Dem Post Mortem

[Loren Pechtel]

The whole point of the Reagan Republicans was to destroy the regulatory body of the Government.

I don't know where you got that idea from but it's not reality. Reduce government is not the same as destroying it.
Tom

He got the idea from what the Republicans have said. They want regulations gone.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Reagan / GOP started starving the beast in the 80s, and now they are taking out its teeth.

Both Reagan and the GOP are dead.

The GOP trashed the country so much during the Bush II administration that the Deep State billionaires took over.
Tom

Those people were in charge the entire time. You think CATO or the Heritage Foundation are a bunch of right-wing populists?

I'm not sure who you meant by "those people", or "the entire time". You seem to be mistaking the GOP for the Teaparty.

Yes, I believe that outfits like the heritage foundation and CATO have been supporting the Deep State and it's minions for a very long time. But they weren't in charge while the GOP existed, they took it over when the GOP crashed and burned. That was during the Bush II administration.
Tom

Why do you think they weren't simply the powers behind the scene?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There is literally nothing they can do. Impeachment will only be an option if Trump openly defies SCOTUS.

The only way this is going to be resolved is by force. Either federal law enforcement growing a spine and doing it's job, or by coup.

Coup? Nah - a simple assassination would suffice to preserve American democracy until the next election.
In fact, that or the Hamburglar are probably the only things that can enable a next election. No need for a coup.

A bullet would get rid of some of the stupidity, but it wouldn't do anything about the fascism.

 

[Elixir]

There is literally nothing they can do. Impeachment will only be an option if Trump openly defies SCOTUS.

The only way this is going to be resolved is by force. Either federal law enforcement growing a spine and doing it's job, or by coup.

Coup? Nah - a simple assassination would suffice to preserve American democracy until the next election.
In fact, that or the Hamburglar are probably the only things that can enable a next election. No need for a coup.

A bullet would get rid of some of the stupidity, but it wouldn't do anything about the fascism.

It would do everything about stopping the willy nilly ignoring of the law.
The rest of those goons won’t put their lives on the line. Trump does because his life is already on the line so he has nothing to lose by making his bid for Dictator of the World. He can and will pardon any lawbreaking by the minions. Let Vance or Mikey the Johnson try that, and they be impeached before nightfall.

 

[ZiprHead]

Don't preach at me. I voted for Harris/Walz as the lesser weevils.

After reading a couple differant threads with your content defending Trump, I don't believe you.

 

[Jarhyn]

The fact is, all the "centrist" Dems were planning on voting for Hillary anyway. She didn't lose or fail to attract you milquetoast corporate Dems.

All of you lot were ride or die on Hillary and she was going to win... And I'm sorry but if you are too blind to see how you're conflating who understands sex/gender between us, I'm not going to trust your intuition here, either.

The reality is that I am not alone in feeling betrayed by her and in general corporate Democrat disinterest in progressive causes.

Preventing AOC from being nominated to an important committee seat is as much the same phenomena as refusing to cede any political capital to Bernie at the convention.

If you don't understand why some large portion of the Democrat constituency would see betrayal of the interests of the common man in favor of corporate interests as a betrayal of their values and a reason to just plain not vote, then you are simply a fool as the subject goes.

Unless you had a hard time in some way voting for Hillary, you are not qualified to say why people would have a hard time voting for her. I'm sorry, but you're just not.

 

[TomC]

If you don't understand why some large portion of the Democrat constituency would see betrayal of the interests of the common man in favor of corporate interests as a betrayal of their values and a reason to just plain not vote, then you are simply a fool as the subject goes.

And if you don't understand that not voting for Hillary was a vote for Trump and the Teaparty, then you are a fool as the subject goes.
Tom

 

[Jarhyn]

If you don't understand why some large portion of the Democrat constituency would see betrayal of the interests of the common man in favor of corporate interests as a betrayal of their values and a reason to just plain not vote, then you are simply a fool as the subject goes.

