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It's easy to cure the Covid-19 epidemic--simply don't

I remember the orange faced babboon using this technique. President Trump tried cutting funds to Federal funds to testing sites, because that would reduce reported cases of C19.
Tom
 
Fake Covid-19 Certificates Hit Airlines, Which Now Have to Police Them - WSJ
Airlines are battling a scourge of passengers traveling with falsified Covid-19 health certificates.

The documents are often the Covid-19 test results required by many countries on arrival. The International Air Transport Association industry body says it has tracked fake certificates in multiple countries, from France to Brazil, Bangladesh and Afghanistan. Border control authorities and police forces have also reported arrests of people selling documents in the U.K., Spain, Indonesia and Zimbabwe, among others.

House Republicans stage rebellion over mask rules - POLITICO
A group of House Republicans revolted over their chamber's mask rules on Tuesday, the latest sign of tensions boiling over as Congress wrestles with how and when to return to pre-pandemic routines.

Around a dozen Republicans refused to wear masks during the evening vote series and strategically stood at the well of the chamber, which appears on the C-SPAN cameras, and seemed to encourage other members to join in.
Including Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene R-GA, Thomas Massie R-KY, Brian Mast R-FL, Lauren Boebert R-CO, Chip Roy R-TX, Ralph Normal R-SC, Beth Van Duyne R-TX, Louie Gohmert R-TX, & Mary Miller R-IL.
Rep. Jaime Raskin (D-Md.) also addressed the GOP group. "I said, 'if Donald Trump had come out from the beginning and said this is called a patriot mask, and everybody must wear one, otherwise you’re on the side of the enemies of the Republican Party, would they all be wearing masks?'" Raskin said, recounting his conversation later to reporters.
I like that. Give them a taste of their own medicine.
“None of us want to be fined, but if we’re vaccinated and CDC guidance says resume normal behavior then let’s do it,” Mast said.

But Pelosi and Democrats have said lawmakers could resume normal life more quickly if more of their Republican colleagues got vaccinated. Democrats say they feel uncomfortable being in closed-door settings without facial coverings until they know more GOP lawmakers have gotten the shot.

Roughly 75 percent of the House has been vaccinated, according to estimates from the Capitol physician that McCarthy has cited. All 219 Democrats reported to CNN that they're vaccinated, but only 95 out of 212 Republicans reported being vaccinated, while 112 did not respond to the survey.

“CDC guidelines are also very clear that the workplace can decide [their rules] based on their own unique conditions. I think we can acknowledge that the House floor is a very unique condition,” Rep. Pete Aguilar of California, vice chair of the Democratic caucus, said at a press conference. “Until we receive further guidance from the office of attending physician, we will be required to wear masks."

There have been signs that the Capitol is slowly creaking back to life: Votes are now 30 minutes rather than 45 minutes, and Democrats are expecting to resume their in-person caucus meetings after the recess, Democratic Caucus Chair Hakeem Jeffries of New York announced Tuesday. House GOP meetings have already taken place in the Capitol, with mask and social distancing requirements in place.
 
article said:
A CNN survey of Capitol Hill last week found Democratic lawmakers in both chambers of Congress have a 100% vaccination rate against Covid-19, significantly outpacing Republicans in the House and Senate and illustrating the partisan divide over the pandemic.

For Republicans, at least 44.8% of House members are vaccinated and at least 92% of senators are, CNN found.
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Less than half the GOP in the House are unvaccinated.
 
I had a couple threads cross my mind and the conclusion was "Good gawd, imagine if Trump was President during the AIDS epidemic!"
 

article said:
They observed a modest neutralization resistance to the vaccine-elicited antibodies. This is good news as it suggests that the current vaccines will protect against the B.1.617 and B.1.618 42 variants. This study, led by Professor Nathaniel R. Landau, is recently posted on the bioRxiv* server.

We didn't fail yet.
 

article said:
They observed a modest neutralization resistance to the vaccine-elicited antibodies. This is good news as it suggests that the current vaccines will protect against the B.1.617 and B.1.618 42 variants. This study, led by Professor Nathaniel R. Landau, is recently posted on the bioRxiv* server.

We didn't fail yet.

Yes, we did. This shows how we've failed. This has basically been a war of science against nature. Here are the sides.

Science:
  • Vaccinations
  • Smart Policies
  • Smart People

Nature:
  • Evolution
  • Dumb People
  • Brainwashed People

Nature showed it can easily win because a sufficient number of people are free to be dumb or brainwashed into not following smart policies and scientific tactics. So now the variants from India have already mutated to have partial resistance and since there is selection pressure these variants will mutate again conferring even greater protection. We have a never-ending battle with covid now. It's done.

