Covid-19 miscellany

[Keith&Co.]

This. It took nearly a year for a EUA for a Covid vaccine, a new player in the game isn't likely to get an EUA, they won't be able to market for probably 18+ months. That's a hell of a handicap.

Yes, because eating a vaccine works even better than a shot in the arm. The deep state just likes needles.

Nothing wrong with eating a vaccine, I've done it. It's just most vaccines can't survive that route.

I would imagine if eating the vaccine were as efficacious as getting an injection then that would be the preferred method of administering the vaccine.

I have seen the meme, "We're gonna have to hide the vaccine in cheese, aren't we?"

 

[thebeave]

Is your name blastula?

No. Why do you ask? Maybe you should have gotten a room...
Are you still confused about the commonality of anti-vax and anti-GMO touters?

I will wait for blastula to answer. I'm not convinced he's referring to "overlap" in the same sense you are. If he is, then I will bow to your reading comprehension superiority.

 

[WAB]

I would imagine if eating the vaccine were as efficacious as getting an injection then that would be the preferred method of administering the vaccine.

I have seen the meme, "We're gonna have to hide the vaccine in cheese, aren't we?"

That'd be a great idea! Yes, it would be "forcing" anti-vaxxers to get the jab, but at least it might get the job done, barring those who don't like cheese. And as we all know, anyone who doesn't like cheese is worthy of death anyway.

But seriously, while I do, in my heart of hearts, object to the use of force by a government on its own people* ---

or on anyone else barring military actions which are defensive and necessary, I think I can live with myself on this issue, just as I live with taking income tax from bottom level workers (tax 'em where they spend, not where they earn, as Frank Zappa was going to try to implement had he not been shut down by cancer and continued on his political ambitions), and with seat-belt laws (making it obligatory for passengers, children, or even pets, is okay) or silly laws against sodomy (consensual, naturally), or the use of drugs recreationally by adults, for that matter ---

I think in this case it would be acceptable, seeing as there are obviously a huge group of people who are not going to relent on this issue, no matter how many people get sick and die as a result. That they seem to NOT see that their own decisions are wiping out people of their OWN mindset much faster than pro-vaxxers, doesn't seem to phase them. In the case of my parents, when I brought this fact up recently, my father just shook his head and said, "But those so-called facts you're talking about are bullshit! They are counting anyone who dies nowadays as Covid victims! You could die in a car crash and they will say it was Covid! Covid Covid Covid! Bullshit! It's Bill Gates and Soros, pulling the strings, and all those librul assholes in congress!!!!1!", etc, blah blah, blah, spittle flying...

In the odd case someone thinks I'm a trumpety-trumpster fuckface clownstick in disguise, or a conservative, or right-winger pretending to be a "moderate" because I am being tricksy, or cowardly: I will give anyone my father's name - in PRIVATE - and you can find him on Facebook or Twitter to verify what I am saying. His name is the same as mine, and I believe some of you might remember it, except for the middle initial, which I use, but he doesn't. You can ask him about me, his doofus of a son who thinks he's a poet and who "has been living with his head up his ass his whole life..." If that doesn't convince you, we both have Facebook accounts in our real name. Mine is the one with the middle initial, "A". There are photos to confirm that he and I are not the same. I am only doing this because it seems there is an increasing tendency here to think that ANYONE of even a slightly right-leaning position, or ANYONE who questions someone about a view they put forth which is obviously from the left, or 'progressive' perspective, is a right wing conservative republican libertarian, only pretending not to be, for reasons.

*In case I didn't make it clear, I am not including taxation (except in the instance I pointed out above) or the fact that we are compelled to obey laws as "force" (barring instances I pointed out, which would technically be "force", but are cases I can live with, albeit not without having my ethical feathers ruffled a wee tad.

 

[scombrid]

The anti-gmo already greatly overlap with anti-vax.

To be clearer, that story isn't talking about covid vaccines in particular, or about secretly vaccinating people, it's about developing an easier way to deliver mrna vaccines in general.

