Europe submits voluntarily

[repoman]

 

[angelo]

If this doesn't prove Europe is alredy lost, then I don't what it would take. Perhaps the election of a wholly Islamic government in some EU country!

https://gellerreport.com/2020/02/jesuismila.html/

A gay 16-year-old has become the most hated girl in France after she responded to a Muslim who called her a ‘dirty lesbian’. Good-bye, France. As if the jihad slaughter of Hebdo wasn’t enough.

Freedom of speech is the foundation of a free society. Without it, a tyrant can wreak havoc unopposed, while his opponents are silenced.

Putting up with being offended is essential in a pluralistic society in which people differ on basic truths. If a group will not bear being offended without resorting to violence, that group will rule unopposed while everyone else lives in fear, while other groups curtail their activities to appease the violent group. This results in the violent group being able to tyrannize the others.

Islamic law forbids criticism of Islam, Quran, Muhammad. If they cannot be criticized in the US, we are in effect accepting Islamic law as overriding the freedom of speech. This would establish Muslims as a protected class and prevent honest discussion of how Islamic jihadists use the texts and teachings of Islam to justify violence and supremacism.

 

[Metaphor]

And the British people didn't vote for it in 2016.

Yeah, they did. since Scotland is in Great Britain and every citizen of a country in Great Britain is British.

The Scots have since gone on to vote overwhelmingly for the SNP at the most recent general election, so you could just as well say that they voted to remain in the EU twice, and to leave the UK (probably in part because they are sick of ignorant twats who keep referring to 'the British people' when they mean 'the English people').

The Scottish people had a vote that was unambiguously about leaving the UK in 2014, and they voted no.

It's difficult to split out the demographics, but it's very likely that the majority of Welsh voters of Welsh ancestry voted to Remain too - with English people resident in Wales outvoting them.

Are you suggesting Wales should be for the Welsh?

 

[Jokodo]

Yeah, they did. since Scotland is in Great Britain and every citizen of a country in Great Britain is British.




The Scottish people had a vote that was unambiguously about leaving the UK in 2014, and they voted no.

It's difficult to split out the demographics, but it's very likely that the majority of Welsh voters of Welsh ancestry voted to Remain too - with English people resident in Wales outvoting them.

Are you suggesting Wales should be for the Welsh?

And a bug selling point of the no campaign in 2014 was insecurity about whether an independent Scotland could remain in the EU. Had Brexit been a thing when the referendum was held, the result would very likely have been different.

 

[repoman]

This is a brilliant essay, if a bit rambling. It is mathematical in a word problem way.

https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15#.hr22nda85

The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority
Nassim Nicholas Taleb

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Muslims are going to need to pick it up. Else Coronavirus is starting to expose just how relatively irrelevant the whole Muslim incursion bullshit was.

 

[Derec]

Muslims are going to need to pick it up. Else Coronavirus is starting to expose just how relatively irrelevant the whole Muslim incursion bullshit was.

You are the bullshiitting one. Coronavirus is the acute threat right now, but it will be largely over in a few months. It does not change anything about the long term threat of Islamization.

 

[repoman]

Derec, did you read the essay?

I want to know your opinion on it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

This is a brilliant essay, if a bit rambling. It is mathematical in a word problem way.

https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15#.hr22nda85

The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority
Nassim Nicholas Taleb

There are two very different issues here.

He's right about things like kosher and halal, but those are things where the compliance cost is generally quite small. Take his first example, lemonade. There's nothing about lemonade that's non-kosher, the only cost is certifying this. A local grocery used to have a kosher meat section and still has an aisle of Jewish products (although I have seen a sign in there that said not all products are kosher. Huh??) You'll still find pork, ham and bacon for sale, though. I am only aware of one halal store and I've never been inside. It's a small place, not a whole grocery.

This does not mean that a small minority can impose their ways when there is a substantial compliance cost.

 

[Derec]

Why is it that so many Afghans are engaging in stabbings after they invade Europe?

A 21-year-old Afghan man remained in critical condition over the weekend after being stabbed on Saturday evening by a 18-year-old compatriot at the infamous Moria "hotspot" on the eastern Aegean island of Lesvos. The latest violent incident at the camp comes days after a 23-year-old Afghan woman was killed by another Afghan woman, the same age, during a clash with knives.

