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While I agree that eventually the current level of influx of Muslims (as opposed to Buddhists, Hindus or Catholic/Protestants) has a non-trivial risk of leading to at least large sections of non-assimilated muslim people and maybe even a full recognition of Sharia, it really doesn't matter so much.

The reason I say this is because overpopulation, climate change, resource depletion, sea level rise going exponential and so on will be so much worse than any squabbles random people may have.

But going back to assuming that humans on this planet as whole will not be hitting extremely hard limits within the lifetimes of some of us ---- Assuming that we have centuries of time to fuck around like we are now... I think that even a trickle of muslims into Europe is a very bad idea and that within one or two centuries the demographics will lead to Islamic control. It is one of the worst meme systems ever created, it managed to stifle the already in place momentum of the astounding creativity of Persia/Iraq in a couple centuries while now claiming those accomplishments exclusively for itself.

How long did it take for Indonesia to go through the demographic swing over to Islam. It is pretty damn far from Saudi Arabia.

Take Japan for example, they quite rightfully suppressed and killed Christian invaders and traitorous Japanese converts to christianity. It was a very wise act of cultural self defense. If not they would have been fucked over like the Philippines. Religious affiliation of immigrants or local converts is often the tip of the spear of a takeover by foreign power or an ideology.
 
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Nonsense. Western Europe is likely finished. The human gangrene has taken root in Sweden and Germany, the first of many European states that will soon be infected and diagnosed as terminal. Let their death bed throes be a lesson to those who yet might survive; all we can do is stand by the pathetic wheezing wreck of these once great nations and take clinical notes - then put their ashes and the clinical notes in an urn and bury it. One day, after the end of the new dark ages, those who emerge from the midden piles may learn of how they let multicultural madness consume them.
I'm sure they will soon realise what a great idea it has been being an ally of the USA while the USA bombed and destroyed the middle east resulting in this latest influx of refegees. Gee thanks

You mean the fake war refugees, 3/4 or more of them economic migrants who have seen an opportunity to exploit the pathological altruism of many European nations and are on the welfare train to Sweden and Germany.

Don't thank the US, thank the Swedish government that can't say no.
 
Western Europe is likely finished. The human gangrene has taken root in Sweden and Germany, the first of many European states that will soon be infected and diagnosed as terminal. Let their death bed throes be a lesson to those who yet might survive; all we can do is stand by the death bed of these once great nations and take clinical notes - then put them in an urn and bury it with them so that one day, after the end of the new dark ages, those who emerge from the embers may learn of how they let multicultural madness consume them.


This sounds oddly familiar for some reason. Can you translate it into German?

Yeah, this reeks of plagiarism.
 
Meanwhile, as all of you right-wing chickens are masturbating over the fall of Europe, one of your fellow travelers has attempted to assassinate a mayoral candidate in the city of Cologne, Germany, over her role in housing refugees arriving in the city. Goes to show which side the real threat to "European" values and liberties is coming from.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...uting-about-refugees-in-cologne-a6698061.html

Let's see how long it takes before we read justifications for this act from the very people who complain that while not all Muslims are terrorist, the "regular Muslims" don't distance themselves from the terrorists explicitly enough (or use the wrong code words when doing so).
 
Sweden "suffered" from a homogeneous Scandinavian and white culture - a neutral country that minded its own business and provided prosperity and security, along with one of the lowest crime rates in the world. Somewhere along the line Swedes started feeling guilty that they looked out for their own, got out the self-flagellation whips, and pleaded for third-worlders of limited skills and abilities to squat in their home, while the Swedes (already with one of the highest tax rates in the world) footed the bill.

The result? Crime, sexual assault, a new underclass, and social division. What a way to f' up what they had accomplished. Look at some of the recent developments (paraphrased from my prior link):

In a nation of 10,000,000 in 2014, 33,500 were granted asylum. With the added 'chain migration' of family members last year, 110,000 people were granted residency status in Sweden. (And an unknown number of illegal aliens).

There may be 180,000 asylum seekers coming to Sweden in 2015. If half of them are granted asylum, and they each bring over three relatives, then there will be 270,000 new immigrants to Sweden in a single year. Over 8000 people arrived just last week, 1,716 of whom were so-called "unaccompanied refugee children."

