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Israel announces largest West Bank land appropriation since Oslo Accords
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Netanyahu showed the world a map when he addressed the UN in September 2023, a month before the terror attack in October, that presented the West Bank and Gaza as part of Israel, 'from the river to the sea' since 1948.Israel announces largest West Bank land appropriation since Oslo Accords
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Six months earlier, the current Defense Minister Bezalel Smotrich stood at a podium in Paris that was draped with a banner depicting all of Gaza, the West Bank, and the Kingdom of Jordan as part of Israel, and declared there was no such thing as the Palestinian people, that only Jews counted as Palestinian, and that David Ben Gurion should have "finished the job" of ethnic cleansing in Palestine.
I have no doubt we could find plenty of instances where members of Netanyahu's Administration and closest political allies openly displayed their intentions to annex all of Palestine, to deny the Palestinians the Right to live there, and do whatever it takes to ensure Jews have an assured unassailable majority for generations to come, whether through brutal oppression, apartheid, ethnic cleansing, or genocide.
There are a lot of folks with their heads stuck in the sand regarding the outcome Netanyahu and his cronies are working toward, and plenty more trying to gaslight the rest of us about it.
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Last time I looked Tel Aviv is part of Israel and so I am not surprised that the IDF openly operates out of there.
As to possible condemnation we shall have to wait and see.
Arctish
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Last time I looked Gaza wasn't part of Israel. Hamas is currently in charge of Gaza and operates out of there.
You accuse Hamas of using human shield tactics for having its fighters embedded in areas full of civilians. You do not accuse Israel of the same even though it, too, has its fighters embedded in a city full of civilians. Not only that, you and others continue to ignore multiple documented instances of the IDF literally using civilians as human shields while you focus on the metaphorical and apply obvious double standards.
Are you, or are you not, opposed to the use of human shields?
Would you condemn Hamas fighters who found a wounded Israeli civilian and strapped him to the front of their vehicle, exacerbating his wounds and inflicting new ones as they drove around? Would you condemn Hamas fighters who forced an Israeli civilian at gunpoint to be their messenger boy, then murdered him while he was still their helpless captive? Would you condemn Palestinians who took Israeli children out of their homes and forced them to walk in front of Palestinian fighters as literal actual fucking human shields, at times firing weapons placed on the kid's shoulders?
If the answer is yes, then what do you say about IDF soldiers doing it?
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The Israeli soldiers were very wrong and wicked to use human shields. They need to be punished for their disregard.
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I agree.
Obviously this is an on-going issue, so I would not limit censure to just the soldiers who get caught doing it. Soldiers in the IDF have been using Palestinian civilians as human shields for 20 years, if not more. The problem appears to be systemic, and the punishment for getting caught appears to be little more than an inconvenience for the perpetrators. It's long past time to hold the Israeli leadership accountable as well.
I understand that people caught up in a war have very little sympathy for those they consider their enemies, but those of us not living in Israel or Palestine should be able to recognize how evil it is to kidnap, abuse, and basically enslave people by forcing them at gunpoint to risk their lives on behalf of the combatants threatening them, no matter which side of the conflict they're on.
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I'm a little behind in this thread also. But I'm interested. Do you have a link?
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Actually, as I reread your post, I think that you were being ironic.? Israeli troopers have rescued hostages since 10.3. I think that most were Jews. But there was an American and a Thai worker I believe.
I understand that during times of war between nations, there have been instances where civilians have been transported to safety by nations on both sides of the conflict, regardless of their national origin. I have found information about Israel allowing aid from other nations into Gaza & allegations that Hamas has blocked civilians from leaving. There are reports of Palestinians refusing to leave their homes, but those were before Israel began their efforts to eliminate Hamas. I'm not finding much evidence of Israel actively attempting to rescue Palestinian civilians or establishing a safe haven for them.
I'm aware of Muwasi, but there seems to be limited information about its current status. There are conflicting reports about it being attacked by Israel, lacking infrastructure, not being serviced by aid groups yet undergoing expansion by Israel.
