First of all, you just gave us the Hollywood screenplay version of events, not the actual history. But let's take it at face value for now.
How about, instead of rewarding robbers by letting them keep all the stuff they stole, the robbers have to give the stolen stuff back and make restitution for the harm they did.
That sounds fair, right?
See, that way, the assholes who made <insert racial/ethnic/religious designation here> homeless and destitute don't benefit from their assholery any longer than they already have. They have to at least try to make amends. Justice might never be fully served but at least the victims of injustice get something resembling it. ...
Okay, let me see if I've got this straight. Israelis in general are robbers and assholes who stole stuff and did harm and made some other ethnic group homeless and destitute. And you deduced this from them being born into a country founded by some particular Israelis who were robbers and assholes and are long dead. Do I have that right?
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It appears that I haven't been wordy enough.
Armed militant Zionists who murdered people and stole their stuff are robbers and assholes. People who received that obviously stolen property weren't necessarily robbers but may have been complicit in the robbery. They may have lionized the assholes, and sanitized and mythologized the campaign of murder and terrorism into a story they could tell their children without shame.
That's really what you're going with, is it? Lionizing, sanitizing and mythologizing makes people
complicit in crimes that happened long before they were born? So then pretty much the entire Mongolian population is complicit in the crimes of Genghis Khan? And pretty much the entire Palestinian population is complicit in the crimes* of a hundred years of Palestinian terrorists? No, it doesn't work that way. People do not become magically complicit in crimes before they were born no matter how much patriotic bull they got spoon fed growing up.
(* Or is this another of those asymmetrical apologetics where Palestinian crimes are always Israelis' fault for provoking them but Israeli crimes are never Palestinians' fault for provoking them?)
They may have been assholes themselves but they might also have been victims of other murderous assholes and robbers. They might have been desperate for shelter and sympathetic to others who had similarly suffered. They might have willingly given the houses back to the other victims if it had been possible for them to do so. Not everyone who received stolen property was happy about how it came to be theirs. They should not be conflated with people who think "might makes right" and "to the biggest murderous assholes go the spoils".
Right. People should not be conflated with people who aren't them. The robbers already got rewarded and now they're dead so no redistribution now or ever is going to change how rewarded they were or make them give back any stolen stuff. Therefore...
That means when you wrote:
"How about, instead of rewarding robbers by letting them keep all the stuff they stole, the robbers have to give the stolen stuff back and make restitution for the harm they did. That sounds fair, right?"
the policy you were actually advocating would more accurately have been written up like this:
"How about, instead of rewarding non-robbers by leaving them alone, the non-robbers have to give away the stolen stuff to the descendants of people who were driven off before the non-robbers were even born and make restitution for the harm they didn't do. That sounds fair, right?".
Right, that sounds fair. So your argument implies it was fair for the Palestinians to have to give their land away in 1948 to the descendants of its earlier owners, driven off into the Jewish Diaspora before the Palestinians were even born. Thank goodness that's all finally settled. She little thinks how eloquently she has pleaded her rival's cause!
If you need me to be more wordy and talk about the differences between militant murderous Zionists, passive philosophical Zionists, Muslim Israelis, Arab Jews, and other communities of people in Israel and Palestine, or if you need me to devise a system of timestamps to make it less confusing when history is brought into a discussion of current events, I might give it a go later tonight.
I don't need you to be more wordy or re-timestamp history. What I need from you are thoughtful answers to cross-examination questions, and an end to libeling your outgroup as "assholes who made <
insert racial/ethnic/religious designation here> homeless and destitute", and for you to judge everyone's moral obligations by the same standard regardless of their ethnicity.