Many are people from countries that are not at war are taking their chances and applying for asylum in Sweden.

The Swedish economist Tino Sanandaji (of Iranian-Kurdish descent, and therefore tougher than most Swedes, who, if they criticize the immigration policy, are immediately accused of racism) writes on his blog that Swedes could soon be in the minority in their own country:

"1,000-1,500 asylum seekers a day for 15 years equals 5.5 to 8.2 million asylum seekers. At the end of 2014, the Statistical Central Bureau, SCB, calculated that 21.5% of the Swedish population were of foreign descent: 2.1 million, out of 9.7 million. The number of people of Swedish descent -- born in Sweden with two parents born in Sweden -- has been stable at about 7.7 million and is expected to remain stable or increase slightly due to birth surplus. If those of foreign descent increase their number by about 5.6 million, they will become the majority."

Impromptu temporary lodgings have been created in sports centers, ice rinks, and at the Sturup airport hotel, to name a few.

Trelleborg's mayor wrote a desperate letter of appeal for help to the government, just as, a few weeks ago, the Örkelljunga municipality did in vain:

"In the past, many asylum seekers have taken the route through Denmark to Malmö, but this changed about two weeks ago. From September 10 until the morning of October 1, 14,100 asylum seekers arrived in Trelleborg by ferry. There is no indication that the pace is slowing; if anything it is continuously increasing. On Tuesday, September 22, Trelleborg received word from the Immigration Service that the municipality where children and young people arrive is by law the authority that is required to provide housing, care and living expenses, until such time as the Immigration Service decides upon a designated municipality. ... Trelleborg has quickly ended up in a situation where the regular services to the community are at great risk of being affected. ... By writing this letter, we would like to bring to your attention the enormous strain we now find ourselves under."

The only concrete help so far has come from some of the neighboring municipalities, who have opened up facilities to house some of the Trelleborg migrants.

Malmö, is also in serious trouble. For the last few weeks, the central train station in Sweden's third largest city has been overrun with migrants, but the volunteers that showed up for the first few days with food, water and clothes have lost interest. The daily Sydsvenska Dagbladet summed up the desperate situation in Malmö, where even the city's empty jail was considered (and rejected) as possible housing for refugee children. It now looks more like a possibility for adult refugees.

The Social Democratic mayor of Filipstad, Per Gruvberger, also recently raised the alarm that his municipality of 6,000 people will not be able to provide schooling and childcare for the 1,100 asylum seekers now assigned to his municipality.

The stiff reply of the Minister for Justice and Migration, Morgan Johansson, to this cry for help was: "If need be, Filipstad will just have to expand its operations."

"The work situation for the entire authority is very strained. The pressure is enormous. The work environment has deteriorated severely," said Sanna Norblad, local chairperson of the ST union, to daily Norrköpings Tidningar.

Yet, according to the article a surprisingly large portion of the citizenry still overconfidently believe that "Daddy State" will make everything all right. This a very Swedish view, like the wishes of children, that Peter Santesson, head of polling institute Demoskop, wrote about on the website Dagens Opinion. Santesson states that the Swedes have an unusually high level of trust in the social order, and that they are convinced that "somewhere higher up, there is always someone smarter and more informed, taking responsibility and making sure everything works." ... it could be disastrous.

The blogger Johan Westerholm, a Social Democrat who is critical of the government, points out in an October 7 titled "System infarction in the Immigration System," that in addition to those who are already in Sweden, we need to add those who are not granted asylum in Norway and Finland, and will therefore be sent back to the last country they were in -- Sweden. Considering that Finland rejects 60% of asylum applications, it is fair to assume that during the coming weeks, the chaos will only escalate.

"People seem to be aware that there are problems, but I do not think they know how vulnerable we really are. We rely on the state to take care of us, as it has in the past."

Swedes, once consider one of the brightest nations now wallows in suicidal altruism; injecting culturally and intellectually inferior peoples into its social DNA. These masses will never fully assimilate, many years later they will remain economically dependent, and they will become a social and political drain on Swedes who had spent a lifetime paying huge taxes for their own "utopia". And for what?

So white people won't feel guilty. Bye bye Sweden.
 