Another serious stabbing injury reported at Moria camp, days after homicide
They caught the female stabbist later.

Last month there was another instance, also on Lesbos.

The teenager was severely injured after being stabbed on Wednesday morning near the north gate of the Moria refugee and migrant camp. He was rushed to the hospital in Mytiline, but died on the way there, local Greek news outlets reports. The 16-year-old was stabbed by a 20-year-old Afghan man.

Afghan teenage migrant stabbed to death in Moria

You may think Afghans are only stabbing their countrymen, but that is not so. From January of this year.

A 20-year-old asulym seeker from the Democratic Republic of Congo, who was being treated in the intensive care unit of Lesvos hospital since New Year's Eve after an attack inside Moria camp, has died, state-run news agency ANA-MPA reported on Wednesday evening. The man was stabbed in the back by a 27-year-old Afghan national at the island's overcrowded hotspot, where he was visiting friends from Congo.

Congolese man stabbed in Moria camp dies in hospital

And even when they get to their destinations, such as Germany, the Afghans are still stabbing people.

Germany: Man stabs pregnant woman, kills unborn child

An altercation between a pregnant woman and a man in the western German town of Bad Kreuznach near Mainz ended with the man stabbing the woman and killing her unborn child. The incident took place on Friday at a hospital, where the 25-year-old Polish woman was staying. Police said the man was a 25-year-old Afghan asylum-seeker, who had come to the hospital to visit the woman. The man stabbed the woman repeatedly after they got into what police described as a "violent argument."

A 15-year-old Afghan refugee was in police custody on suspicion of manslaughter in Ludwigshafen on Thursday after allegedly stabbing his ex-girlfriend to death in the southwestern German town of Kandel, in the state of Rhineland-Palatinate. Authorities said the girl, also 15 years old, was stabbed following an apparently chance meeting with the boy at a drugstore on Wednesday. She died of her injuries after being attacked with a kitchen knife with a 20-centimeter blade.

Afghan teen in custody over fatal stabbing of German girl

Later it turned out that the Afghan was lying about his age, a very common thing for these fakefugees. He got a very short sentence (8 years) but justice was eventually served when he was found hanged in his cell.

A flag of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, also known as ISIS) was found in the room of an Afghan refugee who was shot dead by German police after attacking train passengers with an axe and knife, officials say. The 17-year-old injured at least four people, two critically, and was shot dead as he fled on Monday night near the southern city of Wuerzburg. Four of the injured were from Hong Kong.

ISIL flag found in room of German train attacker

Neitherlands too:

An Afghan man accused of injuring two people in a stabbing at Amsterdam's central railway station on Friday had a terrorist motive, officials say. The man, who has been named in Dutch media as Jawed S, was shot and wounded by police during the incident.

Amsterdam stabbing: Afghan suspect 'had terrorist motive'

I wonder why it is that so many Afghans are stabbing people, compared to stabbing incidents by for example Syrians.

By the way, this list is not exhaustive by far. There are many more cases of stab-happy Afghan fakefugees!

 

[angelo]

Apologists still say Islam is a religion of peace. Imagine if it wasn't! Not a single day passes anywhere on Earth when there's not an Islamist terror attack.

 

[TSwizzle]

The invasion continues. It could be picking up the pace;

A French naval vessel escorted around 100 migrants into British waters unchallenged this morning as the total to have reached the UK this year edges closer to the total seen throughout the whole of 2019. It means the crossings today could take the number of migrants to have reached Britain already this year to 1,830. The crossings today will push the year's total close to the 1,890 who arrived on small boats throughout the whole of 2019.

DailyMail

 

[bilby]

The invasion continues. It could be picking up the pace;

A French naval vessel escorted around 100 migrants into British waters unchallenged this morning as the total to have reached the UK this year edges closer to the total seen throughout the whole of 2019. It means the crossings today could take the number of migrants to have reached Britain already this year to 1,830. The crossings today will push the year's total close to the 1,890 who arrived on small boats throughout the whole of 2019.

