patient's cells to make those proteins. None has been approved, but some are under development for fighting COVID-19.

A related technique is  DNA vaccination - it works in much the same way.

An alternative is synthetic proteins made in some organism like some bacterium or yeast. That is already being done for insulin, for instance, and it could be extended to viruses' coat proteins.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Since you can't tell if someone has it, stay away from ALL people! Stay home from work in bed, not with your spouse or anyone else. Watch 100% coverage of CNN and Fox News so you have constant updates of number of deaths. Your only hope to survive is corporate news media. If they start covering the impeachment, switch to the Internet, wild theories only. Don't take risks.

This is going to be worse than the Zika virus!
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You were ahead of time.
 
Shiraz Maher on Twitter: "I've been debating about whether to 'go public' on having coronavirus ..." / Twitter
I've been debating about whether to 'go public' on having coronavirus - which I kind of did inadvertently this morning. So, now I may as well share my experience(s) with you in order to help those who are worried about it or who are thinking they might have it. Here goes... 1/

I was taking this thing pretty seriously from an early stage because of advice from my good friend @amhitchens, who rightly identified the coming crisis. So I put my house in lockdown, I closed @ICSR_Centre early, and I started taking precautions 2/

But you need to be constantly vigilant with coronavirus. All it takes is one careless moment, one unthinking touch of your face, accidentally touching a contaminated surface once and suddenly, boom, you've got it. 3/

I'm 38 and have no underlying health conditions. I figured if I got it, I'd shake it. Here's how things have played out. Firstly, it's not the flu. Whoever originally said that, did everyone a great disservice. This thing is not the flu. It's a nasty, horrible, illness. 4/

I started having symptoms about two weeks ago. The fever was mild and went very quickly. Is it Covid-19? Who knows, but I've shaken it quickly. Great. Then my lungs started packing up and my chest got very tight. This happened around 15-16 March. 5/

The cough was dry and unlike anything I've ever had before. It was much more extreme and pronounced than a dry cough you might have during a bout of the flu. It feels like there's something deeply lodged within your lungs, that they're (violently) trying to eject. 6/

Of course, there's nothing to actually eject. The resulting cough is dusty, dry and painful. Much more scary is that you're unsure of when you'll stop coughing. You have no control over it. There were times I was worried I'd start vomiting because the coughing was so severe 7/

When you finally stop, it's a relief - but now you're in a new phase altogether. You're fighting to draw air into your lungs but your chest is tight and, frankly, your lungs are in distress. They're not functioning the way they should. 8/

Your head is also pounding because of the violent coughing. I suffered terrible headaches after these coughing fits. The evening of Wednesday 18th was the worst day for me. I fought for breath for about 3-4 hours. It was horrific. 9/

I recorded my symptoms and sent it to doctors (my friends). "Classic Covid" came the reply. I kept monitoring it and, frankly, staying awake was a struggle. I went to bed. My breathing remained severely impaired for another 2 days, but I was managing it all from home. 10/

By Friday, I thought I'd got through the worst of it and things were looking good. Coronavirus is particularly cruel. Recovery is not linear. On Saturday night I started to feel distinctly unwell again. I decided to take my blood pressure because I have a home monitor... 11/

Anything over 180/120 is classified as 'hypertensive crisis' (basically, heart attack/stroke territory). Without revealing what mine was, lets just say I was well, well in excess of this (again, I don't have an underlying issue). This was easily the most terrifying moment. 12/

I called my doctor friends and told them. "Time to call 999" they said - so I did. It took more than 15 minutes to speak with a representative; that's how overwhelmed the emergency services are. I told them my BP and that I have coronavirus. 13/

Ultimately they decided they couldn't respond to my call. I am not criticising the London ambulance service. They are doing superb work under incredible, unprecedented circumstances. I'm telling you this part of the story to underscore two things... 14/

The first is that you should only call them in an absolute emergency. It's not a diagnostic service. The more unnecessary calls, the longer the delay in them answering becomes. Secondly, be prepared to take decisive action for yourself because they might not be able to help 15/

So I called my doctor friends again and started to take actions to lower my blood pressure naturally, at home. I spent the next 48 hours in bed and, only after this time, did my blood pressure return to anything vaguely resembling 'normal' (it was still high, but acceptable). 16/

Now we're into the start of this week. Symptoms have slowly evolved into a less severe cough and my chest being less tight (although these get worse in the evenings). But I have lots of new symptoms: crazy abdominal pains and headaches. The lethargy has persisted throughout. 17/

Today we're approaching the end of 2+ weeks since I first developed symptoms and about 11-12 days since they became particularly acute. For the first time, I feel like I'm starting to beat it but I'm nowhere near feeling 100%. 18/

Coronavirus appears to have a completely different trajectory in different people. I can't spot a pattern. Although I'm only speaking publicly about it now, I've been whatsapping with lots of friends/colleagues who've also had it. 19/

Some are shaking it off relatively easily. Others are suffering very badly. The most difficult part of this is the extent to which it takes hold within your lungs. There's just no way to tell what will happen at the start. You need to watch this symptom if it develops. 20/

So that's my coronavirus story. It's a completely mad, crazy illness. It had made me feel more intensely ill than I've ever been in my life. On the Wednesday & Saturday of last week, I was genuinely fearful of what could happen if those symptoms continued to escalate. 21/

I didn't want to tweet about my experience until I was more comfortable in my own assessment that I'm through the worst of it. And I'm sharing this with you now so that you can really think about the way this thing is hitting people. 22/

Do you really need to go out right now? Is social distancing really that hard? Is it too much of an effort to wash your hands repeatedly, and to wash them properly, with soap? 23/

I've lost several days of my life to this illness. Many, many other people will lose their lives to it. This virus continues to spread everywhere and you - literally, you - can help stop it with the most basic of efforts. Wash your hands. Stay at home. Do it now. /ENDS
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barbos said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Since you can't tell if someone has it, stay away from ALL people! Stay home from work in bed, not with your spouse or anyone else. Watch 100% coverage of CNN and Fox News so you have constant updates of number of deaths. Your only hope to survive is corporate news media. If they start covering the impeachment, switch to the Internet, wild theories only. Don't take risks.

This is going to be worse than the Zika virus!
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You were ahead of time.
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No, everyone else was just way behind. Now we're all going to die. Thanks a lot, everyone!
 
"Kung Flu"?

That's from

 Kung fu (term)
In general, kung fu/kungfu (/ˌkʌŋˈfuː/ (About this soundlisten) or /ˌkʊŋˈfuː/; 功夫, Pinyin: gōngfu) refers to the Chinese martial arts, also called wushu and quanfa. In China, it refers to any study, learning, or practice that requires patience, energy, and time to complete. In its original meaning, kung fu can refer to any discipline or skill achieved through hard work and practice, not necessarily martial arts. The Chinese literal equivalent of "Chinese martial art" would be 中國武術 zhōngguó wǔshù.[1]
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