Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[lpetrich]

 International recognition of the State of Palestine

Nearly all but the Cold-War-era Western world: the US, Canada, Western Europe, Northern Europe, Greece, Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan. There are some exceptions, however. Malta, Sweden, Iceland, and Vatican City recognize Palestine, while among ex-Soviet countries, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Georgia don't, among ex-Yugoslav countries, Slovenia, Croatia, Kosovo, and North Macedonia don't, and among the others, Cameroon, Djibouti, Panama, and Myanmar don't.

Move by Norway, Ireland, Spain to recognize Palestinian state gets mixed global response | The Times of Israel

US, France, Germany say any two-state solution must be forged by dialogue; Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey, Slovenia welcome announcement by three European countries

...
Most Western governments including the United States say they are willing to one day recognize Palestinian statehood — but not before agreement is reached on thorny issues like its final borders, the status of Jerusalem, the fate of refugees and their descendants, and dependable security for Israel.

Which countries will be next?

 

[Harry Bosch]

 International recognition of the State of Palestine

Nearly all but the Cold-War-era Western world: the US, Canada, Western Europe, Northern Europe, Greece, Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan. There are some exceptions, however. Malta, Sweden, Iceland, and Vatican City recognize Palestine, while among ex-Soviet countries, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Georgia don't, among ex-Yugoslav countries, Slovenia, Croatia, Kosovo, and North Macedonia don't, and among the others, Cameroon, Djibouti, Panama, and Myanmar don't.

Move by Norway, Ireland, Spain to recognize Palestinian state gets mixed global response | The Times of Israel

US, France, Germany say any two-state solution must be forged by dialogue; Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey, Slovenia welcome announcement by three European countries

...
Most Western governments including the United States say they are willing to one day recognize Palestinian statehood — but not before agreement is reached on thorny issues like its final borders, the status of Jerusalem, the fate of refugees and their descendants, and dependable security for Israel.

Which countries will be next?

Cool beans! Palestian state. Where are the borders? What is their capital?

 

[Arctish]

 International recognition of the State of Palestine

Nearly all but the Cold-War-era Western world: the US, Canada, Western Europe, Northern Europe, Greece, Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan. There are some exceptions, however. Malta, Sweden, Iceland, and Vatican City recognize Palestine, while among ex-Soviet countries, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Georgia don't, among ex-Yugoslav countries, Slovenia, Croatia, Kosovo, and North Macedonia don't, and among the others, Cameroon, Djibouti, Panama, and Myanmar don't.

Move by Norway, Ireland, Spain to recognize Palestinian state gets mixed global response | The Times of Israel

US, France, Germany say any two-state solution must be forged by dialogue; Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey, Slovenia welcome announcement by three European countries

...
Most Western governments including the United States say they are willing to one day recognize Palestinian statehood — but not before agreement is reached on thorny issues like its final borders, the status of Jerusalem, the fate of refugees and their descendants, and dependable security for Israel.

Which countries will be next?

Cool beans! Palestian state. Where are the borders? What is their capital?

Most likely the same ones the international community recognized when Israel and the Palestinians agreed to the 1967 borders as part of the Oslo Accords. There is no logical reason why East Jerusalem and West Jerusalem couldn't be the capitals. There's just religious and tribal nonsense about not sharing the 'Holy City' with those people.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

On the complicity of the UN:

Under an UNRWA building | The tunnel where the hostages' bodies were found

Military correspondent Doron Kadosh visited the tunnel in the Jabaliya "Refugee" Camp where IDF soldiers found the bodies of four hostages, and wasn't surprised that the entrance was in a building built by UNRWA with EU funding.

www.israelnationalnews.com

The entrance to a tunnel inside a UNRWA building.

1) They had to know.

2) Tunnel entrances exist for combat reasons.

 

[Arctish]

A building built by UNRWA is a UNRWA building in the same way that a building built by Bechtel is a Bechtel building. What was that you were saying in the other thread about how reports can be factual while also being skewed by bias?

The sign on the building says it was a shelter "reconstructed" with financial support from the Federal Republic of Germany through KfW Bank. So I guess it was a KfW Bank building.

 

[laughing dog]

On the complicity of the UN:

Under an UNRWA building | The tunnel where the hostages' bodies were found

Military correspondent Doron Kadosh visited the tunnel in the Jabaliya "Refugee" Camp where IDF soldiers found the bodies of four hostages, and wasn't surprised that the entrance was in a building built by UNRWA with EU funding.

www.israelnationalnews.com

The entrance to a tunnel inside a UNRWA building.

