Democrats 2020

[Jolly_Penguin]

I think Biden/Warren could win. But I think they'd do better with Biden/Sanders or Biden with somebody else from the progressive wing. Warren should have run last time around, and I think she seriously hurt her political capital with the progressives by failing to do so and failing to support Sanders last election, and with the mainstream and centrists with her Pocahontas thing with Trump. She didn't handle him well. She played into him and I think that cost her.

 

[just_me]

I think Warren would be a good president. I think, however, the whole Pocahontas thing will be an albatross. True or false, the constant harping on this will be a major drag on any ticket.

i too thought about that, but it can be argued that EW might have been told that by relatives since she was young and simply believed it as fact. I can't see her taking a genetic test when she did, if she knew that she wasn't of native Indian decent. I mean, every since I was young, I've been told that I'm related to Mark Twain. That doesn't actually make it so, but there is a little bit of pride that comes to me when I think about it.

 

[Toni]

I think Warren would be a good president. I think, however, the whole Pocahontas thing will be an albatross. True or false, the constant harping on this will be a major drag on any ticket.

The bad part about the whole Pocahontas thing with regards to Warren is that she was so easily trolled by Trump. The truly bad part, of course, is that we have a racist as POTUS who not only doesn’t bother to try to hide it, but actually has capitalized on it to the extent that it’s half of his platform. And a successful platform at that.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I think Warren would be a good president. I think, however, the whole Pocahontas thing will be an albatross. True or false, the constant harping on this will be a major drag on any ticket.

The bad part about the whole Pocahontas thing with regards to Warren is that she was so easily trolled by Trump.

That's exactly the problem. She was so easily played by Trump. Trump. Obama would have handled it much better. Imagine how Putin would play her.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

A Biden/Warren ticket? Just how long have you been rooting for the Republicans?

Old school Democrats are not Republicans.

I think you misunderstand, I am not saying that they are Republicans.

 

[Derec]

Why this fascination with youth

We are not talking youth really, we are talking middle age. While constitution says you have to be at least 35 to run, serious candidates have always been at least in their 40s. Unlike some, I do not advocate 20-somethings should be president. But at the same time, it is hardly controversial that at an advanced age both physical and mental faculties start to decline.
If you have an older candidate, you might want a younger running mate, if for no other reason than to hedge against the risk of both of them becoming incapacitated due to age-related risks.

and what is wrong with NE?

Nothing really. But presidential candidates will usually seek to balance their ticket geographically. New Yorker Trump picked a mid-westerner Pence. Obama, from Hawaii but living in Chicago picked Biden from Delaware.

I can't see the any great benefit to youth when the time these people have to influence the country is so short. We are looking at maybe 16 years in the Presidency to effect change if both of them win two terms in office and that will most likely the time it will take to turn this country around, given the damage that President Trump will do by the time he leaves.

8 years is two terms. Biden will be 78 at inauguration time, meaning he will be 86 after two terms. At that time Warren would be 79 herself. People in their 80s definitely slow down both physically and cognitively, and are at an increased risk from all sorts of illnesses.

 

[Elixir]

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It isn't a feature of Anarchism.

Which has proven to be a very durable, fair system for the governance of millions of people.
Oh, wait - no it hasn't. It has routinely resulted in massive bloodshed, inequity and eventually, feudalism when applied to significant populations.

 

[Toni]

We are not talking youth really, we are talking middle age. While constitution says you have to be at least 35 to run, serious candidates have always been at least in their 40s. Unlike some, I do not advocate 20-somethings should be president. But at the same time, it is hardly controversial that at an advanced age both physical and mental faculties start to decline.
If you have an older candidate, you might want a younger running mate, if for no other reason than to hedge against the risk of both of them becoming incapacitated due to age-related risks.


Nothing really. But presidential candidates will usually seek to balance their ticket geographically. New Yorker Trump picked a mid-westerner Pence. Obama, from Hawaii but living in Chicago picked Biden from Delaware.

