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[ZiprHead]

WTAF???

Yeah. I suppose if an Indian citizen has an immigrant status and is applying for citizenship of another country, then he/she is no more an Indian citizen. Being Indian citizen was Shayamala's her previous status.

That's not what you said. You said:

Kamala's mother was not an Indian.

You said nothing about the mother's citizenship.

 

[Copernicus]

Years later? Iraq and WMDs!!! But in the inspections prior to invading, nothing was being found. There was no evidence Iraq had any WMDs. Post invasion it was pretty clear, there were no WMDs.

I'm not going to quibble. Those who opposed the war in Congress were right to do so. The evidence for WMDs was very shaky, and it came as no surprise to many of us that the claimed evidence was bogus. However, the proof really was not admitted until after Bush left office, IIRC.

2006, the W Admin, much to the chagrin of right-wing media, admitted the intel was wrong.

Woodward's Plan of Attack published in 2004 made it pretty clear that the W Admin knew the data was near non-existent. From my memory, there was a meeting that was to go over the evidence on WMDs in Iraq, and when the presentation was over, the big wigs were concerned with how little meat there was to the claim.

Right, Jimmy. I'm not disputing any of that. My original statement that you appeared to take issue with was: "People suspected at the time that the administration had lied us into that invasion, but the real proof of that only came years later." I stand by that statement. I think that we can now say in hindsight that the "intel" wasn't just mistaken, but it was only in 2006 that the administration blamed the intelligence services. What they didn't admit was that they deliberately spun the data that they got. And I still think that there are a lot of people who will claim that the administration was misled by intelligence services rather than that they themselves spun the intelligence to make it look more credible than it was. So they would still dispute that we were actually lied to.

None of that matters in the context of this thread. What is relevant is that Walz's motives for retiring have been called into question as a way of stinking up his 24 years of military service to the country. He has been openly branded a coward by his political opponents. We don't actually know what was going on in his head at the time. He does, and I agree with Toni that it doesn't matter. Walz qualified for retirement, and he was perfectly entitled to retire from the military at that time even if his opposition to the war was one of the reasons for it. He did not announce that he was retiring in protest, but that was his prerogative. Perhaps he wasn't going to tell fellow servicemen about to go off and risk their lives that he disagreed with their reasons for going. As a civilian, he exercised his Constitutional right to speak out publicly against the war, but he could do it with a clear conscience.

I respect him for the way he did that. Other Americans might take a dimmer view of his behavior. Antiwar advocates might feel he should have been outspoken as an active service member. Pro-war advocates might feel that he should have kept his mouth entirely shut about it after he retired. I think he took the path he thought most honorable.

 

[ZiprHead]

Now, she was 30, and certainly old enough not to be anybody's "prey", so "hunting" is not the right word.
No, she entered this relationship with intent and agency, but I doubt she entered it out of genuine attraction or romantic interest.

Your misogyny is showing. A woman could never be attracted to a handsome, powerful older man so she must be a slut.

 

[pood]

But somebody's racial identity is of chief importance for you lefties.

No it’s not. It’s only of importance to you Trumpies.

 

[southernhybrid]

But somebody's racial identity is of chief importance for you lefties.

No it’s not. It’s only of importance to you Trumpies.

Well, we do tend to value some diversity, which is a good thing. They love the white male patriarchy. Diversity is a positive, but not our chief concern. Still, it is past time that we had a female president, regardless of her ethnicity.

 

[pood]

But somebody's racial identity is of chief importance for you lefties.

No it’s not. It’s only of importance to you Trumpies.

Well, we do tend to value some diversity, which is a good thing. They love the white male patriarchy. Diversity is a positive, but not our chief concern. Still, it is past time that we had a female president, regardless of her ethnicity.

Yes, we do value diversity, which means racial identity is of no importance to us. It is only of importance ot right-wingers who want to suppress diversity by targeting people of color, women, and others who are not straight white cisgendered men for exclusion from public and private affairs.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

But somebody's racial identity is of chief importance for you lefties.

It's more that acknowledgment of truth is of utmost importance, which means we acknowledge history, of which the concept of race is a factor, and how history leads to the events of today. Too complicated apparently.

 

[laughing dog]

But somebody's racial identity is of chief importance for you lefties.

That one destroyed all past, present and future irony meters.

 

[Ford]

Now, she was 30, and certainly old enough not to be anybody's "prey", so "hunting" is not the right word.
No, she entered this relationship with intent and agency, but I doubt she entered it out of genuine attraction or romantic interest.

Your misogyny is showing. A woman could never be attracted to a handsome, powerful older man so she must be a slut.