I'm aware of Muwasi, but there seems to be limited information about its current status. There are conflicting reports about it being attacked by Israel, lacking infrastructure, not being serviced by aid groups yet undergoing expansion by Israel.
Human shield or because they wanted to transport him but didn't want him in the vehicle with them?
Don't put much credence in what the Red Crescent says--they support terrorist use of their symbols.
Keeping calling that human shields doesn't make it so. This has long been their policy--have the locals show that things aren't booby trapped. They're free to walk away, the IDF will simply assume it's booby trapped and blow it up.
Same thing as if the bomb squad thinks your bag is a bomb. Open it up and show them it isn't if you don't want them to treat it as a bomb.
Shadowy Man
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exactly. It’s not like they dragged him behind the vehicle. Tying to the hood was the most humane option.
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Even Trump could not come up with such a whopper!
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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Lots of possibilities here....
Maybe they were helping him get a sun tan.
Maybe they thought he had traveled to Japan recently and got the rare flesh-eating bacteria disease.
Maybe they were filming the next National Lampoon's vacation.
Maybe they were helping him get a sun tan.
Maybe they thought he had traveled to Japan recently and got the rare flesh-eating bacteria disease.
Maybe they were filming the next National Lampoon's vacation.
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Smotrich calls on Netanyahu to annex West Bank if World Court declares settlements illegal
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Ben Gvir urges PM to threaten the US with collapsing PA if far-right ministers are sanctioned
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Zachary Foster on X: "The 8 Tiers of Israeli Apartheid, A 
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Areas A, B, C in the West Bank: What are Area A, Area B, and Area C in the West Bank? - Anera
" / X- Jewish citizens of Israel (7.2 million people) -- full voting rights, full property-ownership rights, no family-reunification restrictions, seldom suffering disproportionate response when they protest the Israeli government's actions, having a de facto right to destroy Palestinians' property in the West Bank.
- Palestinian and other non-Jewish citizens of Israel (2.5 million people) -- full voting rights, but very limited property-ownership rights, no right to reunify with family members in the West Bank or the Gaza Strip, often suffering disproportionate response when they protest, their facilities receiving much less funding from the Israeli government than Jewish citizens' ones.
- Unrecognized Palestinian Citizens of Israel (85,000 people) -- mainly Bedouin Arabs. Their towns are not officially recognized, with no access to Israeli electricity, water, and trash pickup.
- Palestinians living in Israeli occupied East Jerusalem (360,000 people) -- no Israeli citizenship despite the territory being annexed by Israel, Israel rejects most Palestinians' building-permit applications, Jews allowed to take over pre-1948 Jewish-owned property, but Palestinians not allowed to take over pre-1948 Palestinian-owned property elsewhere. Palestinian facilities underfunded relative to Jewish citizens' ones.
- Palestinians living in Area A of the West Bank (1.6 million people) -- Administered by the Palestinian Authority -- Palestinians live under a 57-year military occupation, they don't have freedom of movement in it, they are not allowed to leave without a permit. They can be imprisoned indefinitely without charge: "administrative detention". Israel also controls all the water there. The Palestinian Authority collaborates with Israel, violently suppressing protests.
- Palestinians living in Area B of the West Bank (1.3 million people) -- Administered by the Palestinian Authority, shared security control with Israel -- Like Area A, but one must cross Israeli checkpoints to get to A or C, it's necessary to get permits to access land in A and C.
- Palestinians living in Area C of the West Bank (100,000 people) -- Administered by Israel -- like A and B, but worse. Less than 1% of land is available to Palestinians for construction, and demolition orders are some 100 times more common than construction permits. Several Palestinian villeges have been ethnically cleansed in the last few years.
- Palestinians Living in Gaza (2.2 million people) -- much like the West Bank, but suffering a 17-year siege and a 9-month genocidal onslaught.
