Gerrymandering... it just is now.

[Politesse]

There are six states that by default have only one voting district, since they only have one House representative.

 

[Tigers!]

Subverting democracy to save democracy is a dangerous path to tread. You may not get back.

And if we don’t attempt to save it will we get it back?

It is a huge risk with no guarantees.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Subverting democracy to save democracy is a dangerous path to tread. You may not get back.

And if we don’t attempt to save it will we get it back?

It is a huge risk with no guarantees.

No shit. The OP even referred to this as a malignant cancer, so you can stop your attempt of being the moral moderate.

The right-wing GOP put the justices on the SCOTUS bench that said this shit is constitutional. Now the Dems are facing a Hobson's choice in face of the GOP regerrymandering gerrymandered districts (TX, MO, OH, TBD) in order to hold the US House.

 

[Tigers!]

Subverting democracy to save democracy is a dangerous path to tread. You may not get back.

And if we don’t attempt to save it will we get it back?

It is a huge risk with no guarantees.

No shit. The OP even referred to this as a malignant cancer, so you can stop your attempt of being the moral moderate.

Rather than a moral extremist?

The right-wing GOP put the justices on the SCOTUS bench that said this shit is constitutional.

Certainly a bad decision.

Now the Dems are facing a Hobson's choice in face of the GOP regerrymandering gerrymandered districts (TX, MO, OH, TBD) in order to hold the US House.

I know, I know. Because they do it we must do it. When does it end? Pity the poor voters.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Subverting democracy to save democracy is a dangerous path to tread. You may not get back.

And if we don’t attempt to save it will we get it back?

It is a huge risk with no guarantees.

No shit. The OP even referred to this as a malignant cancer, so you can stop your attempt of being the moral moderate.

Rather than a moral extremist?

I'd questioned the term "moral".

The right-wing GOP put the justices on the SCOTUS bench that said this shit is constitutional.

Certainly a bad decision.

A bad decision. I suppose that is one was to gas light it.

Now the Dems are facing a Hobson's choice in face of the GOP regerrymandering gerrymandered districts (TX, MO, OH, TBD) in order to hold the US House.

I know, I know. Because they do it we must do it. When does it end? Pity the poor voters.

Option 1) Do nothing and hope the 35% Trump polling is enough to pull off a miracle to take the US House
Option 2) Do what the GOP is doing and have the control of the House come down to an even smaller handful of seats. Have a fairer-ish chance at winning what is left of the Democratic elections of the US House.

To put things in perspective,

2010: GOP 6.8% victory in vote for US House. GOP have 49 seat margin. (pre-2010 census gerrymander)
2018: Dems 8.6% victory in vote for US House. Dems have 36 seat margin. (post-2010 census gerrymander)

 

[Tigers!]

Subverting democracy to save democracy is a dangerous path to tread. You may not get back.

And if we don’t attempt to save it will we get it back?

It is a huge risk with no guarantees.

No shit. The OP even referred to this as a malignant cancer, so you can stop your attempt of being the moral moderate.

Rather than a moral extremist?

I'd questioned the term "moral".

The word was introduced by you.

The right-wing GOP put the justices on the SCOTUS bench that said this shit is constitutional.

Certainly a bad decision.

A bad decision. I suppose that is one was to gas light it.

Now the Dems are facing a Hobson's choice in face of the GOP regerrymandering gerrymandered districts (TX, MO, OH, TBD) in order to hold the US House.

I know, I know. Because they do it we must do it. When does it end? Pity the poor voters.

Option 1) Do nothing and hope the 35% Trump polling is enough to pull off a miracle to take the US House
Option 2) Do what the GOP is doing and have the control of the House come down to an even smaller handful of seats. Have a fairer-ish chance at winning what is left of the Democratic elections of the US House.

I am not condoning what the GOP is doing nor the Democrtas response. Gerrymandering is wrong no matter who does it. But going down the same path as each other ensures that no-one will win in the end.

To put things in perspective,

2010: GOP 6.8% victory in vote for US House. GOP have 49 seat margin. (pre-2010 census gerrymander)
2018: Dems 8.6% victory in vote for US House. Dems have 36 seat margin. (post-2010 census gerrymander)

Breakdown of UK 2024 results
Labour won 3.4x as many seats as Tory with only 10% more of the vote. Margin is 291 seats.

You really need to get more of your citizens to vote. As does the UK.

 

[Elixir]

Rather than a moral extremist?

If either attempt fails (and it does) perhaps it’s not a productive stance.

Really need to get more of your citizens to vote.

^ Case in point. Pretend that this is your exclusive insight, while virtually every “lib” you decry has been beating that drum for years.

 

[Tigers!]

Rather than a moral extremist?

If either attempt fails (and it does) perhaps it’s not a productive stance.

Really need to get more of your citizens to vote.

^ Case in point. Pretend that this is your exclusive insight, while virtually every “lib” you decry has been beating that drum for years.

Never claimed that it was an exclusive insight. Just obvious (of course that is the problem).

So when/what are you going to do something about it?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The right-wing GOP put the justices on the SCOTUS bench that said this shit is constitutional.

Certainly a bad decision.

A bad decision. I suppose that is one was to gas light it.

Now the Dems are facing a Hobson's choice in face of the GOP regerrymandering gerrymandered districts (TX, MO, OH, TBD) in order to hold the US House.

I know, I know. Because they do it we must do it. When does it end? Pity the poor voters.

Option 1) Do nothing and hope the 35% Trump polling is enough to pull off a miracle to take the US House
Option 2) Do what the GOP is doing and have the control of the House come down to an even smaller handful of seats. Have a fairer-ish chance at winning what is left of the Democratic elections of the US House.

I am not condoning what the GOP is doing nor the Democrtas response.