DailyMail

No sane person would believe what the Daily Mail has to say.

That goes double if they are talking about immigration.

As a source, they are both less reliable and less entertaining than The Onion.

 

[Jokodo]

The invasion continues. It could be picking up the pace;

A French naval vessel escorted around 100 migrants into British waters unchallenged this morning as the total to have reached the UK this year edges closer to the total seen throughout the whole of 2019. It means the crossings today could take the number of migrants to have reached Britain already this year to 1,830. The crossings today will push the year's total close to the 1,890 who arrived on small boats throughout the whole of 2019.

DailyMail

Wow, so just under 2000 people arrived in Britain by small boat in all of 2019.

For comparison, the average net difference between arrivals and departures at Heathrow Airport alone is also around 2000.

Per day.

https://www.heathrow.com/company/about-heathrow/facts-and-figures

Daily average total number: 219,458 (50.5% arrivals / 49.5% departures)

(2018 figures)

 

[Bomb#20]

The invasion continues. It could be picking up the pace;

A French naval vessel escorted around 100 migrants into British waters unchallenged this morning as the total to have reached the UK this year edges closer to the total seen throughout the whole of 2019. It means the crossings today could take the number of migrants to have reached Britain already this year to 1,830. The crossings today will push the year's total close to the 1,890 who arrived on small boats throughout the whole of 2019.

DailyMail

No sane person would believe what the Daily Mail has to say.

That goes double if they are talking about immigration.

As a source, they are both less reliable and less entertaining than The Onion.

And you are less reliable than the Daily Mail if you're talking about immigration.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...sed-channel-illegally-year-whole-2019-record/

More migrants have crossed the Channel illegally this year than the whole of 2019, as a record 164 arrive on nine boats
So far this year, 1,927 migrants have reached the UK in this way, compared to 1,890 for the whole of 2019
...
One boat used by smugglers to ferry people across the busy shipping lane was thought to be 30ft long and carrying as many as 60 people. Home Office sources said that the vessel was first spotted just off the French coastline, but was shepherded by their Navy all the way to English waters.

Although its journalism standards are below average, so a Daily Fail article is typically less solid evidence than a Telegraph article or a BBC article, it is still evidence. If you suspect one of their reports is false, that's a reason to check if it's confirmed by other sources, not a reason to dismiss it out of hand. Statistically, a Daily Mail report is probably true. "No sane person would believe what the Daily Mail has to say." is just a more erudite way to say "La-La-La, I can't hear you."

 

[bilby]

No sane person would believe what the Daily Mail has to say.

That goes double if they are talking about immigration.

As a source, they are both less reliable and less entertaining than The Onion.

And you are less reliable than the Daily Mail if you're talking about immigration.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...sed-channel-illegally-year-whole-2019-record/

More migrants have crossed the Channel illegally this year than the whole of 2019, as a record 164 arrive on nine boats
So far this year, 1,927 migrants have reached the UK in this way, compared to 1,890 for the whole of 2019
...
One boat used by smugglers to ferry people across the busy shipping lane was thought to be 30ft long and carrying as many as 60 people. Home Office sources said that the vessel was first spotted just off the French coastline, but was shepherded by their Navy all the way to English waters.

Although its journalism standards are below average, so a Daily Fail article is typically less solid evidence than a Telegraph article or a BBC article, it is still evidence. If you suspect one of their reports is false, that's a reason to check if it's confirmed by other sources, not a reason to dismiss it out of hand. Statistically, a Daily Mail report is probably true. "No sane person would believe what the Daily Mail has to say." is just a more erudite way to say "La-La-La, I can't hear you."

No, it's a way to say "Your assertion doesn't even rise to the level of evidence I would need to be bothered to check it; I shall assume it to be false until you present evidence sufficiently reliable to prompt me to investigate".

The majority of Daily Mail content is 'spin'. Facts mixed with fictions, all presented in a way designed to trigger an emotional response, not to further the reader's understanding, or add to his knowledge, while staying (just) the right side of the various laws against defamation and fraud.

