Freddie Gray dies a week after being injured during arrest

[Nice Squirrel]

Actually it is a very strong case against the cops. Freddie was alive and fine when he went into the van. He had a crushed spine when he came out.

Except we have evidence that he was faking injuries. Maybe he tried to make something that looked real and succeeded too well.

FOR THE 254th TIME: PLEASE POST THIS EVIDENCE

and then give it to the defense so they might use it in the trials. Don't you think that might have been a wee bit important?

 

[maxparrish]

Mosby is a disgrace, just one more in the long line of disgraceful prosecutors.

How do you figure that? Don't worry, Max, she is going to get the culprits. You seem awful okay with the the cops killing Freddie. Why is that? Why is this prosecutor a disgrace? Because you do not believe in justice for black people when they are abused by cops. It is your attitude that the BLM movement is responding to. The fact that there are a lot of white people who share your thinking is the problem. This guy Freddie was killed. You seem to be forgetting that...as if it should be a normal event for cops to break a black guy's back then ignore him in his death throes. Do you know if Freddie actually committed any particular crime to get himself arrested? Or was his main crime just being black, poor, and uneducated?

You gave us a paragraph of baloney marinated in moonshine. "My attitude" is old fashioned, that the law is not a pull it from your ass invention by race charged lynch mobs and police-hating ideologues, but is an objective rule that the prosecutor is obligated to support as an officer of the court. A part of that obligation is to do so in support of legal justice, by following the standards of professional conduct in our legal traditions, our ethical codes, and the law.

So Mosby is a disgrace for fairly obvious reasons, which have nothing to do with your racially obsessed memes. It is impractical to paraphrase all the widespread criticism of Mosby in the legal community, so here is a sampling from a former prosecutor and legal ethics specialist:

Nonetheless, Mosby’s announcement and related statements from the steps of Baltimore’s War Memorial Building were unethical, and indeed constituted a professional ethics breach:

Mosby said she told Gray’s family that “no one is above the law and I would pursue justice upon their behalf.” Unethical. Her client isn’t the family. Her client is the state. If the evidence appears too weak to get a conviction based on any new revelations, her duty to her client, which only requires justice, not justice for any party, would be to drop the case. Telling the family that she is working “on their behalf” is either a lie, or, if true, unethical. She is not their lawyer or the victim’s lawyer.

“I heard your call for ‘no justice, no peace,'” she said. “Your peace is sincerely needed as I work to deliver justice on behalf of this young man.”

Ugh. Again the “on behalf of” misstatement. Worse, though, is “I heard your call for ‘no justice, no peace.” What are we to take from this statement, other than the disgraceful admission that the indictment is in response to mob violence and threats of more? She may not say that. By saying it, she has undermined the rule of law. Prosecutors must not”hear” demands that a citizen be prosecuted, or not prosecuted. They are ethically obligated to ignore them, and do what the evidence dictates.

The demonstrators obviously got her meaning. Desmond Taylor, 29, shouted to the crowd, “This day means that your actions bring consequences in Baltimore City.”

Imagine what else riots and arson might bring!

The blog writer is a former prosecutor and legal ethics expert. His extended observations include her conflict of interests, her violation of the Maryland Rule Of Professional Conduct Rule 3.8, Special Responsibilities of a Prosecutor by making extrajudicial comments that have a substantial likelihood of heightening public condemnation of the accused, etc.

Arkirk, I am sure you won't read the link, but here it is for the less blindered:

http://ethicsalarms.com/2015/05/01/...garding-charges-in-the-death-of-freddie-gray/

AND for an extended treatment on her unethical "character", see below.

In a legal ethics seminar I taught this week for government attorneys, the vast majority of them voted that Marilyn Mosby’s vainglorious announcement of charges against six officers in the death of Freddie Gray was prosecutorial abuse, and a blatant violation of professional ethics rule 3.8, which directs that (this is the Maryland version)…

http://ethicsalarms.com/2015/06/26/the-most-unethical-prosecutor-of-all-baltimores-marilyn-mosby/

Need I say more?

 

[arkirk]

Except we have evidence that he was faking injuries. Maybe he tried to make something that looked real and succeeded too well.

FOR THE 254th TIME: PLEASE POST THIS EVIDENCE

and then give it to the defense so they might use it in the trials. Don't you think that might have been a wee bit important?