Bullshit. You never complain about the right-wing. You are doing this bogus moral moderate crusade.

Gerrymandering is wrong no matter who does it. But going down the same path as each other ensures that no-one will win in the end.

Preaching to the choir. Maybe reread the OP.

To put things in perspective,

2010: GOP 6.8% victory in vote for US House. GOP have 49 seat margin. (pre-2010 census gerrymander)
2018: Dems 8.6% victory in vote for US House. Dems have 36 seat margin. (post-2010 census gerrymander)

Breakdown of UK 2024 results
Labour won 3.4x as many seats as Tory with only 10% more of the vote. Margin is 291 seats.

You really need to get more of your citizens to vote. As does the UK.

It amazes me how clueless you are about American elections, politics, yet clamor be the moral moderate, when you are neither. The GOP and Dems can't possibly pull that off for numerous reasons, that have nothing to do with voter turnout (2 party v >> 2 party voting, a lot more seats available for the territory, the existing gerrymandering)!

 

[Elixir]

So when/what are you going to do something about it?

Me? Personally? Look over my posting history and count the dozens of times I’ve raised the point you want to excoriate us for not forcing.
Question - what part did YOU play in creating Au’s ‘mandatory’ voting laws?
None? Quelle surprise.

 

[Elixir]

Bullshit. You never complain about the right-wing. You are doing this bogus moral moderate crusade.

QFT

 

[Tigers!]

So when/what are you going to do something about it?

Me? Personally? Look over my posting history and count the dozens of times I’ve raised the point you want to excoriate us for not forcing.
Question - what part did YOU play in creating Au’s ‘mandatory’ voting laws?
None? Quelle surprise.

I vote every chance I get, local, state and commonwealth.
I constantly tell others voting is a precious gift - don't throw it away (unlike the Brits and Yanks)
I have been an electoral offical at state and commonwealth elections for > 30 years.
And I support the mandatory part of getting our names marked off the electoral roll.
I did not create the voting laws but I will maintain them.

 

[Tigers!]

So when/what are you going to do something about it?

Me? Personally? Look over my posting history and count the dozens of times I’ve raised the point you want to excoriate us for not forcing.
Question - what part did YOU play in creating Au’s ‘mandatory’ voting laws?
None? Quelle surprise.

Bullshit. You never complain about the right-wing. You are doing this bogus moral moderate crusade.

QFT

For those who reading comprehension is poor.

Gerrymandering for what ever reason is wrong and immoral, no matter who does it. Republican, Democrar, Labour, Liberal etc.

 

[Elixir]

I vote every chance I get, local, state and commonwealth.
I constantly tell others voting is a precious gift - don't throw it away (unlike the Brits and Yanks)
I have been an electoral offical at state and commonwealth elections for > 30 years.
And I support the mandatory part of getting our names marked off the electoral roll.
I did not create the voting laws but I will maintain them.

Well aren’t you the very prince of propriety!
Telling people to vote is so on point! I should have thought of that.

Oh wait! I’ve BEEN doing that NONSTOP! Why do they listen to you but not to me?
Oh, right, you are successful because
THE LAW REQUIRES VOTING WHERE YOU ARE.
Go ahead and keep playing holier than thou, because you (collectively) ARE a more benign entity than what the USA has become.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So when/what are you going to do something about it?

Me? Personally? Look over my posting history and count the dozens of times I’ve raised the point you want to excoriate us for not forcing.
Question - what part did YOU play in creating Au’s ‘mandatory’ voting laws?
None? Quelle surprise.

Bullshit. You never complain about the right-wing. You are doing this bogus moral moderate crusade.

QFT

For those who reading comprehension is poor.

Gerrymandering for what ever reason is wrong and immoral, no matter who does it. Republican, Democrar, Labour, Liberal etc.

Not certain the snark, seeing that most in this thread already came to that conclusion before you blessed us with your moral moderate persona.

 

[jonatha]

Gerrymandering for what ever reason is wrong and immoral, no matter who does it. Republican, Democrar, Labour, Liberal etc.

So what do y'all do in Oz to decide electoral boundaries?

 

[Swammerdami]

Really need to get more of your citizens to vote.

^ Case in point. Pretend that this is your exclusive insight, while virtually every “lib” you decry has been beating that drum for years.

Never claimed that it was an exclusive insight. Just obvious (of course that is the problem).

So when/what are you going to do something about it?

A necessary first step is to regain control of the Congress from the evil-doers while there's still a chance that their fascist take-over isn't permanent. Gerrymandering by California and other "blue" states just MIGHT be a way to do that. With the criminals setting our house on fire and death imminent, we "say a prayer" and toss our last grenade at them. We're pacifists but want to save lives. The alternative is to kiss the ass of Trump and the Fascists and to wave a fond goodbye to American democracy.

Unclear why you have trouble understanding that.

 

[bilby]

Gerrymandering for what ever reason is wrong and immoral, no matter who does it. Republican, Democrar, Labour, Liberal etc.

So what do y'all do in Oz to decide electoral boundaries?

https://www.aec.gov.au/redistributions/about/steps.html

 

[gmbteach]

Gerrymandering for what ever reason is wrong and immoral, no matter who does it. Republican, Democrar, Labour, Liberal etc.

So what do y'all do in Oz to decide electoral boundaries?

https://www.aec.gov.au/redistributions/about/steps.html

Which is why some of our electoral areas a massive area wise, and others only a few suburbs!

 

[ZiprHead]

Gerrymandering for what ever reason is wrong and immoral, no matter who does it. Republican, Democrar, Labour, Liberal etc.

So what do y'all do in Oz to decide electoral boundaries?

https://www.aec.gov.au/redistributions/about/steps.html

Which is why some of our electoral areas a massive area wise, and others only a few suburbs!

Based on population, not volume of land.