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Meanwhile, as all of you right-wing chickens are masturbating over the fall of Europe, one of your fellow travelers has attempted to assassinate a mayoral candidate in the city of Cologne, Germany, over her role in housing refugees arriving in the city. Goes to show which side the real threat to "European" values and liberties is coming from.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...uting-about-refugees-in-cologne-a6698061.html

Let's see how long it takes before we read justifications for this act from the very people who complain that while not all Muslims are terrorist, the "regular Muslims" don't distance themselves from the terrorists explicitly enough (or use the wrong code words when doing so).

I wish he had killed the mayor, better luck next time.

This is how it should be done:



Better dead than red. Incredible courage and self sacrifice by the 17 year old, who knew he would face execution.

I was mistaken:

Time.com

Monday, Nov. 14, 1960

In a bleak cell at a Tokyo juvenile detention home one night last week, a mop-haired teenager mixed a palmful of tooth powder with a few drops of water and scrawled a message on the wall: "Seven lives for my country. Ten thousand years for His Imperial Majesty, the Emperor!'' Then Otoya Yamaguchi, 17, tore his bed sheet into strips, knotted them into a rope, stood up on a toilet bowl and hanged himself from the light fixture in the ceiling. Yamaguchi, who last month stabbed Socialist Chairman Inejiro Asanuma to death at a political rally, had lived his bloody samurai tradition to the end. His suicide was an act of owabi—apology to those inconvenienced by his murder of Asanuma.

The Socialists have tried to make Yamaguchi one of the top issues in the current Japanese election campaign. They called him a "cat's paw of monopolistic capitalist forces" (by which they meant Premier Hayato Ikeda's ruling Liberal Democrats) and paraded Asanuma's widow about in hope of a sympathy vote. After Yamaguchi's hanged body was found, Saburo Eda, acting chairman of the Socialists, shifted his ground and growled: "The fact that an important criminal was able to commit suicide exposes the utter irresponsibility of the authorities in charge."

Dead or alive, Assassin Yamaguchi was not good for many votes. But, as a martyr, Yamaguchi might yet inspire fresh violence from the small but dangerous band of Japanese who share his fanatical right-wing views and uphold the prewar tradition of political assassination. Last week a group of them went to the jail, presented the boy's parents with a burial coat, kimono and belt, then escorted the body of their hero home.
 
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Meanwhile, as all of you right-wing chickens are masturbating over the fall of Europe, one of your fellow travelers has attempted to assassinate a mayoral candidate in the city of Cologne, Germany, over her role in housing refugees arriving in the city. Goes to show which side the real threat to "European" values and liberties is coming from.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...uting-about-refugees-in-cologne-a6698061.html

Let's see how long it takes before we read justifications for this act from the very people who complain that while not all Muslims are terrorist, the "regular Muslims" don't distance themselves from the terrorists explicitly enough (or use the wrong code words when doing so).

Unless the unemployed and disturbed attacker is typical of Germans of European descent, you should only be alarmed over your own absurd generalization of a "threat" because of a single person's act. Any German (or international observer) who resorts to your kind of extraordinarily lame rationalization to avoid dealing with the real acts of millions - the actual cultural, economic, and social consequences of the millions coming to be Germany - is wallowing in pitiful avoidance.

Germans are crippled by their shame over the nation's NAZI past, a shame that has morally stripped them of self-interest when it comes to racial/ethnic issues. Unlike the Japanese, the German guilt has made them a patsy to every third worlder seeking "entitlement" from Germany...even to those historically irrelevant to Germany's past.

Still, there are glimmers of resistance: http://www.spiegel.de/international...ng-of-refugee-crisis-by-merkel-a-1056315.html

“We in Germany are rapidly approaching the limits of our possibilities,” Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel, of the center-left Social Democratic Party (SPD), told SPIEGEL ONLINE in an interview last Friday. “Although the (country’s) asylum law doesn’t have an upper ceiling, there are real limits to how much pressure we can put on our cities and towns.”

Concerns are growing that Germany is already there. Tensions among residents of often overcrowded refugee hostels, for example, have boiled over into violence in some facilities. Furthermore, officials from police officers to border control agents and government functionaries are desperately searching for ways to bring the number of refugees under control.