And if you don't understand that not voting for Hillary was a vote for Trump and the Teaparty, then you are a fool as the subject goes.
Tom

I did vote for Hillary. My point is that YOU are in NO position to declare why anyone wouldn't want to.

 

[Swammerdami]

Absolutely hilarious! We all continue to be amazed that Americans were so utterly stupid as to elect D.J. Trump. These ACTUAL headlines demonstrate how hopeless even newspaper editors are at the simplest arithmetic. Enjoy.

 

[thebeave]

Absolutely hilarious! We all continue to be amazed that Americans were so utterly stupid as to elect D.J. Trump. These ACTUAL headlines demonstrate how hopeless even newspaper editors are at the simplest arithmetic. Enjoy.

Don McMillan does some good stuff. This one doesn't have anything to do with Trump, but married computer engineers will relate.

 

[Swammerdami]

Absolutely hilarious! We all continue to be amazed that Americans were so utterly stupid as to elect D.J. Trump. These ACTUAL headlines demonstrate how hopeless even newspaper editors are at the simplest arithmetic. Enjoy.

Don McMillan does some good stuff. This one doesn't have anything to do with Trump, but married computer engineers will relate.

Yes! He is great. I wish there were more hours in the day so I could watch all his work. (But I have a queue of unread books, unwatched movies, uncomposed messages, undone physio exercises, uneaten deliciousness and dosages, and now plan to shower/shave and venture off to enjoy acquaintanceship on Floating Fortune Road.)

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The fact is, all the "centrist" Dems were planning on voting for Hillary anyway. She didn't lose or fail to attract you milquetoast corporate Dems.

All of you lot were ride or die on Hillary and she was going to win... And I'm sorry but if you are too blind to see how you're conflating who understands sex/gender between us, I'm not going to trust your intuition here, either.

The reality is that I am not alone in feeling betrayed by her and in general corporate Democrat disinterest in progressive causes.

Preventing AOC from being nominated to an important committee seat is as much the same phenomena as refusing to cede any political capital to Bernie at the convention.

If you don't understand why some large portion of the Democrat constituency would see betrayal of the interests of the common man in favor of corporate interests as a betrayal of their values and a reason to just plain not vote, then you are simply a fool as the subject goes.

Unless you had a hard time in some way voting for Hillary, you are not qualified to say why people would have a hard time voting for her. I'm sorry, but you're just not.

Well, we saw all of the progressiveness the Democrats flushed into the system after W beat Gore and Trump beat Clinton. ???

But I'm glad people who felt so strongly to betray progressive principles by helping elect the wrong fucking person have their pedestal to hoist themselves upon.

 

[Elixir]

Well, we saw all of the progressiveness the Democrats flushed into the system after W SCOTUS beat Gore and Trump Putin beat Clinton. ???

FIFY

 

[Swammerdami]

Did the fascists win by trickery, cheating, illicit propaganda, and corrupt institutions like SCOTUS? Yes.

But that just means that rational and good-spirited people must try harder and with greater care if American democracy is to be saved.

 

[Jarhyn]

Well, we saw all of the progressiveness the Democrats flushed into the system after W SCOTUS beat Gore and Trump Putin beat Clinton. ???

FIFY

The fact is that time and again, democrats betray progressives. It's one of the reasons why "independents" exist as a faction, but why they attempt to make inroads into the Democrat party anyway.

As a result, the narrative that both parties are the same reigns supreme and that it's pointless to even try and yes, the fact is, at some point people are going to be willing to try anything to wake up their representatives who use secure districts to seat assholes like Pelosi.

There is an unfortunate reality wherein if someone threatens you for a resource that you both need to survive, and they are not willing to leave well enough alone, and they CAN rob you and make you die, the solution is to threaten spoiling the resource.

For decades, progressives asked for a seat.

For decades, it has been "It's a private organization" and "he's not a real Democrat" and milquetoast rolling-over for the fascists like good little controlled opposition.

It's been going on my whole life!