And it's odd that this is the focus of his comments. If he really isn't misogynist and is fair and balanced, you'd think there would be at least a mention of the fact that Harris' opponent in the race is currently on his third wife, who is 24 years his junior. He is 32 years older than the porn star he had an affair with, but odd how Derec doesn't seem to have a problem with that. The other...other woman who publicly alleged an affair with Trump (Karen McDougal) is 25 years younger. His second wife (who he ditched Ivana for) is 18 years his junior, while his first wife - who is deceased - was only a few years younger. The one time Donnie had a "thing" for an older woman was when he cornered E. Jean Carroll in a dressing room, but of course that's been adjudicated in the courts as a sexual assault.


But we're supposed to be more concerned with the fact that Harris dated an older man once a long time ago? Weird...

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

It is only of importance ot right-wingers who want to suppress diversity by targeting people of color, women, and others who are not straight white cisgendered men for exclusion from public and private affairs.

You would hope that a person or group develops the maturity it takes to outgrow such a basic fear response. Some people never mature to such a point, however.

 

[BH]

Kamala may have got her foot in the door dating Brown but Fred Trump got a lot of money from his dad running whorehouses I have read.

 

[Shadowy Man]

But we're supposed to be more concerned with the fact that Harris dated an older man once a long time ago? Weird...

Apparently, the real tragedy is that some better qualified white man did not get the job because he didn’t think to sleep with Willie Brown.

 

[TomC]

Given how quickly and profoundly the political landscape has been changing lately,

Is there a place for betting on whether or not Donald Trump is the Republican candidate on voting day?

As the Trump campaign plummets it's an interesting question.
Tom

 

[Derec]

Kamala may have got her foot in the door dating Brown but Fred Trump got a lot of money from his dad running whorehouses I have read.

What is with this constant whataboutism with Trump? And not even Donald, but his father?

No Democrats (esp. non-white female ones) may be criticized for anything because Trump exists in the world?

 

[robnisch]

The self-proclaimed GOAT of cybersquatting sold HarrisWalz.com for $15k

Jeremy Green Eche of Brooklyn buys and saves websites for hypothetical presidential tickets. On Tuesday, he sold HarrisWalz.com to a person seemingly unconnected to either campaign.

www.kunc.org

Not big bucks but a good return on a $10 investment.

 

[BH]

Kamala may have got her foot in the door dating Brown but Fred Trump got a lot of money from his dad running whorehouses I have read.

What is with this constant whataboutism with Trump? And not even Donald, but his father?

No Democrats (esp. non-white female ones) may be criticized for anything because Trump exists in the world?

No, it's not that. Is just the Trump family seems to be trash each generation.

If Kamala did actually get ahead by sleeping with someone then yes it was wrong.

 

[Derec]

And it's odd that this is the focus of his comments. If he really isn't misogynist and is fair and balanced, you'd think there would be at least a mention of the fact that Harris' opponent in the race is currently on his third wife, who is 24 years his junior.

It's not a "focus" of my comments. I brought it up only as a contrast in how false sexual attacks on Vance are treated as acceptable, but mentioning things from Harris' past is deemed "misogynist" by the Ilk.
As far as your whataboutism with Trump, there is already more than enough obsession on this forum with that. In almost every thread Trump is getting brought in - case in point your post and others here. So no need for me to pile on as well.

The one time Donnie had a "thing" for an older woman was when he cornered E. Jean Carroll in a dressing room, but of course that's been adjudicated in the courts as a sexual assault.

That was such a bullshit verdict. That nutburger had zero evidence, and relied on the jurors' dislike of Trump to win millions on a false rape charge.

But we're supposed to be more concerned with the fact that Harris dated an older man once a long time ago? Weird...

The point is that there is incessant obsession with attacking Trump's personal life on here. And Vance gets attacked with a made-up story. All that is deemed acceptable, even laudable. But the second the shoe is on the other foot, and out come baseless accusations of "misogyny". Yes, that kind of double standard is indeed weird.

 

[Derec]

If Kamala did actually get ahead by sleeping with someone then yes it was wrong.

She certainly did get ahead by sleeping with "Slick" Willie Brown. But it is anathema even to mention it on here.

 

[Derec]

That one destroyed all past, present and future irony meters.

That's because all your meters are of shoddy Soviet manufacture. Made in the same factory that made radiation meters at Chernobyl.

 

[Derec]

It's more that acknowledgment of truth is of utmost importance, which means we acknowledge history, of which the concept of race is a factor, and how history leads to the events of today. Too complicated apparently.

No, it is way too simplistic. It is punishing people today who kind of look like some other people in history and who did bad things to advantage people who look like some people who were harmed in history.
It's insane ideology, but it is not "too complicated" to understand.