The debate is having a negative impact on Merkel’s public image. A poll by Infratest Dimap for German public broadcaster ARD last Friday showed that the percentage of Germans who are “scared” about the number of refugees entering the country has increased from 38 percent in September to 51 percent today. The same poll also showed Merkel’s approval rating had dropped by nine points to 54 percent, her lowest in nearly four years.

And in a new poll, four-fifths of Germans want to reinstate their border controls and three quarters believe refugees should stay in the first safe country they reach. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/06/poll-four-fifths-germans-want-return-border-controls/

So what is Merkel’s response? According to the New York Times in an emergency meeting with her party’s caucus at the Bundestag, several of her fellow conservatives rejected the idea of accommodating more refugees. How could conservatives accept the burden of more people? Ms. Merkel shut them down, reportedly saying, “Well, now they are here.”

Wow, what a cogent and well-thought out policy.
 
I'm sure they will soon realise what a great idea it has been being an ally of the USA while the USA bombed and destroyed the middle east resulting in this latest influx of refegees. Gee thanks

You mean the fake war refugees, 3/4 or more of them economic migrants who have seen an opportunity to exploit the pathological altruism of many European nations and are on the welfare train to Sweden and Germany.
Do you evidence for this?

Don't thank the US, thank the Swedish government that can't say no.
Refugees aren't only going to Sweden
 
Nonsense. Western Europe is likely finished. The human gangrene has taken root in Sweden and Germany, the first of many European states that will soon be infected and diagnosed as terminal. Let their death bed throes be a lesson to those who yet might survive; all we can do is stand by the pathetic wheezing wreck of these once great nations and take clinical notes - then put their ashes and the clinical notes in an urn and bury it. One day, after the end of the new dark ages, those who emerge from the midden piles may learn of how they let multicultural madness consume them.
I'm sure they will soon realise what a great idea it has been being an ally of the USA while the USA bombed and destroyed the middle east resulting in this latest influx of refegees. Gee thanks
Except that the refugees aren't coming because of US bombs. They are escaping Assad's campaign in Syria and ISIS in Iraq. Plus a great numbre of refugees are from Africa running away from conflicts that have nothing to do with Middle-East.

Of course you can say, that US invasion indirectly caused both the emergence of ISIS and Syrian crisis. But if you get down to indirect causes, really, the biggest culprit of the state of affairs in Middle-East is European colonialism.
 
The blogger Johan Westerholm, a Social Democrat who is critical of the government, points out in an October 7 titled "System infarction in the Immigration System," that in addition to those who are already in Sweden, we need to add those who are not granted asylum in Norway and Finland, and will therefore be sent back to the last country they were in -- Sweden. Considering that Finland rejects 60% of asylum applications, it is fair to assume that during the coming weeks, the chaos will only escalate.
This is false. If someone applies for an asylum in Finland and the application is rejected, they are not sent back to another EU countries. They will be attempted to be returned to their country of origin outside EU. This is in practice difficult to enforce and many of these people continue in EU as illegal immigrants as rejection from one country makes them ineligible to apply for asylum in other EU countries also, so it might be that some of the rejectees slip back to Sweden, but this wouldn't be due to any official policy.

In theory, Finland could return immigrants who have already applied for asylum in Sweden or other EU countries, but those are only a very small minority because the immigrants know this and they deliberately avoid registering their applications in the countries along the way. Another possibility would be to close the border and just not let anyone else enter from Sweden but that seems unlikely.
 
You mean the fake war refugees, 3/4 or more of them economic migrants who have seen an opportunity to exploit the pathological altruism of many European nations and are on the welfare train to Sweden and Germany.
Do you evidence for this?

Don't thank the US, thank the Swedish government that can't say no.
Refugees aren't only going to Sweden

A lot are coming from poor countries like Bangladesh, Pakistan Nigeria and some European countries. The amount who have been given assylum is very low. Most have not applied for asylum.

While Syrian Iraqi and Eritrean acceptances are high the rest are very low.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/migrant...-those-who-dont-qualify-for-asylum-1443133537

This does not exclude these who silently enter these countries in trucks or used to evade border checks (when there were no guards between these)

Many who enter European countries throw away their ID and forget their birthdays so that they cannot be traced on any data bases, thus be deported.
 