In what way do they overlap? The anti-GMO crowd has largely been from the left and the anti-vax (as far as covid, anyway) have mostly been from the right (though there is significant anti-vax from the left as well, especially in the black and hispanic communities).

They've been recruited by the Trump GOP. Any anti-"them" movement is in the current GOP tent. Chemtrails, alternative medicine, etc... If your worldview revolves around "alternative facts" to support your "theories" then you have a home in the GOP. The people that were barking about 9/11 Truth that were anti-GOP in the Bush era now see the Democrats as the embodiment of the "DEEP STATE". If you are skeptical of their theories (alternative medicine, anti-vaxx, anti-GMO, etc...) you are now automatically labelled as a "libtard government shill". Look at who is now aligned with Joe Mercola, Mike Adams (Natural News),.. And look at which politicians they support. Mike Adams went full Ruski/GOP a few years ago and his snake oil selling websites now peddles more right wing bullshit than "alternative medicine".

I hate to drive traffic to his site but:

https://www.naturalnews.com/
Here is your anti-GMO, anti-vax marriage under the banner of anti-"Powers That Be".

I haven't decided if he is a cynical grifter that doesn't care about the fallout from his propaganda or a true believer or a deliberate disinformation machine funded by bad actors.

I notice that a lot of his content on vaccines and such is reposts from "Americasfrontlinedoctors.org" which is a group operation in exactly the same way as "Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth". I seriously think that these aren't organic groups of misguided skeptics/conspiracy theorists. I think it is coordinated disinformation at this point. I am disappointed at how deep into it the GOP has been willing to sink.

 

[Elixir]

If your worldview revolves around "alternative facts" to support your "theories" then you have a home in the GOP.

True. (But only if blastula says it)

I haven't decided if he is a cynical grifter that doesn't care about the fallout from his propaganda or a true believer or a deliberate disinformation machine funded by bad actors.

What's the difference? On the right, there are only "bad actors" and their rubes. People with ethics and understanding have left "the Party".

 

[funinspace]

I hate to drive traffic to his site but:

https://www.naturalnews.com/
Here is your anti-GMO, anti-vax marriage under the banner of anti-"Powers That Be".

I haven't decided if he is a cynical grifter that doesn't care about the fallout from his propaganda or a true believer or a deliberate disinformation machine funded by bad actors.

I'm not sure it is so much of a marriage, as an alt-reality nut who also peddles alternative nutrition products.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_News

Natural News (formerly NewsTarget, which is now a separate sister site) is a far-right, anti-vaccination conspiracy theory and fake news website known for promoting alternative medicine, pseudoscience, and far-right extremism.[1][2][3][4]

The site's founder, Michael Allen "Mike" Adams, gained attention after posting a blog entry implying a call for violence against proponents of GMO foods, and then allegedly creating another website with a list of names of alleged supporters. He has been accused of using "pseudoscience to sell his lies".[5] Adams has described vaccines as "medical child abuse".[6]

The website sells various dietary supplements, promotes alternative medicine and climate change denial, makes tendentious nutrition and health claims,[7] disseminates fake news,[8][9][10][11][12] and espouses various conspiracy theories and pro-Donald Trump propaganda

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

With cases dropping in schools after mask mandates put forth, Gov. DeSantis finds idiot to make Surgeon General so he can put forth policies to try and help Florida reclaim its title of CovIdiot of the Year.

If a Covid-19 positive student exposed other children to the virus, those children don't have to quarantine if they aren't showing symptoms, because... the Surgeon General is an idiot. Let's keep letting children spread the disease until it does make someone else sick.

 

[TomC]

With cases dropping in schools after mask mandates put forth, Gov. DeSantis finds idiot to make Surgeon General so he can put forth policies to try and help Florida reclaim its title of CovIdiot of the Year.

Dang it!