1) They had to know.

2) Tunnel entrances exist for combat reasons.

As you continually remind everyone, in Gaza, nothing happens without the approval of Hamas. Anyone who stands against Hamas comes to harm or death. So what exactly is any aid agency supposed to do in Gaza that is not somehow complicit with Hamas?

Unless you are suggesting (without a shred of evidence) that the UN through the UNRWA helped build the entrance, what is the point of your factoid?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

On the complicity of the UN:

Under an UNRWA building | The tunnel where the hostages' bodies were found

Military correspondent Doron Kadosh visited the tunnel in the Jabaliya "Refugee" Camp where IDF soldiers found the bodies of four hostages, and wasn't surprised that the entrance was in a building built by UNRWA with EU funding.

www.israelnationalnews.com

The entrance to a tunnel inside a UNRWA building.

1) They had to know.

2) Tunnel entrances exist for combat reasons.

As you continually remind everyone, in Gaza, nothing happens without the approval of Hamas. Anyone who stands against Hamas comes to harm or death. So what exactly is any aid agency supposed to do in Gaza that is not somehow complicit with Hamas?

Unless you are suggesting (without a shred of evidence) that the UN through the UNRWA helped build the entrance, what is the point of your factoid?

If they are being compelled to do Hamas' bidding they should simply declare the conditions impossible and leave. Instead they lend their reputation to Hamas--and end up sullying their own.

 

[laughing dog]

On the complicity of the UN:

Under an UNRWA building | The tunnel where the hostages' bodies were found

Military correspondent Doron Kadosh visited the tunnel in the Jabaliya "Refugee" Camp where IDF soldiers found the bodies of four hostages, and wasn't surprised that the entrance was in a building built by UNRWA with EU funding.

www.israelnationalnews.com

The entrance to a tunnel inside a UNRWA building.

1) They had to know.

2) Tunnel entrances exist for combat reasons.

As you continually remind everyone, in Gaza, nothing happens without the approval of Hamas. Anyone who stands against Hamas comes to harm or death. So what exactly is any aid agency supposed to do in Gaza that is not somehow complicit with Hamas?

Unless you are suggesting (without a shred of evidence) that the UN through the UNRWA helped build the entrance, what is the point of your factoid?

If they are being compelled to do Hamas' bidding they should simply declare the conditions impossible and leave. Instead they lend their reputation to Hamas--and end up sullying their own.

If they leave, then the aid and help to civilians receive leaves.

 

[Arctish]

On the complicity of the UN:

Under an UNRWA building | The tunnel where the hostages' bodies were found

Military correspondent Doron Kadosh visited the tunnel in the Jabaliya "Refugee" Camp where IDF soldiers found the bodies of four hostages, and wasn't surprised that the entrance was in a building built by UNRWA with EU funding.

www.israelnationalnews.com

The entrance to a tunnel inside a UNRWA building.

1) They had to know.

2) Tunnel entrances exist for combat reasons.

As you continually remind everyone, in Gaza, nothing happens without the approval of Hamas. Anyone who stands against Hamas comes to harm or death. So what exactly is any aid agency supposed to do in Gaza that is not somehow complicit with Hamas?

Unless you are suggesting (without a shred of evidence) that the UN through the UNRWA helped build the entrance, what is the point of your factoid?

If they are being compelled to do Hamas' bidding they should simply declare the conditions impossible and leave. Instead they lend their reputation to Hamas--and end up sullying their own.

And if Hamas is sneaking around behind the backs of foreign agencies and Mossad agents, and hiding their tunnel entrances so well even the specialists in the IDF have difficulty locating them...?

You're making it sound like Hamas walks around out in the open and the Israelis are too stupid and/or lazy to notice what cafeteria cooks, bureaucrats, and custodians can plainly see.

 

[Arctish]

Far-right Israeli settlers step up attacks on aid trucks bound for Gaza

Hamas launches rocket attack towards Tel Aviv

At least 35 killed in Israeli strikes on Rafah camp, Gaza health ministry says

 

[Copernicus]

Far-right Israeli settlers step up attacks on aid trucks bound for Gaza

Hamas launches rocket attack towards Tel Aviv

At least 35 killed in Israeli strikes on Rafah camp, Gaza health ministry says

Apparently, this is the first time in four months that Hamas managed to launch another rocket attack, proving that all of Israel will be wiped out by Hamas unless they killing innocent Palestinian "human shields" in Gaza and depriving those same "human shields" of basic necessities.

 

[Tigers!]