I can't see the any great benefit to youth when the time these people have to influence the country is so short. We are looking at maybe 16 years in the Presidency to effect change if both of them win two terms in office and that will most likely the time it will take to turn this country around, given the damage that President Trump will do by the time he leaves.

8 years is two terms. Biden will be 78 at inauguration time, meaning he will be 86 after two terms. At that time Warren would be 79 herself. People in their 80s definitely slow down both physically and cognitively, and are at an increased risk from all sorts of illnesses.

I don’t disagree with this. It’s also important to consider how stressful the job is. Just look at the images of any former POTUS at the beginning of his term(s) and at the end. The stress is enormous. I have serious qualms about many of the candidates and Trump himself on the basis of their age.

 

[untermensche]

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It isn't a feature of Anarchism.

Which has proven to be a very durable, fair system for the governance of millions of people.
Oh, wait - no it hasn't. It has routinely resulted in massive bloodshed, inequity and eventually, feudalism when applied to significant populations.

Nothing can be proven to be durable in the present world.

Any alternative to US capitalism is attacked viciously just as the Anarchists were attacked.

But their system was doing better than the capitalist system of Spain. The Anarchists were more productive than the capitalists when left alone.

 

[southernhybrid]

This thread has achieved peak centrism. Let's not make people upset by recognizing the imminent threat to our species and the unfixable problems of capitalism, let's instead talk about how bad labels are and how the basic problem is human nature, thereby ensuring that nothing of substance actually changes in our way of life. We are already living in the hellworld that brought us Trump, and it's the one boomers left for us by eking out platitudes about moderation and civility from their mashed potato brains while being wrong about everything. Fuck liberals and fuck Democrats if they think now is the time to play it safe with a friendly moderate.

I understand that your views are very different from the majority. I think it would be good for you to come to terms with that fact. None of us ever get everything we want, and that is why we compromise. I'm sorry that you feel so angry that you need to resort to refer to those who disagree with you as having "mash potato brains". Does it make you feel better to insult other people? By the way, there are plenty of younger people who label themselves as conservatives. My husband used to work with quite a few who considered themselves part of the alt right. Their average age was about 35. None of them were boomers. So, it would be nice if you stop blaming things that you don't like on older folks.

My primary concern is climate change, but unless other large countries get on board, our efforts will be in vain. It was a huge mistake for AOC, who I consider a well meaning idealist, to include plans for free stuff for people who don't want to work etc. in her so called Green Deal. Plus, whether you like it or not, we can't make drastic changes over night. We've been warned about the changing climate, pollution, poor water quality, waste etc. since the 70s, but not enough action has been taken, largely due to obstruction by the right. Trump is taking us backwards, and unless we are realistic about the candidate that we choose, we can expect four more years of Trump or Pence.

 

[untermensche]

Biden hasn't had an idea in 2 decades.

He is the past.

I would love to see Bernie take on Trump. Maybe with Warren as VP.

That would be interesting. Have you heard what she is saying about breaking up Facebook, Goggle and the rest?

I have not heard about it.

Corporate power is a form of real power.

Pretty stupid to have a separations of powers in government and leave corporate power unchecked.

 

[Politesse]

I don't know about many of those running for the office, but I do think that of those who are, the ones that walk into that final arena should have the name recognition and the moxie to bring together the new and the old sides of the Democratic party and pull in those outside the party, as well.

I think a Joe Biden/ Elizabeth Warren ticket would probably be the best bet to take the White House. What do you guys think?

Ideally? Robert Reich.

 

[just_me]

Biden hasn't had an idea in 2 decades.

He is the past.

I would love to see Bernie take on Trump. Maybe with Warren as VP.

That would be interesting. Have you heard what she is saying about breaking up Facebook, Goggle and the rest?

I have not heard about it.

Corporate power is a form of real power.

Pretty stupid to have a separations of powers in government and leave corporate power unchecked.

Especially the information media. Just look at what Russia did in 2016 when they ran all those faulse adds. Just thing what would happen if Goggle decided they didn't like one of the Democratic legislators and trid to bury anything good about him/her.