From Trump to Desantis to Gaetz, these people are ruining the fun moniker "Florida Man" by electing him to high office.
Tom

 

[Elixir]

With cases dropping in schools after mask mandates put forth, Gov. DeSantis finds idiot to make Surgeon General so he can put forth policies to try and help Florida reclaim its title of CovIdiot of the Year.

Dang it!

From Trump to Desantis to Gaetz, these people are ruining the fun moniker "Florida Man" by electing him to high office.
Tom

Well, they're trying, at least. History will record whether "Florida Man" loses its shine under the glare of public office.

 

[Trausti]

 

[Shadowy Man]

You do know that adults can be vaccinated and children can’t yet, right? Is that not common knowledge??

 

[Trausti]

You do know that adults can be vaccinated and children can’t yet, right? Is that not common knowledge??

You’re aware the risk to children is extremely low? Less than the seasonal flu?

 

[TomC]

You do know that adults can be vaccinated and children can’t yet, right? Is that not common knowledge??

You’re aware the risk to children is extremely low? Less than the seasonal flu?

Do you understand that the people in the pics of adults are in fact adults. Rather wealthy and powerful adults? People who are probably vaccinated, and could choose against mingling like that if they chose to do so?

As opposed to school kids(and their parents) who don't have the same kind of freedom. Who are forced, by covidiots, to deal with a much more infectious world?

That the two scenarios being presented are radically different, from the standpoint of freedom?
Tom

 

[Trausti]

You’re aware the risk to children is extremely low? Less than the seasonal flu?

Do you understand that the people in the pics of adults are in fact adults. Rather wealthy and powerful adults? People who are probably vaccinated, and could choose against mingling like that if they chose to do so?

As opposed to school kids(and their parents) who don't have the same kind of freedom. Who are forced, by covidiots, to deal with a much more infectious world?

That the two scenarios being presented are radically different, from the standpoint of freedom?
Tom

Good point, Tom. Masks are for the hoi polloi, not our elites.

 

[TomC]

You’re aware the risk to children is extremely low? Less than the seasonal flu?

Do you understand that the people in the pics of adults are in fact adults. Rather wealthy and powerful adults? People who are probably vaccinated, and could choose against mingling like that if they chose to do so?

As opposed to school kids(and their parents) who don't have the same kind of freedom. Who are forced, by covidiots, to deal with a much more infectious world?

That the two scenarios being presented are radically different, from the standpoint of freedom?
Tom

Good point, Tom. Masks are for the hoi polloi, not our elites.

I don't see Trump or MTG in that picture.
Tom

 

[Trausti]

Good point, Tom. Masks are for the hoi polloi, not our elites.

I don't see Trump or MTG in that picture.
Tom

Which is a shame. Had either showed up to the Met Gala it would have been HILARIOUS.

 

[Trausti]

 

[Elixir]

You’re aware the risk to children is extremely low? Less than the seasonal flu?

You're aware, no doubt, that Pede units haven't been overwhelmed by kids with "the seasonal flu"...

Children’s hospitals are swamped with Covid patients

But you know where they HAVEN'T been overwhelmed? YOUR FAV PLACE with mask mandates!

 

[Trausti]

You’re aware the risk to children is extremely low? Less than the seasonal flu?

You're aware, no doubt, that Pede units haven't been overwhelmed by kids with "the seasonal flu"...

Children’s hospitals are swamped with Covid patients

But you know where they HAVEN'T been overwhelmed? YOUR FAV PLACE with mask mandates!

I thought you were going say Sweden. Or Denmark. But I guess nobody lives there.

 

[TomC]

You’re aware the risk to children is extremely low? Less than the seasonal flu?

You're aware, no doubt, that Pede units haven't been overwhelmed by kids with "the seasonal flu"...

Children’s hospitals are swamped with Covid patients

But you know where they HAVEN'T been overwhelmed? YOUR FAV PLACE with mask mandates!

I thought you were going say Sweden. Or Denmark. But I guess nobody lives there.

Maybe the difference is that they're approaching herd immunity and the stress on their health care system is a fraction of what it is here in the USA.
Tom