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[whichphilosophy]

It will be about three generations or less before the UK becomes an Islamic state.

And you've still presented fuck all credible data to back up this assertion.

Just like all the other scaremongers in this utterly shit thread have come up with fuck all to validate their claims, and instead keep repeating the same horseshit over and over and over and over and over and over.

There were some posts flying around on this towards the end of last year as I recall. I did quote some research studies. There are conflicts but the increase due to immigration, conversions, less apostates does indicate an increase. If I get time I will see if I can locate them. We can recycle the same old horseshit again.

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All of the above is like sticking ones finger in the dyke to stop the flooding of the country.

European policy has blown open the dykes and flood gates. There's just no place to put one's finger any more.

 

[bigfield]

And you've still presented fuck all credible data to back up this assertion.

Just like all the other scaremongers in this utterly shit thread have come up with fuck all to validate their claims, and instead keep repeating the same horseshit over and over and over and over and over and over.

There were some posts flying around on this towards the end of last year as I recall. I did quote some research studies. There are conflicts but the increase due to immigration, conversions, less apostates does indicate an increase. If I get time I will see if I can locate them. We can recycle the same old horseshit again.

Last year? You dumped that horseshit two weeks ago.

It was a fine example of a the gross misapplication of extrapolation.

 

[Warpoet]

There were some posts flying around on this towards the end of last year as I recall. I did quote some research studies. There are conflicts but the increase due to immigration, conversions, less apostates does indicate an increase. If I get time I will see if I can locate them. We can recycle the same old horseshit again.

And again, you shift the goalposts when challenged. That there's an increase is not in dispute - the Pew data and plenty of other sources indicate this. What is in dispute is the outlandish claim that the UK or Europe generally will become Islamic. There is no data to support this argument, everyone who's tried to find it has failed and you're not going to fare any better. It's a right-wing fantasy.

One of the problems with message boards is the lack of finality to these discussions; whereas a face-to-face exchange or some kind of formal dialogue invariably terminates, threads like this don't. Even though not a single new or interesting thing has been said for months (or, in fact, at any point in the thread), it still drags along, just like the knuckles of its OP and several others within it, till kingdom fucking come.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I live here and I have failed to notice any problems with Moslem immigration that stem from their Islamism specifically. I'm aware that Islam gets blamed a lot for stuff. But I think it's bullshit. In fact I can only see positives. So if that's a foretaste I'm eagerly awaiting the main course.

What is "positive" about women being forced to wear burqas, for example? Or are you pretending it has nothing to do with islamism?

Women in the west haven't been forced to wear burqas. You might argue some indirect social pressure. Which I'd grant. And children might get forced to. But that has always been a privilege of parenthood. But adult women aren't being forced to it. It's always been a myth.

It's a fucking mystery to me why western Muslim ladies are into it. But that's a separate discussion. Also their privilege. That's the thing with freedom. Sometimes people use their freedom in ways we don't like. It's still freedom. Lack of force is freedom. Nobody is being forced.

 

[TSwizzle]

What is "positive" about women being forced to wear burqas, for example? Or are you pretending it has nothing to do with islamism?

The burqa or headscarf will be the least of their worries.

 

[angelo]

There were some posts flying around on this towards the end of last year as I recall. I did quote some research studies. There are conflicts but the increase due to immigration, conversions, less apostates does indicate an increase. If I get time I will see if I can locate them. We can recycle the same old horseshit again.

And again, you shift the goalposts when challenged. That there's an increase is not in dispute - the Pew data and plenty of other sources indicate this. What is in dispute is the outlandish claim that the UK or Europe generally will become Islamic. There is no data to support this argument, everyone who's tried to find it has failed and you're not going to fare any better. It's a right-wing fantasy.

One of the problems with message boards is the lack of finality to these discussions; whereas a face-to-face exchange or some kind of formal dialogue invariably terminates, threads like this don't. Even though not a single new or interesting thing has been said for months (or, in fact, at any point in the thread), it still drags along, just like the knuckles of its OP and several others within it, till kingdom fucking come.

Have any researches done a study of the growth of moslems in Europe based on the present mass migration? All past research was done while there was an orderly influx into Europe, not the millions now invading the place!

 

[whichphilosophy]

There were some posts flying around on this towards the end of last year as I recall. I did quote some research studies. There are conflicts but the increase due to immigration, conversions, less apostates does indicate an increase. If I get time I will see if I can locate them. We can recycle the same old horseshit again.