Never mind, Loren appears to be posting fake knowledge. The cops were not afraid of Freddie when they picked him up off the ground and loaded his nearly limp body into the van. That came out in the trial. One man picked him up and threw him in the van. Loren knows this as much as he has been reviewing and inspecting the video for evidence of cop innocence. Asking will just get you some very long shot speculation and you will be asking again!

 

[arkirk]

How do you figure that? Don't worry, Max, she is going to get the culprits. You seem awful okay with the the cops killing Freddie. Why is that? Why is this prosecutor a disgrace? Because you do not believe in justice for black people when they are abused by cops. It is your attitude that the BLM movement is responding to. The fact that there are a lot of white people who share your thinking is the problem. This guy Freddie was killed. You seem to be forgetting that...as if it should be a normal event for cops to break a black guy's back then ignore him in his death throes. Do you know if Freddie actually committed any particular crime to get himself arrested? Or was his main crime just being black, poor, and uneducated?

You gave us a paragraph of baloney marinated in moonshine. "My attitude" is old fashioned, that the law is not a pull it from your ass invention by race charged lynch mobs and police-hating ideologues, but is an objective rule that the prosecutor is obligated to support as an officer of the court. A part of that obligation is to do so in support of legal justice, by following the standards of professional conduct in our legal traditions, our ethical codes, and the law.

So Mosby is a disgrace for fairly obvious reasons, which have nothing to do with your racially obsessed memes. It is impractical to paraphrase all the widespread criticism of Mosby in the legal community, so here is a sampling from a former prosecutor and legal ethics specialist:

Nonetheless, Mosby’s announcement and related statements from the steps of Baltimore’s War Memorial Building were unethical, and indeed constituted a professional ethics breach:

Mosby said she told Gray’s family that “no one is above the law and I would pursue justice upon their behalf.” Unethical. Her client isn’t the family. Her client is the state. If the evidence appears too weak to get a conviction based on any new revelations, her duty to her client, which only requires justice, not justice for any party, would be to drop the case. Telling the family that she is working “on their behalf” is either a lie, or, if true, unethical. She is not their lawyer or the victim’s lawyer.

“I heard your call for ‘no justice, no peace,'” she said. “Your peace is sincerely needed as I work to deliver justice on behalf of this young man.”

Ugh. Again the “on behalf of” misstatement. Worse, though, is “I heard your call for ‘no justice, no peace.” What are we to take from this statement, other than the disgraceful admission that the indictment is in response to mob violence and threats of more? She may not say that. By saying it, she has undermined the rule of law. Prosecutors must not”hear” demands that a citizen be prosecuted, or not prosecuted. They are ethically obligated to ignore them, and do what the evidence dictates.

The demonstrators obviously got her meaning. Desmond Taylor, 29, shouted to the crowd, “This day means that your actions bring consequences in Baltimore City.”

Imagine what else riots and arson might bring!

The blog writer is a former prosecutor and legal ethics expert. His extended observations include her conflict of interests, her violation of the Maryland Rule Of Professional Conduct Rule 3.8, Special Responsibilities of a Prosecutor by making extrajudicial comments that have a substantial likelihood of heightening public condemnation of the accused, etc.

Arkirk, I am sure you won't read the link, but here it is for the less blindered:

http://ethicsalarms.com/2015/05/01/...garding-charges-in-the-death-of-freddie-gray/

AND for an extended treatment on her unethical "character", see below.

In a legal ethics seminar I taught this week for government attorneys, the vast majority of them voted that Marilyn Mosby’s vainglorious announcement of charges against six officers in the death of Freddie Gray was prosecutorial abuse, and a blatant violation of professional ethics rule 3.8, which directs that (this is the Maryland version)…

http://ethicsalarms.com/2015/06/26/the-most-unethical-prosecutor-of-all-baltimores-marilyn-mosby/

Need I say more?

Actually it won't help your argument any. You apply standards against her you would not even think about if she were a man and white and prosecuting a black person or defending a cop who kills a black person. Actually the prosecutor's reasoning is not that far off. The crime was committed against the murder victim and not particularly the system. Your link is to a flock of posts that essentially are telling her and me that she was not ethical because she should be more respectful of the people who butter her bread...In other she should ignore cop violence.

It is possible she made some mistakes but the BIG MISTAKE was killing Freddie.

 

[ksen]

Actually it is a very strong case against the cops. Freddie was alive and fine when he went into the van. He had a crushed spine when he came out.