But going back to assuming that humans on this planet as whole will not be hitting extremely hard limits within the lifetimes of some of us ---- Assuming that we have centuries of time to fuck around like we are now... I think that even a trickle of muslims into Europe is a very bad idea and that within one or two centuries the demographics will lead to Islamic control.

This has been addressed before. There is no way for this to happen given that A) muslim birth rates do not differ significantly from native European birthrates (and are still dropping) and B) secularization does in fact work on immigrant populations too (for instance, in the US, at least 32% of those raised muslim are no longer muslim in adulthood). When you actually look at all the factors, one is forced to determine that it is highly unlikely Europe will ever have a percentage of muslims that that exceeds 10-12%. It's likely to top out around 10% and then decline.

How long did it take for Indonesia to go through the demographic swing over to Islam. It is pretty damn far from Saudi Arabia.

You could've done some research to get the answer: around 500 years. Of course, you can not take the islamization of Indonesia and somehow transpose that on Europe to make any meaningful projections; given there's widely different factors at play.



Take Japan for example, they quite rightfully suppressed and killed Christian invaders and traitorous Japanese converts to christianity. It was a very wise act of cultural self defense.

Why am I not surprised you'd try to paint history in such broad strokes? In reality, christianity enjoyed great success early on; with many of the ruling Daimyo converting. By 1600 there were hundreds of churches throughout Japan. There were local rulers who were more hostile to Christianity, yes, but generally speaking Japan was surprisingly welcoming to Christianity. It wasn't until Toyotomi Hideyoshi took power that this changed. Hideyoshi, who was a paranoid man, sought to stamp out Catholicism not because of any high-minded notions of cultural self defense (he had little problem with Daimyo who had converted), but because he was worried that divided loyalties among the peasant classes might lead to rebellions against their samurai overlords and because he was wary that European powers might use it as a way to take power. Of course, repressing Christians led to exactly the sort of thing he feared, which in turn gave even him and his successors even more reason to stamp catholicism out. The Shimabara rebellion (which did not have religious origins perse, but which did originate in lands with a lot of christians) was what caused christianity to be truly outlawed.
 
I wish he had killed the mayor, better luck next time.

This is how it should be done:



Better dead than red. Incredible courage and self sacrifice by the 17 year old, who knew he would face execution.

I was mistaken:

Time.com

Monday, Nov. 14, 1960

In a bleak cell at a Tokyo juvenile detention home one night last week, a mop-haired teenager mixed a palmful of tooth powder with a few drops of water and scrawled a message on the wall: "Seven lives for my country. Ten thousand years for His Imperial Majesty, the Emperor!'' Then Otoya Yamaguchi, 17, tore his bed sheet into strips, knotted them into a rope, stood up on a toilet bowl and hanged himself from the light fixture in the ceiling. Yamaguchi, who last month stabbed Socialist Chairman Inejiro Asanuma to death at a political rally, had lived his bloody samurai tradition to the end. His suicide was an act of owabi—apology to those inconvenienced by his murder of Asanuma.

The Socialists have tried to make Yamaguchi one of the top issues in the current Japanese election campaign. They called him a "cat's paw of monopolistic capitalist forces" (by which they meant Premier Hayato Ikeda's ruling Liberal Democrats) and paraded Asanuma's widow about in hope of a sympathy vote. After Yamaguchi's hanged body was found, Saburo Eda, acting chairman of the Socialists, shifted his ground and growled: "The fact that an important criminal was able to commit suicide exposes the utter irresponsibility of the authorities in charge."

Dead or alive, Assassin Yamaguchi was not good for many votes. But, as a martyr, Yamaguchi might yet inspire fresh violence from the small but dangerous band of Japanese who share his fanatical right-wing views and uphold the prewar tradition of political assassination. Last week a group of them went to the jail, presented the boy's parents with a burial coat, kimono and belt, then escorted the body of their hero home.


We normally vote for someone else if we don't like them.
 