And again, you shift the goalposts when challenged. That there's an increase is not in dispute - the Pew data and plenty of other sources indicate this. What is in dispute is the outlandish claim that the UK or Europe generally will become Islamic. There is no data to support this argument, everyone who's tried to find it has failed and you're not going to fare any better. It's a right-wing fantasy.

One of the problems with message boards is the lack of finality to these discussions; whereas a face-to-face exchange or some kind of formal dialogue invariably terminates, threads like this don't. Even though not a single new or interesting thing has been said for months (or, in fact, at any point in the thread), it still drags along, just like the knuckles of its OP and several others within it, till kingdom fucking come.

This was one of the research groups. There are different viewpoints and really this will not be totally finalized. However, the increased amount coming in, plus relatives then invited to join (sometimes through marriage) plus higher birth rates per family were topics discussed. I think it was Pew which suggested Islam is not expanding in Europe as the conversion rate does not match the departure rate. 100 years is a long time. It just depends on the mathematics.

Later when I get time I will get the statistics and heat up the old horse-do again. Face to face dialogue is okay providing adequate preparation is made. It also means whoever I am speaking to gets it right from the horses bottom.

I will try to find the time but I think my old notes may have been deleted.

 

[whichphilosophy]

And again, you shift the goalposts when challenged. That there's an increase is not in dispute - the Pew data and plenty of other sources indicate this. What is in dispute is the outlandish claim that the UK or Europe generally will become Islamic. There is no data to support this argument, everyone who's tried to find it has failed and you're not going to fare any better. It's a right-wing fantasy.

One of the problems with message boards is the lack of finality to these discussions; whereas a face-to-face exchange or some kind of formal dialogue invariably terminates, threads like this don't. Even though not a single new or interesting thing has been said for months (or, in fact, at any point in the thread), it still drags along, just like the knuckles of its OP and several others within it, till kingdom fucking come.

Have any researches done a study of the growth of moslems in Europe based on the present mass migration? All past research was done while there was an orderly influx into Europe, not the millions now invading the place!

There is research being done now. Warpoet quoted the Pew Institute.

 

[faded_Glory]

Here is a breakdown of how black, Asian and minorities have voted in the last UK General Election (2015). Out of a total of 3 million of such voters, 52% voted Labour, 33% voted Conservative and the rest voted Libdem, Greens, UKIP and SNP.

Wow, all those scary immigrants who are invading the country and will turn it into a Muslim caliphate are voting.... for the mainstream political parties!

Yes, I am really scared now.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-4-charts-that-show-labour-may-be-losing-the-ethnic-minority-vote-10274051.html

 

[angelo]

Here is a breakdown of how black, Asian and minorities have voted in the last UK General Election (2015). Out of a total of 3 million of such voters, 52% voted Labour, 33% voted Conservative and the rest voted Libdem, Greens, UKIP and SNP.

Wow, all those scary immigrants who are invading the country and will turn it into a Muslim caliphate are voting.... for the mainstream political parties!

Yes, I am really scared now.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-4-charts-that-show-labour-may-be-losing-the-ethnic-minority-vote-10274051.html

That 20% more vote left doesn't faze you? After all, it's the self loathing left that hates restrictions on migration!

 

[bilby]

Here is a breakdown of how black, Asian and minorities have voted in the last UK General Election (2015). Out of a total of 3 million of such voters, 52% voted Labour, 33% voted Conservative and the rest voted Libdem, Greens, UKIP and SNP.

Wow, all those scary immigrants who are invading the country and will turn it into a Muslim caliphate are voting.... for the mainstream political parties!

Yes, I am really scared now.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-4-charts-that-show-labour-may-be-losing-the-ethnic-minority-vote-10274051.html

That 20% more vote left doesn't faze you? After all, it's the self loathing left that hates restrictions on migration!

And you expect immigrants to vote for the immigrant loathing right instead?

Your cart is going to get pretty tired dragging that horse around.

 

[bigfield]

Here is a breakdown of how black, Asian and minorities have voted in the last UK General Election (2015). Out of a total of 3 million of such voters, 52% voted Labour, 33% voted Conservative and the rest voted Libdem, Greens, UKIP and SNP.

Wow, all those scary immigrants who are invading the country and will turn it into a Muslim caliphate are voting.... for the mainstream political parties!

Yes, I am really scared now.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...losing-the-ethnic-minority-vote-10274051.html

That 20% more vote left doesn't faze you? After all, it's the self loathing left that hates restrictions on migration!

The left wing of European politics is also pro-secularisation.

Religion is on the decline in Europe--short-term trends due to immigration aren't going to turn that around, no matter what you statistically-illiterate fascists believe.

