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I'm a middle-aged Hispanic guy who worked hard to be middle-class, and I hate the smug superior attitude of the progressives who want to "help" me.

Also middle class, although just barely hanging onto it, and progressively liberal. And I don't know what kind of people you've run into. But if you agree with what Politesse said:
... Northern liberals are racist to their core, they just don't like to say out loud in mixed company.

I find that kind of generalization very offensive. Maybe you mean the religious ones. The atheists and humanists I know of only want minorities to be treated fairly. And if you don't want to take advantage of the social programs they promote you're fine to go it on your own. I think it's better for everyone when those programs are available when people really need them no matter what your ancestry, gender, religious belief, or sexual preference. We celibrate diversity. Perhaps it comes across as smugness, I don't know how it appears to you. But that really is what differentiates us from the Republicans these days.

I live in the upper midwest.

There are a lot of racists here.

Not the kind of racists that would lynch a black person for registering to vote.

Just the kind that has internalized it so much that they throw out the welcome mat for Somalis---and say very nasty things about their coworkers who are US born and black and whose grandparents are also black and born in the US while congratulating themselves over how liberal they are to welcome those very black Somalis. And how much they've grown since being disgustingly racists towards the immigrants from SE Asia 20-30 years ago. Oh, they're still racist towards them, but much more polite and more subtle about it. And ignore how racist they are towards Native Americans and Hispanics.

Look at the educational disparities between .white students and students of color in say, Minnesota or Wisconsin or Iowa.

So, yeah, I would agree with Politesse, having been a northerner all my life.
 
I guess it's more horrific to me because of the blatant hypocrisy of it all. They act like they are owed minority votes in every election, but whenever they actually gain substantial power (such as in my state right now), things don't get better for anyone with the wrong skin color and often actually get worse. If you're going to discriminate, I guess do so, but don't lie to my face, you know? The current DNC frontrunner is such because he is supposedly more "electable" than any of his competitors. If you think that's code for anything other than "he's an old white guy" I've got a bridge on Lake Havasu to sell you. Because said guy has run for and handily lost this very office several times. Northern liberals are racist to their core, they just don't like to say out loud in mixed company.

Buddy: you are exaggerating a little here! I also think that it it's a little discriminatory to assume that minorities only vote democratic expecting whites to fix everything for us! More electable to me refers to the fact that Biden is simply less scary: he wants less change, he's more optimistic, will appeal to more moderates and etc. He's also a known commodity coming from the Obama administration. Obama was extremely electable and he wasn't white!

I said nothing about the motivations of "minorities" only those of white liberal society, whose support for racial equality and especially admixture is seldom more than... skin deep? And underneath that veneer there is all too often, though not always, a shocking amount of disdain for the inhabitants of the sprawling racialized ghettoes of the North and West.
 
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Presidential Scorecard — Sunrise Movement
  • How they talk about it
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  • Plan to win
  • Green New Deal Vision
    • Emissions Reduction Ambition
    • Jobs and Economic Security
    • Investments in Infrastructure and Industry
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    • Equity and Justice
They rated Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Joe Biden, and they found scores 183, 165, 75 out of 200. In individual criteria, EW either equaled BS or was a little bit less, while JB was usually worse than both of them.

The Sunrise Movement people plan to rate more candidates, but candidates dropping out will mean less work for them.
 
Look at the educational disparities between .white students and students of color in say, Minnesota or Wisconsin or Iowa.
Such disparities also exist in DeKalb County, Fulton County and City of Atlanta, all governed by mostly black people.
A disparity of outcomes is NOT evidence of (anti-black) racism.
 
They rated Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Joe Biden, and they found scores 183, 165, 75 out of 200. In individual criteria, EW either equaled BS or was a little bit less, while JB was usually worse than both of them.

The Sunrise Movement people plan to rate more candidates, but candidates dropping out will mean less work for them.

I wonder what Sunrise Movement and similar groups think of Warren and Sanders rivalry. They may end up taking votes away from each other. For example, Sanders might win Iowa if it was not for Warren in the race. Of course, that may also be the case for Biden, Buttigieg and later perhaps Bloomberg as well (the Moderate Bs).
 
The polling seems a bit odd right now. There is little reason for polling data to be changing other than loss of excitement behind a candidate. Warren is dropping ground because... ?

Biden has the whole non-scandal of Ukraine weighing a bit on him for some reason. Sanders, I think is a known quantity, so he may just be floating bit up with the tide.
 
Also middle class, although just barely hanging onto it, and progressively liberal. And I don't know what kind of people you've run into. But if you agree with what Politesse said:


I find that kind of generalization very offensive. Maybe you mean the religious ones. The atheists and humanists I know of only want minorities to be treated fairly. And if you don't want to take advantage of the social programs they promote you're fine to go it on your own. I think it's better for everyone when those programs are available when people really need them no matter what your ancestry, gender, religious belief, or sexual preference. We celibrate diversity. Perhaps it comes across as smugness, I don't know how it appears to you. But that really is what differentiates us from the Republicans these days.

I live in the upper midwest.

There are a lot of racists here.

Not the kind of racists that would lynch a black person for registering to vote.

Just the kind that has internalized it so much that they throw out the welcome mat for Somalis---and say very nasty things about their coworkers who are US born and black and whose grandparents are also black and born in the US while congratulating themselves over how liberal they are to welcome those very black Somalis. And how much they've grown since being disgustingly racists towards the immigrants from SE Asia 20-30 years ago. Oh, they're still racist towards them, but much more polite and more subtle about it. And ignore how racist they are towards Native Americans and Hispanics.

Look at the educational disparities between .white students and students of color in say, Minnesota or Wisconsin or Iowa.

So, yeah, I would agree with Politesse, having been a northerner all my life.

Well what it sounds like you agreeing with:
... Northern liberals are racist to their core, they just don't like to say out loud in mixed company.
is not that a lot of people in the northern midwest are racist, or even that a lot of northern liberals are racist, but that all northern liberals are racist or can safely be assumed to be racist to the core. That pretty much leaves none of us out and in no uncertain terms. Which pretty much defines the word bigotry.
 

How so! A Sanders Presidency would spell the end of American free enterprise, even though he would struggle to get his far left socialist agenda through both houses.

When have I heard this chicken little crap before? Oh, yeah, this guy. America was the Capital Wasteland before Trump came into power.

There has never been such a socialist as Sanders in the White house before, ever! Most if not all Democrat Presidents of the past have been slightly left of center, except for the Appeaser In Chief Obama who was more concerned about not offending muzzies, and even had Muslim Brotherhood [a terrorist group] members among his administration.
 
Elect only right winged super-Capitalists. Look at how great that worked out in Kansas and Louisiana. This right winged low tax small government stuff has worked out so well in the US deep South. Mississppi, Alabama, West Virginia.
 
Well what it sounds like you agreeing with:
... Northern liberals are racist to their core, they just don't like to say out loud in mixed company.
is not that a lot of people in the northern midwest are racist, or even that a lot of northern liberals are racist, but that all northern liberals are racist or can safely be assumed to be racist to the core. That pretty much leaves none of us out and in no uncertain terms. Which pretty much defines the word bigotry.
The one thing everyone can agree on.

Calling out racism is the only true form of racism.
 
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