Far-right Israeli settlers step up attacks on aid trucks bound for Gaza

Hamas launches rocket attack towards Tel Aviv

At least 35 killed in Israeli strikes on Rafah camp, Gaza health ministry says

Apparently, this is the first time in four months that Hamas managed to launch another rocket attack, proving that all of Israel will be wiped out by Hamas unless they killing innocent Palestinian "human shields" in Gaza and depriving those same "human shields" of basic necessities.

As always I remind myself what happened on 7th Oct. 2023

 

[Copernicus]

Far-right Israeli settlers step up attacks on aid trucks bound for Gaza

Hamas launches rocket attack towards Tel Aviv

At least 35 killed in Israeli strikes on Rafah camp, Gaza health ministry says

Apparently, this is the first time in four months that Hamas managed to launch another rocket attack, proving that all of Israel will be wiped out by Hamas unless they killing innocent Palestinian "human shields" in Gaza and depriving those same "human shields" of basic necessities.

As always I remind myself what happened on 7th Oct. 2023

Does that entail forgetting what happened subsequent to that date?

 

[Tigers!]

Far-right Israeli settlers step up attacks on aid trucks bound for Gaza

Hamas launches rocket attack towards Tel Aviv

At least 35 killed in Israeli strikes on Rafah camp, Gaza health ministry says

Apparently, this is the first time in four months that Hamas managed to launch another rocket attack, proving that all of Israel will be wiped out by Hamas unless they killing innocent Palestinian "human shields" in Gaza and depriving those same "human shields" of basic necessities.

As always I remind myself what happened on 7th Oct. 2023

Does that entail forgetting what happened subsequent to that date?

Of course not. But the current attack on Gaza did not occur in a vacuum i.e. the Israelis did not decide to invade Gaza on 27th Oct. 2023 for no reason.
Effect follows cause.

 

[Copernicus]

Far-right Israeli settlers step up attacks on aid trucks bound for Gaza

Hamas launches rocket attack towards Tel Aviv

At least 35 killed in Israeli strikes on Rafah camp, Gaza health ministry says

Apparently, this is the first time in four months that Hamas managed to launch another rocket attack, proving that all of Israel will be wiped out by Hamas unless they killing innocent Palestinian "human shields" in Gaza and depriving those same "human shields" of basic necessities.

As always I remind myself what happened on 7th Oct. 2023

Does that entail forgetting what happened subsequent to that date?

Of course not. But the current attack on Gaza did not occur in a vacuum i.e. the Israelis did not decide to invade Gaza on 27th Oct. 2023 for no reason.
Effect follows cause.

First of all, it was 7th, not 27th, of October, but that was just a typo. Your implication that the cycle started on that date is utter nonsense. Mossad had seen the Hamas forces training for the invasion and just dismissed it, thinking that it was all for show. This cycle of violence has been going on for so many decades that one wonders why you speak of effect and cause here. The Hamas terrorist attack did not occur for no reason either. None of it is justified. It is all a cycle of revenge, and that explains the vicious destruction of Gaza and unfolding humanitarian disaster there, as the Likud-dominated Israeli government carries out its macabre slaughter of terrorists and civilian non-combatants alike. Israel let its guard down while it was focused on ramping up its slow-motion ethnic cleansing of the West Bank, which was the real reason for Hamas remaining in power for so long in Gaza.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Israeli airstrike kills dozens after hitting tent camp for displaced, Gaza officials say

The Israeli military said it had targeted two senior Hamas leaders in the strike in Rafah and that the incident was under review.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Tigers!]

Far-right Israeli settlers step up attacks on aid trucks bound for Gaza

Hamas launches rocket attack towards Tel Aviv

At least 35 killed in Israeli strikes on Rafah camp, Gaza health ministry says

Apparently, this is the first time in four months that Hamas managed to launch another rocket attack, proving that all of Israel will be wiped out by Hamas unless they killing innocent Palestinian "human shields" in Gaza and depriving those same "human shields" of basic necessities.

As always I remind myself what happened on 7th Oct. 2023

Does that entail forgetting what happened subsequent to that date?

Of course not. But the current attack on Gaza did not occur in a vacuum i.e. the Israelis did not decide to invade Gaza on 27th Oct. 2023 for no reason.
Effect follows cause.

First of all, it was 7th, not 27th, of October, but that was just a typo. Your implication that the cycle started on that date is utter nonsense. Mossad had seen the Hamas forces training for the invasion and just dismissed it, thinking that it was all for show. This cycle of violence has been going on for so many decades that one wonders why you speak of effect and cause here.