The Swedish economist Tino Sanandaji (of Iranian-Kurdish descent, and therefore tougher than most Swedes, who, if they criticize the immigration policy, are immediately accused of racism) writes on his blog that Swedes could soon be in the minority in their own country:

"1,000-1,500 asylum seekers a day for 15 years equals 5.5 to 8.2 million asylum seekers. At the end of 2014, the Statistical Central Bureau, SCB, calculated that 21.5% of the Swedish population were of foreign descent: 2.1 million, out of 9.7 million. The number of people of Swedish descent -- born in Sweden with two parents born in Sweden -- has been stable at about 7.7 million and is expected to remain stable or increase slightly due to birth surplus. If those of foreign descent increase their number by about 5.6 million, they will become the majority."

Yes, because 1000-1500 asylum seekers a day for the next 15 years is totally plausible. :rolleyes:
 
Meanwhile, as all of you right-wing chickens are masturbating over the fall of Europe, one of your fellow travelers has attempted to assassinate a mayoral candidate in the city of Cologne, Germany, over her role in housing refugees arriving in the city. Goes to show which side the real threat to "European" values and liberties is coming from.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...uting-about-refugees-in-cologne-a6698061.html

Let's see how long it takes before we read justifications for this act from the very people who complain that while not all Muslims are terrorist, the "regular Muslims" don't distance themselves from the terrorists explicitly enough (or use the wrong code words when doing so).

Someone tries to kill an elected German politician. How does this relate considering there are lunatics on all sides of the immigration issue?
 
Unless the unemployed and disturbed attacker is typical of Germans of European descent, you should only be alarmed over your own absurd generalization of a "threat" because of a single person's act. <snip>

It's hardly comforting for the person being to know that this might not be typical of Germans of European descent. And it only takes a small number to cause major problems.

Both of the above sentences are very close paraphrases of things people in this thread said when the topic was Muslims. So if you want to be consistent, you need to be telling them that their generalizations are absurd, too.
 
The Swedish economist Tino Sanandaji (of Iranian-Kurdish descent, and therefore tougher than most Swedes, who, if they criticize the immigration policy, are immediately accused of racism) writes on his blog that Swedes could soon be in the minority in their own country:

"1,000-1,500 asylum seekers a day for 15 years equals 5.5 to 8.2 million asylum seekers. At the end of 2014, the Statistical Central Bureau, SCB, calculated that 21.5% of the Swedish population were of foreign descent: 2.1 million, out of 9.7 million. The number of people of Swedish descent -- born in Sweden with two parents born in Sweden -- has been stable at about 7.7 million and is expected to remain stable or increase slightly due to birth surplus. If those of foreign descent increase their number by about 5.6 million, they will become the majority."

Yes, because 1000-1500 asylum seekers a day for the next 15 years is totally plausible. :rolleyes:

The intersesting thing with types likes maxparrish is that they are not interested in discussing solutions, or actually iscuss what the the real staus is, just of spreading fear.
 
The Swedish economist Tino Sanandaji (of Iranian-Kurdish descent, and therefore tougher than most Swedes, who, if they criticize the immigration policy, are immediately accused of racism) writes on his blog that Swedes could soon be in the minority in their own country:

"1,000-1,500 asylum seekers a day for 15 years equals 5.5 to 8.2 million asylum seekers. At the end of 2014, the Statistical Central Bureau, SCB, calculated that 21.5% of the Swedish population were of foreign descent: 2.1 million, out of 9.7 million. The number of people of Swedish descent -- born in Sweden with two parents born in Sweden -- has been stable at about 7.7 million and is expected to remain stable or increase slightly due to birth surplus. If those of foreign descent increase their number by about 5.6 million, they will become the majority."

Yes, because 1000-1500 asylum seekers a day for the next 15 years is totally plausible. :rolleyes:

Well I had a big lunch yesterday, if we calculate from that for the next 10 year I will weigh 2 tons by then!!!!
 
Yes, because 1000-1500 asylum seekers a day for the next 15 years is totally plausible. :rolleyes:

Well I had a big lunch yesterday, if we calculate from that for the next 10 year I will weigh 2 tons by then!!!!

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France, Sweden and now Germany are very much the canary in the coal mine in regards to islamic takeover.

The canary looks to be well fucked. An ex-canary if you like.

And you base this on what?
Strange that very little of this is actually a problem here in Sweden. Our problem is fearmongering facists/nazists.
No the problem is those who are too blind to see the truth, those self loathing, blame capitalism at any cost, leftards who have a death wish.
 
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