But what do you do when it is Pelosi in charge of the party structure? When money is speech? When we have legalized political bribes and insider trading that entice all but the most upright into selling their souls?

If you want people to be less tepid in supporting you, be less tepid in supporting them!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well, we saw all of the progressiveness the Democrats flushed into the system after W SCOTUS beat Gore and Trump Putin beat Clinton. ???

FIFY

The fact is that time and again, democrats betray progressives.

How many judicial nominees from Democrats have betrayed progressives? Which party's nominees gutted the Voting Rights Act, gave us Citizens United, ended Roe v Wade, took out Chevron, gave the US President near unchecked immunity..

As a result, the narrative that both parties are the same reigns supreme and that it's pointless to even try and yes, the fact is, at some point people are going to be willing to try anything to wake up their representatives who use secure districts to seat assholes like Pelosi.

"Assholes like Pelosi" got ACA passed in Congress which helped insure millions of uninsured Americans.

For decades, progressives asked for a seat.

For decades, it has been "It's a private organization" and "he's not a real Democrat" and milquetoast rolling-over for the fascists like good little controlled opposition.

Funny, people that consider themselves progressives and didn't vote for Clinton or Harris helped the Fascist Populists. Ironic. I hope they enjoy their view from the pedestals. Because their lack of pragmatism has fucked our country about as much as the GOP has.

 

[Jarhyn]

How many judicial nominees from Democrats have betrayed progressives

This contains a cacaphony of fallacies and misdirections. "Judicial nominees" from Democrats aren't germane to the betrayal of progressive principles by corporate Democrats.

"Assholes like Pelosi" got ACA passed

Sure... And where's your evidence that it wouldn't be passed with more progressives in seats and committees?

Funny, people that consider themselves progressives and didn't vote for Clinton or Harris helped the Fascist Populists.

And didn't help the people continuing to push Clinton or Harris.

Just quit riding "lesser of two evils". Progressives tried asking for support and got a big fat middle finger.

That happens enough times and yeah, the response is "ok, we let it burn."

You decided to fuck around, and you found out.

Pull your head out of your anus, and support concessions to progressives.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

How many judicial nominees from Democrats have betrayed progressives

This contains a cacaphony of fallacies and misdirections. "Judicial nominees" from Democrats aren't germane to the betrayal of progressive principles by corporate Democrats.

The fuck it is (<- whatever that means). Gay marriage is alive today in the US because of the courts not legislation.

In general, the expansion of rights in the US has come from the courts. And thanks to the pedestal hoisted progressives, the courts are retracting our rights now. So congrats to them achieving the opposite of what they wanted.

"Assholes like Pelosi" got ACA passed

Sure... And where's your evidence that it wouldn't be passed with more progressives in seats and committees?

ACA was dual-edged sword and it took some creative legislating to actually pass it into law. The Democrats had an advantage in the House, but it included a lot of blue dogs who'd end up losing their seats, but Pelosi got them to vote for it. The irony of you wanting more progs when the Blue Dogs fell on their swords to get that legislation passed. Pelosi was great at fundraising and whipping votes.

Funny, people that consider themselves progressives and didn't vote for Clinton or Harris helped the Fascist Populists.

And didn't help the people continuing to push Clinton or Harris.

Just quit riding "lesser of two evils". Progressives tried asking for support and got a big fat middle finger.

That happens enough times and yeah, the response is "ok, we let it burn."

You decided to fuck around, and you found out.

Congrats. I hope these people enjoy the shit they apparently are fine wallowing in.

 

[Jarhyn]

Gay marriage is alive today in the US because of the courts not legislation.

So, because legislatures failed to legislate in a betrayal of progressive interests, they passed the buck inappropriately to the courts to manage.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Gay marriage is alive today in the US because of the courts not legislation.

So, because legislatures failed to legislate in a betrayal of progressive interests, they passed the buck inappropriately to the courts to manage.

Brown v Board of Education, Roe v Wade, Griswold v Connecticut, ... been this way for almost a century.