IIRC Hamas attacked on 7th Oct but Israel did not invade Gaza until the 27th Oct.
The current attack on Gaza is a result of 7th Oct. 2023. Israel had not invaded Gaza since 2014.

The Hamas terrorist attack did not occur for no reason either. None of it is justified.

That sadly is so true.

It is all a cycle of revenge, and that explains the vicious destruction of Gaza and unfolding humanitarian disaster there, as the Likud-dominated Israeli government carries out its macabre slaughter of terrorists and civilian non-combatants alike. Israel let its guard down while it was focused on ramping up its slow-motion ethnic cleansing of the West Bank, which was the real reason for Hamas remaining in power for so long in Gaza.

Israel was caught with their pants down.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Far-right Israeli settlers step up attacks on aid trucks bound for Gaza

Hamas launches rocket attack towards Tel Aviv

At least 35 killed in Israeli strikes on Rafah camp, Gaza health ministry says

Apparently, this is the first time in four months that Hamas managed to launch another rocket attack, proving that all of Israel will be wiped out by Hamas unless they killing innocent Palestinian "human shields" in Gaza and depriving those same "human shields" of basic necessities.

As always I remind myself what happened on 7th Oct. 2023

Does that entail forgetting what happened subsequent to that date?

Of course not. But the current attack on Gaza did not occur in a vacuum i.e. the Israelis did not decide to invade Gaza on 27th Oct. 2023 for no reason.
Effect follows cause.

First of all, it was 7th, not 27th, of October, but that was just a typo. Your implication that the cycle started on that date is utter nonsense. Mossad had seen the Hamas forces training for the invasion and just dismissed it, thinking that it was all for show. This cycle of violence has been going on for so many decades that one wonders why you speak of effect and cause here. The Hamas terrorist attack did not occur for no reason either. None of it is justified. It is all a cycle of revenge, and that explains the vicious destruction of Gaza and unfolding humanitarian disaster there, as the Likud-dominated Israeli government carries out its macabre slaughter of terrorists and civilian non-combatants alike. Israel let its guard down while it was focused on ramping up its slow-motion ethnic cleansing of the West Bank, which was the real reason for Hamas remaining in power for so long in Gaza.

I think that it's too simplistic to call the acts "cycles of revenge". Hamas attacked an Israeli peace festival. I think very clearly they are attacking peace and trying to stop the normalization movement between Israel and the other Arab states. The current Israeli actions are to get the hostages and stop future Hamas attacks.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

On the complicity of the UN:

Under an UNRWA building | The tunnel where the hostages' bodies were found

Military correspondent Doron Kadosh visited the tunnel in the Jabaliya "Refugee" Camp where IDF soldiers found the bodies of four hostages, and wasn't surprised that the entrance was in a building built by UNRWA with EU funding.

www.israelnationalnews.com

The entrance to a tunnel inside a UNRWA building.

1) They had to know.

2) Tunnel entrances exist for combat reasons.

As you continually remind everyone, in Gaza, nothing happens without the approval of Hamas. Anyone who stands against Hamas comes to harm or death. So what exactly is any aid agency supposed to do in Gaza that is not somehow complicit with Hamas?

Unless you are suggesting (without a shred of evidence) that the UN through the UNRWA helped build the entrance, what is the point of your factoid?

If they are being compelled to do Hamas' bidding they should simply declare the conditions impossible and leave. Instead they lend their reputation to Hamas--and end up sullying their own.

If they leave, then the aid and help to civilians receive leaves.

Which is how they justify the evil in their hearts. Doesn't mean they don't end up effectively making things worse, though.

Same as when the Red Crescent would not denounce the misuse of ambulances the result was that Israel no longer considers ambulances automatic non-combatants.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Far-right Israeli settlers step up attacks on aid trucks bound for Gaza

Hamas launches rocket attack towards Tel Aviv

At least 35 killed in Israeli strikes on Rafah camp, Gaza health ministry says

Apparently, this is the first time in four months that Hamas managed to launch another rocket attack, proving that all of Israel will be wiped out by Hamas unless they killing innocent Palestinian "human shields" in Gaza and depriving those same "human shields" of basic necessities.

Read more carefully. First time in four months that Hamas attacked central Israel. Not the first time in four months they have attacked Israel. Most of their rockets don't fly far enough to hit Tel Aviv.

And the article's bias is showing, acting as if Israel's actions are somehow wrong because there are talks going on. This is falling for the fundamental fallacy of thinking talks inherently have value. No, agreements have value, talks are usually just delaying tactics.