As smart people we have to realize this is a big failure and adapt--whatever that means is up in the air: being forced to do booster shots every year; wearing masks in public transport, hospitals, schools forever; starting our own country; or something else.
 
We didn't fail yet.

Yes, we did. This shows how we've failed. This has basically been a war of science against nature. Here are the sides.

Science:
  • Vaccinations
  • Smart Policies
  • Smart People

Nature:
  • Evolution
  • Dumb People
  • Brainwashed People

Nature showed it can easily win because a sufficient number of people are free to be dumb or brainwashed into not following smart policies and scientific tactics. So now the variants from India have already mutated to have partial resistance and since there is selection pressure these variants will mutate again conferring even greater protection. We have a never-ending battle with covid now. It's done.

As smart people we have to realize this is a big failure and adapt--whatever that means is up in the air: being forced to do booster shots every year; wearing masks in public transport, hospitals, schools forever; starting our own country; or something else.

We started our own country. It's had 910 total fatalities from Covid since the disease was first identified (almost all of them over a year ago), from a population of 25 million people.

I would say "come and join us", but one of the reasons for our success is that we're not allowing that.
 
No, Science Clearly Shows That COVID-19 Wasn’t Leaked From A Wuhan Lab

Given that mutations occur, it's only a matter of time before a disease that's catastrophic for humanity leapt from animals to humans, and then it would be up to humanity to mitigate the spread and severity of the outbreaks, epidemics, and pandemics that would ensue. These events, known as zoonotic events, have happened countless times over human history. Contact between humans and chimpanzees is what led to HIV first appearing in humans. Animal farming with pigs and birds has led to the pandemics of swine and bird influenzas. The idea that SARS-CoV-2 originated in animals and then leapt to humans isn't an exotic explanation; it should be the default hypothesis.

The first red flag that should leap out at you, but perhaps only if you have some knowledge of virology to begin with, is the very idea that you could "know" what certain mutations would do — i.e., that you'd know what you'd create and what effect it would have on humans — without extensive testing in humans themselves.

For COVID-19, for example, we know that:

among the infected, asymptomatic cases represent a significant percentage of total cases,

while severe cases are relatively rare: 14% of total cases,

and critical cases, where respiratory failure, shock, or multi-organ dysfunction occurs, represent just ~5% of total cases,

and that only 2.3% of total cases are fatal, with every single documented fatality occurring among the critical case population.

This means, right off the bat, that if SARS-CoV-2 were engineered for the purpose of infecting and severely harming humans, it would have had to have been tested in at least hundreds of human subjects in order for scientists to know how effective it was. While we do have the ability to manipulate the genomes of viruses, or any other organism, for that matter, what we don't have the ability to do is to know how that will translate into effects of the virus in human (or any living) subjects.

More in the article.
 
Hard to falsify either side of the lab leak hypothesis and poor arguments by either side mean nothing for what the actual truth is.

I think that the second quote is not germane.

If it did come from the lab then many people working there would know that.

Also, even if a rock solid zoonotic source is found, what should be the protocols of gain of function research be going forward?
 
Nobody suggests that chinese purposefully manipulated virus to spread among humans.
So no, it does not clearly shows anything. The reason why some experts suspect leak from the lab is the fact that they still can't find C19 source in wild animals. It does not mean it does not exist or existed it's just highly unlikely that it would jump to human and then suddenly disappear among original host.

So it's possible that chinese found some virus in the wild some time ago, found it very interesting and started to experiment with it, infecting monkeys and such. Eventually creating some kind of hybrid with other (probably unknown to others) strains which resulted in this strain which does not exist in the wild which then leaked by accident. I repeat, the key reason, is the fact they can't find precursor to C19 in the wild.

We don't really know what chinese have in their labs.
There are reports of people being cured from cancer after being infected with C19. Chinese might have been trying to do just that in their research. This is my conspiracy theory :D
 
Nature Medicine. Published: 17 March 2020. "The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2."

Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus.

they suggest two theories:
1. Natural selection in an animal host before zoonotic transfer
They failed to find a host

2. Natural selection in humans following zoonotic transfer
they failed to explain away a fact that virus stayed in Wuhan human population, before mutating into C19.
 
they suggest two theories:
1. Natural selection in an animal host before zoonotic transfer
They failed to find a host

Who is "they?" Where did they look? Where is the work published?