So how does that make a strong case against the bike cops? And that he died while in custody doesn't mean the police did anything wrong. It seems quite probable that, given the type of fatal injury, he did it to himself. The video of him before being placed in the van definitely shows his proclivity to melodrama. He's the boy who cried wolf.

Sure, because people crush their own spines all the time.

 

[arkirk]

So how does that make a strong case against the bike cops? And that he died while in custody doesn't mean the police did anything wrong. It seems quite probable that, given the type of fatal injury, he did it to himself. The video of him before being placed in the van definitely shows his proclivity to melodrama. He's the boy who cried wolf.

Sure, because people crush their own spines all the time.

Interesting isn't it? I never before realized that black people did things like that! That makes out Freddie to be a complete dolt not worthy of living. If they turned him loose he would just lay in the street waiting for a car to run him over. Freddie simply was a stupid boob looking to sever his spine and crush his voice box. It is not every day we find people who are like that. The possibility is that on that day, Freddie was NOT LIKE THAT. It is funny hearing him called the boy who cried wolf when what he claimed he needed he actually needed. This is a police murder and it should be prosecuted. I hope they are not forced to drop this case by the cops.

 

[Trausti]

So how does that make a strong case against the bike cops? And that he died while in custody doesn't mean the police did anything wrong. It seems quite probable that, given the type of fatal injury, he did it to himself. The video of him before being placed in the van definitely shows his proclivity to melodrama. He's the boy who cried wolf.

Sure, because people crush their own spines all the time.

Yeah know, there's a reason the tale of the boy who cried wolf has endured these many generations. What do you think is the moral of tale?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Sure, because people crush their own spines all the time.

Yeah know, there's a reason the tale of the boy who cried wolf has endured these many generations. What do you think is the moral of tale?

When did Freddie cry wolf? And how did his spine get crushed?

 

[maxparrish]

Actually it won't help your argument any. You apply standards against her you would not even think about if she were a man and white and prosecuting a black person or defending a cop who kills a black person. Actually the prosecutor's reasoning is not that far off. The crime was committed against the murder victim and not particularly the system. Your link is to a flock of posts that essentially are telling her and me that she was not ethical because she should be more respectful of the people who butter her bread...In other she should ignore cop violence.

It is possible she made some mistakes but the BIG MISTAKE was killing Freddie.

Arkirk, your old tactic of making unsupported rote charge do not impress. You asked "Why is this prosecutor a disgrace?". I told why in prior posts, and in my last post to you. Rather than reading and thinking about the facts of her conduct, as always you loop back to endless accusations of scurrilous motivations behind posters who point out the facts that you don't like.

Last time you provided nothing more than ad hom red herring, excusing your willful ignorance: "Because you do not believe in justice for black people when they are abused by cops. It is your attitude that the BLM movement is responding to." Now you offer another red herring that: "You apply standards against her you would not even think about if she were a man and white and prosecuting a black person or defending a cop who kills a black person.".

Prove those statements - provide the evidence. For someone who slurred that Loren was providing "fake knowledge", I expect you to back up your smears with more than ignorance. Where is your supporting evidence on Mosby's ethics or my motivations, other than the fact that I hold an opinion on Mosby that offends you?

How about "nowhere".

 

[laughing dog]

How do you explain that hung jury even with your compelling eye witness testimony that it was an accident?

They didn't want to give people like this an excuse?

Because you know some of the #BLM geniuses think Porter is a white man.

These people seem to make you wet your pants with fear.

 

[Nexus]

I posted about this guy awhile ago in this thread.

Dondi Johnson Sr., a Baltimore plumber arrested in 2005 for public urination, died two weeks after he was injured in a "rough ride," in which a police van is deliberately driven erratically.

Johnson was arrested in 2005 for urinating on a sidewalk, He was put in the van without a seat belt, according to an affidavit filed in the family's lawsuit. When police arrived at the barracks and opened the door, he was lying on the floor with a broken neck. He told an officer, "The bitch was driving like an asshole. I fell and I can't move."

He was paralyzed. The officers never called an ambulance. Johnson died two weeks later from complications of his paralysis.

Johnson's family sued the Police Department and in 2010 they were awarded a $7.4 million; the amount they received was much lower, $216,500, because of a legal cap.

At trial, a former Baltimore police officer took the stand and testified that rough rides were an "unsanctioned technique" of the Police Department, during which the driver would "drive in such a manner that caused injury or pain."