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I don't know about many of those running for the office, but I do think that of those who are, the ones that walk into that final arena should have the name recognition and the moxie to bring together the new and the old sides of the Democratic party and pull in those outside the party, as well.

I think a Joe Biden/ Elizabeth Warren ticket would probably be the best bet to take the White House. What do you guys think?

Ideally? Robert Reich.

How so?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I have not heard about it.

Corporate power is a form of real power.

Pretty stupid to have a separations of powers in government and leave corporate power unchecked.

Especially the information media. Just look at what Russia did in 2016 when they ran all those faulse adds. Just thing what would happen if Goggle decided they didn't like one of the Democratic legislators and trid to bury anything good about him/her.

Just look at what Google did to a Republican legislator and presidential candidate in 2008 and 2012.

But don't you think the Russia conspiracy theory has played out by now? Did a lot of people really see a Russian bot post a picture of Jesus and Satan arm-wrestling and decide "well shucks now I gotta vote for Trump"?

 

[just_me]

I have not heard about it.

Corporate power is a form of real power.

Pretty stupid to have a separations of powers in government and leave corporate power unchecked.

Especially the information media. Just look at what Russia did in 2016 when they ran all those faulse adds. Just thing what would happen if Goggle decided they didn't like one of the Democratic legislators and trid to bury anything good about him/her.

Just look at what Google did to a Republican legislator and presidential candidate in 2008 and 2012.

But don't you think the Russia conspiracy theory has played out by now? Did a lot of people really see a Russian bot post a picture of Jesus and Satan arm-wrestling and decide "well shucks now I gotta vote for Trump"?

You have to ask them. the main thing is it happened back then and history that is forgotten can easily be repeated. I don't discount anything when there are more an more players and money to be had. it's just too enticing for some people.

I'm not a republican or Democrat basher. I look at people and personalities when I look at politicians. As for the movers and the shakers, I look at everyone and anyone, including myself. No one is above being corrupted and it's always the subtle suggestions and the minor nudges that win the day after they've been repeated enough time.

Lets not also forget that the field of rivals are so high and politics are so cut throat.

 

[lpetrich]

2020 contender Andrew Yang says "basic income" proposal is not socialism - CBS News

New York businessman and Democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang believes his "tranformational" universal basic income proposal — which would give every American over the age of 18 a $1,000 stipend each month — is not part of a socialist platform.

That's $12,000/year, about 1/5 the US GDP per capita.

Yang told CBS News he's not concerned his proposal could become an easy political target for Republicans eager to denounce socialism and government giveaways because he believes the monthly stipends would invigorate America's capitalist economy.

 

[Copernicus]

Elizabeth Warren gets it: Senator Elizabeth Warren: It’s ‘Just Wrong’ To Call Me A Socialist. That's one reason why I much prefer her over Sanders.

 

[just_me]

I think Warren would be a good president. I think, however, the whole Pocahontas thing will be an albatross. True or false, the constant harping on this will be a major drag on any ticket.

The bad part about the whole Pocahontas thing with regards to Warren is that she was so easily trolled by Trump. The truly bad part, of course, is that we have a racist as POTUS who not only doesn’t bother to try to hide it, but actually has capitalized on it to the extent that it’s half of his platform. And a successful platform at that.

President Trump has a mind like Don Rickles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Rickles
All you need to do is get in front of his cross hairs

 

[Derec]

Elizabeth Warren gets it: Senator Elizabeth Warren: It’s ‘Just Wrong’ To Call Me A Socialist. That's one reason why I much prefer her over Sanders.

That is well taken. Sanders could have spared himself a lot of grief by being more careful with nomenclature.

That said, Warren just doesn't have the it-factor, the pizzazz, whatever you want to call it, compared to Sanders.
On PredictIt markets, Biden and Sanders are trading between 20 and 25 cents, and Kamala Harris and β are the only others above a dime. Warren is down with Booker and Klobuchar at 6 cents.

 

[PyramidHead]

President Trump has a mind like Don Rickles.

Yes: rotting and worm-infested