2. Natural selection in humans following zoonotic transfer
they failed to explain away a fact that virus stayed in Wuhan human population, before mutating into C19.

The whole population?
 
Who is "they?" Where did they look? Where is the work published?
Authors in your link.
2. Natural selection in humans following zoonotic transfer
they failed to explain away a fact that virus stayed in Wuhan human population, before mutating into C19.

The whole population?
You need to read your own links.
Bottom line, the only way to exclude scenario with laboratory leak is to prove alternative scenario and they failed so far.
 
Nobody suggests that chinese purposefully manipulated virus to spread among humans.

You added "to spread among humans." Then, below, you go on to suggest Chinese manipulated virus.

So no, it does not clearly shows anything. The reason why some experts suspect leak from the lab...

Who are these experts and where is their published work on the leak?

... is the fact that they still can't find C19 source in wild animals.

Where did they look and where is the work published?

It does not mean it does not exist or existed it's just highly unlikely that it would jump to human and then suddenly disappear among original host.

Which potential original hosts were exhaustively tested and where is the work published?

So it's possible that chinese found some virus in the wild some time ago, found it very interesting and started to experiment with it, infecting monkeys and such. Eventually creating some kind of hybrid with other (probably unknown to others) strains which resulted in this strain which does not exist in the wild which then leaked by accident. I repeat, the key reason, is the fact they can't find precursor to C19 in the wild.

Who is "they?" Where have they looked? Where is their published work?

We don't really know what chinese have in their labs.
There are reports of people being cured from cancer after being infected with C19.

Who created these reports? Where are they published?

Chinese might have been trying to do just that in their research. This is my conspiracy theory :D

Do you have something more reliable than a conspiracy theory?
 
You added "to spread among humans." Then, below, you go on to suggest Chinese manipulated virus.
No, I said experimented, manipulated implies genetic editing, that can easily be detected and when people proclaim "manipulation" was not found it means gene editing was not found. It does not mean there are no more natural ways to manipulate.
Who are these experts and where is their published work on the leak?

... is the fact that they still can't find C19 source in wild animals.

Where did they look and where is the work published?
They looked everywhere and so far found nothing, so all publications are negative.
It does not mean it does not exist or existed it's just highly unlikely that it would jump to human and then suddenly disappear among original host.

Which potential original hosts were exhaustively tested and where is the work published?
Everywhere, all published work essentially say "no origin is found so far"
So it's possible that chinese found some virus in the wild some time ago, found it very interesting and started to experiment with it, infecting monkeys and such. Eventually creating some kind of hybrid with other (probably unknown to others) strains which resulted in this strain which does not exist in the wild which then leaked by accident. I repeat, the key reason, is the fact they can't find precursor to C19 in the wild.

Who is "they?" Where have they looked? Where is their published work?
Fucking scientists! Specifically Doctor Redford!
We don't really know what chinese have in their labs.
There are reports of people being cured from cancer after being infected with C19.

Who created these reports? Where are they published?
Reported and then parroted in the news.
Chinese might have been trying to do just that in their research. This is my conspiracy theory :D

Do you have something more reliable than a conspiracy theory?
Do you?
 
No, I said experimented, manipulated implies genetic editing, that can easily be detected and when people proclaim "manipulation" was not found it means gene editing was not found. It does not mean there are no more natural ways to manipulate.
Who are these experts and where is their published work on the leak?



Where did they look and where is the work published?
They looked everywhere and so far found nothing, so all publications are negative.
It does not mean it does not exist or existed it's just highly unlikely that it would jump to human and then suddenly disappear among original host.

Which potential original hosts were exhaustively tested and where is the work published?
Everywhere, all published work essentially say "no origin is found so far"
So it's possible that chinese found some virus in the wild some time ago, found it very interesting and started to experiment with it, infecting monkeys and such. Eventually creating some kind of hybrid with other (probably unknown to others) strains which resulted in this strain which does not exist in the wild which then leaked by accident. I repeat, the key reason, is the fact they can't find precursor to C19 in the wild.

Who is "they?" Where have they looked? Where is their published work?
Fucking scientists! Specifically Doctor Redford!
We don't really know what chinese have in their labs.
There are reports of people being cured from cancer after being infected with C19.

Who created these reports? Where are they published?
Reported and then parroted in the news.
Chinese might have been trying to do just that in their research. This is my conspiracy theory :D

Do you have something more reliable than a conspiracy theory?
Do you?

So you don't have any published studies and you are confusing Robert Redfield with Robert Redford.
 
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