Was this guy crying wolf too?



link

 

[maxparrish]

Yeah know, there's a reason the tale of the boy who cried wolf has endured these many generations. What do you think is the moral of tale?

When did Freddie cry wolf? And how did his spine get crushed?

1) I have not read your specific characterization. The ME said the injury was from a high velocity impact of his head with something, similar to the same kind of injury that happens when a diver's head hits bottom in shallow water. In Freddies case, I have read it caused an 80 percent spinal cut.

2) Freddie cryed wolf from the moment he was being brought to the van. He cryed wolf in the van, creating so much noise from banging around they had to stop and shakel his legs. He was then placed in the van, and laid prone.

3) At one point, after checking on him and at his request, he was put in the seat.

No one knows how he did it. All that is known is that it happened when he was alone.

The prosecution did not claim it was from a "rough ride"; and they agreed that it happened after he was in the van.

 

[Trausti]

I posted about this guy awhile ago in this thread.

Johnson was arrested in 2005 for urinating on a sidewalk, He was put in the van without a seat belt, according to an affidavit filed in the family's lawsuit. When police arrived at the barracks and opened the door, he was lying on the floor with a broken neck. He told an officer, "The bitch was driving like an asshole. I fell and I can't move."

He was paralyzed. The officers never called an ambulance. Johnson died two weeks later from complications of his paralysis.

Johnson's family sued the Police Department and in 2010 they were awarded a $7.4 million; the amount they received was much lower, $216,500, because of a legal cap.

At trial, a former Baltimore police officer took the stand and testified that rough rides were an "unsanctioned technique" of the Police Department, during which the driver would "drive in such a manner that caused injury or pain."

Was this guy crying wolf too?



link

Did that guy frequently fake injuries to get out of arrests? In addition to the video we have of Freddie Gray acting out before being put in the van, Porter testified at trial that he "had regular encounters with Gray, a man he said feigned injury to avoid arrest." https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/defendant-porter-could-testify-as-defense-begins-in-freddie-gray-case/2015/12/09/72e1de9e-9de0-11e5-a3c5-c77f2cc5a43c_story.html

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Except we have evidence that he was faking injuries. Maybe he tried to make something that looked real and succeeded too well.

FOR THE 254th TIME: PLEASE POST THIS EVIDENCE

and then give it to the defense so they might use it in the trials. Don't you think that might have been a wee bit important?

It's been posted. Look at the video of him being dragged like he can't walk--but you see he actually can.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

FOR THE 254th TIME: PLEASE POST THIS EVIDENCE

and then give it to the defense so they might use it in the trials. Don't you think that might have been a wee bit important?

It's been posted. Look at the video of him being dragged like he can't walk--but you see he actually can.

please repost

 

[Trausti]

It's been posted. Look at the video of him being dragged like he can't walk--but you see he actually can.

please repost

Willful ignorance isn't a virtue.

Once taken to the van he can magically stand! Praise Jebus!

https://youtu.be/Xu3Yp2IdOxY?t=152

 

[Nexus]

In addition to the video we have of Freddie Gray acting out before being put in the van, Porter testified at trial that he "had regular encounters with Gray, a man he said feigned injury to avoid arrest."

Freddie Gray didn't fake his death. There is a clear pattern of police injuring and killing suspects in Baltimore using rough rides.

 

[Toni]

FOR THE 254th TIME: PLEASE POST THIS EVIDENCE

and then give it to the defense so they might use it in the trials. Don't you think that might have been a wee bit important?

It's been posted. Look at the video of him being dragged like he can't walk--but you see he actually can.

So what caused his death? Who was responsible for his death?

 

[atrib]

Of course, being negligent to allow a person in your custody to die... seems like a worse mistake.

Maybe Freddie just forgot his safe word. #50ShadesOfFreddieGray

You are outraged that someone wants to name a place after Freddie Grey. But you are not even mildly perturbed that one more human being was killed in police custody, the same police who are sworn to serve and protect the communities that employ them. Your posts on this forum speak volumes about your humanity, or lack thereof.

 

[RavenSky]

Actually it is a very strong case against the cops. Freddie was alive and fine when he went into the van. He had a crushed spine when he came out.

Except we have evidence that he was faking injuries. Maybe he tried to make something that looked real and succeeded too well.

Yeah! He's clearly faking being dead!