 

[angelo]

That 20% more vote left doesn't faze you? After all, it's the self loathing left that hates restrictions on migration!

And you expect immigrants to vote for the immigrant loathing right instead?

Your cart is going to get pretty tired dragging that horse around.

No it wouldn't be expected that chickens would vote for Colonel Sanders. But the rise in popularity of anti immigration parties throughout the world says it all.

 

[bilby]

And you expect immigrants to vote for the immigrant loathing right instead?

Your cart is going to get pretty tired dragging that horse around.

No it wouldn't be expected that chickens would vote for Colonel Sanders. But the rise in popularity of anti immigration parties throughout the world says it all.

By the same logic, the rise in popularity of the NSDAP in the 1930s demonstrates that there really was a 'Jewish Problem'.

The mob are against it - so it must be a genuine threat.

Of course none of today's anti-immigration parties are even close to as popular with the voters as the NSDAP was.

 

[angelo]

No it wouldn't be expected that chickens would vote for Colonel Sanders. But the rise in popularity of anti immigration parties throughout the world says it all.

By the same logic, the rise in popularity of the NSDAP in the 1930s demonstrates that there really was a 'Jewish Problem'.

The mob are against it - so it must be a genuine threat.

Of course none of today's anti-immigration parties are even close to as popular with the voters as the NSDAP was.

No! Watch Trump in the States!

 

[whichphilosophy]

That 20% more vote left doesn't faze you? After all, it's the self loathing left that hates restrictions on migration!

And you expect immigrants to vote for the immigrant loathing right instead?

Your cart is going to get pretty tired dragging that horse around.

This is most likely why Labour likes to bus in immigrants to the UK. The parties win on swing votes. The main issue is on economic migrants (except with a work visa). All the parties are not objecting to asylum seekers.

Of course right wing fanatics don't want any immigration but the issue is on economic migration in terms of the high volume coming over.

Of course the famous straw man (or rather straw donkey) is that those wishing to control migration are racist. The UK is lacking tighter border controls for security reasons.
The UK does not actually need more people. There is of course the racist statement that immigrants do the jobs Britons cannot do. There are still needs for skills for overseas workers in some areas that can be filled by workers who should have a contract and a work visa. Some are sneaking into the UK and fill odd jobs in sweatshops (garments and fruit picking etc, small shops, restaurants and odd casual labour such as car washes).

 

[angelo]

No it wouldn't be expected that chickens would vote for Colonel Sanders. But the rise in popularity of anti immigration parties throughout the world says it all.

By the same logic, the rise in popularity of the NSDAP in the 1930s demonstrates that there really was a 'Jewish Problem'.

The mob are against it - so it must be a genuine threat.

Of course none of today's anti-immigration parties are even close to as popular with the voters as the NSDAP was.

A completely different kettle of fish. The NSDAP rise to power was on the back of the despair and austere conditions not ' a Jewish Problem. ' They told the people what they wanted hear. The remaking of Germany!

 

[whichphilosophy]

No it wouldn't be expected that chickens would vote for Colonel Sanders. But the rise in popularity of anti immigration parties throughout the world says it all.

By the same logic, the rise in popularity of the NSDAP in the 1930s demonstrates that there really was a 'Jewish Problem'.

The mob are against it - so it must be a genuine threat.

Of course none of today's anti-immigration parties are even close to as popular with the voters as the NSDAP was.

The rise of NASDAP in Germany's history bears no relationship to the need to control immigration into the UK and Europe. This is just a deceptive bogey man to try and identify border controls to national socialism.

 

[bilby]

By the same logic, the rise in popularity of the NSDAP in the 1930s demonstrates that there really was a 'Jewish Problem'.

The mob are against it - so it must be a genuine threat.

Of course none of today's anti-immigration parties are even close to as popular with the voters as the NSDAP was.

No! Watch Trump in the States!

Fair enough; I was thinking of Europe, but I agree with you that Trump is both a fascist, and as dangerous as anything from 1930s Europe.

 

[bilby]

By the same logic, the rise in popularity of the NSDAP in the 1930s demonstrates that there really was a 'Jewish Problem'.

The mob are against it - so it must be a genuine threat.

Of course none of today's anti-immigration parties are even close to as popular with the voters as the NSDAP was.

A completely different kettle of fish. The NSDAP rise to power was on the back of the despair and austere conditions not ' a Jewish Problem. ' They told the people what they wanted hear. The remaking of Germany!

So you are saying that Europe will be fine, as long as nobody in power is so stupid as to advocate austerity measures?