Sure, it includes facts, where they are convenient to the objective of influencing public opinion. But they aren't it's purpose, and as a source of facts it is therefore useless. If you need to check with a more reliable source (and you do), you might as well go straight to that source and skip the middleman.

 

[angelo]

And you are less reliable than the Daily Mail if you're talking about immigration.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...sed-channel-illegally-year-whole-2019-record/


Although its journalism standards are below average, so a Daily Fail article is typically less solid evidence than a Telegraph article or a BBC article, it is still evidence. If you suspect one of their reports is false, that's a reason to check if it's confirmed by other sources, not a reason to dismiss it out of hand. Statistically, a Daily Mail report is probably true. "No sane person would believe what the Daily Mail has to say." is just a more erudite way to say "La-La-La, I can't hear you."

No, it's a way to say "Your assertion doesn't even rise to the level of evidence I would need to be bothered to check it; I shall assume it to be false until you present evidence sufficiently reliable to prompt me to investigate".

The majority of Daily Mail content is 'spin'. Facts mixed with fictions, all presented in a way designed to trigger an emotional response, not to further the reader's understanding, or add to his knowledge, while staying (just) the right side of the various laws against defamation and fraud.

Sure, it includes facts, where they are convenient to the objective of influencing public opinion. But they aren't it's purpose, and as a source of facts it is therefore useless. If you need to check with a more reliable source (and you do), you might as well go straight to that source and skip the middleman.

I suppose the Huffington Post, NYT etc all meets your approval?

 

[bilby]

And you are less reliable than the Daily Mail if you're talking about immigration.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...sed-channel-illegally-year-whole-2019-record/


Although its journalism standards are below average, so a Daily Fail article is typically less solid evidence than a Telegraph article or a BBC article, it is still evidence. If you suspect one of their reports is false, that's a reason to check if it's confirmed by other sources, not a reason to dismiss it out of hand. Statistically, a Daily Mail report is probably true. "No sane person would believe what the Daily Mail has to say." is just a more erudite way to say "La-La-La, I can't hear you."

No, it's a way to say "Your assertion doesn't even rise to the level of evidence I would need to be bothered to check it; I shall assume it to be false until you present evidence sufficiently reliable to prompt me to investigate".

The majority of Daily Mail content is 'spin'. Facts mixed with fictions, all presented in a way designed to trigger an emotional response, not to further the reader's understanding, or add to his knowledge, while staying (just) the right side of the various laws against defamation and fraud.

Sure, it includes facts, where they are convenient to the objective of influencing public opinion. But they aren't it's purpose, and as a source of facts it is therefore useless. If you need to check with a more reliable source (and you do), you might as well go straight to that source and skip the middleman.

I suppose the Huffington Post, NYT etc all meets your approval?

I've never really read the Huffington Post or the NYT; As a non-American, I don't consume much US media, although I do occasionally look at articles cited or linked on these boards.

My preference is to read Australian and UK sources, which should hardly be a surprise as those are the two nations of which I am a citizen, and where I have family.

So, no - your assumptions about my media consumption are completely wrong.

 

[angelo]

I understand that this post is straying a little from subject at hand but belongs here in response to Bilby. and his media bias. Its a fact most left leaning journalists are anti home country and pro open borders and destruction of Western culture as it's been proven in Europe and other Western nations. I've said it before that the Australian ABC for example is perceived, and rightly so, as leaning far left. One can see it in the constant attacks on ScoMo, and the American democratically elected POTUS. Never is a chance missed on attacking conservatives both here, USA and England.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-13/fact-check3a-abc-greens-voters/9931782

 

[Jokodo]

I understand that this post is straying a little from subject at hand but belongs here in response to Bilby. and his media bias. Its a fact most left leaning journalists are anti home country and pro open borders and destruction of Western culture as it's been proven in Europe and other Western nations.

How is that a fact that's been proven?

As far as I can tell, the Western values of equality before the law, due process and individual's rights to live as they see fit as long as they are not harming anyone doing so are attacked by right leaning journalists more often than by left leaning ones - right leaning journalists who demand harsh punishments on mere suspicion of misdoing, preferential treatment based on inconsequential characteristics, and attack LGBT people, non-Christians etc.