Areas A, B, C in the West Bank: What are Area A, Area B, and Area C in the West Bank? - Anera
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Younis Tirawi | يونس on X: " Have you heard about the immigrant from New Jersey, US, who came to Israel a few years ago and is now blowing up mosques in Gaza and shooting indiscriminately at civilian houses in the strip?
His name is Bram Setterbrino -> (link)" / X
Younis Tirawi | يونس on X: "Remember the guy in the mosque holding Quran in the pic below. His name is Ofir Amishay. He's known for harming Palestinians in Masafer Yatta last year. His well known method was to kidnap Palestinians, lock them up in a container in the army base for a few hours blindfolded and then dump them somewhere a few hours afterwards.
A letter was sent to the army, detailing testimonies of people who Amishay kidnapped ->" / X
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Younis Tirawi | يونس on X: "An Israeli soldier on the pulpit holding the Quran, with explosives placed on the walls of the mosque moments before its detonation. (pic link)" / X
B.M. on X: ""We are fighting against these people, these cockroaches, and we are going to fuck them up"
Israeli soldiers in Rafah proudly display cuffed and blindfolded Palestinian abductees. Already shared joyously by many Israelis, including, of course, Netanyahu's genocidal mouthpiece Yinon Magal. (vid link)" / X
Muhammad Shehada on X: "
Extremely important testimonies of Israeli soldiers admitting to unspeakable atrocities in Gaza: Mass graves; tanks crushing Gazans alive; littering the streets with bodies of civilians, women & children for dogs to feast on; & shooting indiscriminately for fun out of boredom (link)" / X
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‘I’m bored, so I shoot’: The Israeli army’s approval of free-for-all violence in Gaza - "Israeli soldiers describe the near-total absence of firing regulations in the Gaza war, with troops shooting as they please, setting homes ablaze, and leaving corpses on the streets — all with their commanders’ permission."
Seems very plausible, given how they are fighting there, and given the total lack of interest in trying to buy rejection of Hamas.
Younis Tirawi | يونس on X: "Read carefully! " / X
Have you heard about the immigrant from New Jersey, US, who came to Israel a few years ago and is now blowing up mosques in Gaza and shooting indiscriminately at civilian houses in the strip?His name is Bram Setterbrino -> (link)" / X
Younis Tirawi | يونس on X: "Remember the guy in the mosque holding Quran in the pic below. His name is Ofir Amishay. He's known for harming Palestinians in Masafer Yatta last year. His well known method was to kidnap Palestinians, lock them up in a container in the army base for a few hours blindfolded and then dump them somewhere a few hours afterwards.
A letter was sent to the army, detailing testimonies of people who Amishay kidnapped ->" / X
noting
Younis Tirawi | يونس on X: "An Israeli soldier on the pulpit holding the Quran, with explosives placed on the walls of the mosque moments before its detonation. (pic link)" / X
B.M. on X: ""We are fighting against these people, these cockroaches, and we are going to fuck them up"
Israeli soldiers in Rafah proudly display cuffed and blindfolded Palestinian abductees. Already shared joyously by many Israelis, including, of course, Netanyahu's genocidal mouthpiece Yinon Magal. (vid link)" / X
Muhammad Shehada on X: "
Extremely important testimonies of Israeli soldiers admitting to unspeakable atrocities in Gaza: Mass graves; tanks crushing Gazans alive; littering the streets with bodies of civilians, women & children for dogs to feast on; & shooting indiscriminately for fun out of boredom (link)" / Xnoting
‘I’m bored, so I shoot’: The Israeli army’s approval of free-for-all violence in Gaza - "Israeli soldiers describe the near-total absence of firing regulations in the Gaza war, with troops shooting as they please, setting homes ablaze, and leaving corpses on the streets — all with their commanders’ permission."
Seems very plausible, given how they are fighting there, and given the total lack of interest in trying to buy rejection of Hamas.
Younis Tirawi | يونس on X: "Read carefully! " / X
A translation of what some Israeli solder wrote for some social media.