Growing Up with a Black Cop

[Elixir]

Banks will invest wherever they expect to make money.

So, naturally, when a black person asks them to invest, the immediate assessment is “this person has a higher than average chance of defaulting, based on first impression”.
That’s systemic racism, even though the banker may have best friends who are black, and might even be black him/herself.

 

[Gospel]

You know that people from nice, white neighborhoods specifically drive through poorer neighborhoods looking to score drugs, right?

Correct. Because they know that open drug dealing would not be acceptable in their own neighborhood.

Are you insinuating that no black people find open drug dealing in their neighborhood unacceptable?

 

[laughing dog]

You know that people from nice, white neighborhoods specifically drive through poorer neighborhoods looking to score drugs, right?

Correct. Because they know that open drug dealing would not be acceptable in their own neighborhood.

You do realize you are reinforcing the point that poverty stimulates crime. For some reason, many people just don't grasp the concept that significant lack of resources not only produces incentives for illicit activity, it also provides geographical locations for those illicit activities because the societies throughout the ages have tended to devote more resources to protecting the middle and upper income classes.

 

[Elixir]

significant lack of resources not only produces incentives for illicit activity, it also provides geographical locations for those illicit activities because the societies throughout the ages have tended to devote more resources to protecting the middle and upper income classes.

Further, severe lack of resources drives the despair and hopelessness that makes escapist indulgence in alcohol and drugs into the only attractive option available to the poor and suppressed.

 

[Gospel]

Lets not forget the elephant in the room. The war on drugs was originally declared to target minorities and white people that support them.

Report: Aide says Nixon’s war on drugs targeted blacks, hippies​

Oh but lord forbid the black community be a little apprehensive working with the police to fix their community. The same system is in place now. Duh.

 

[Worldtraveller]

I highly recommend the well researched 4 part miniseries " America's War on Drugs". For a good historical background.

Oleg, derec, and other fascists won't like it....because it's accurate.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

And yet, these crime infested neighborhoods that scare people away get gentrified. Social phenomena are more complicated than this one thing over here or that one thing over there.

So when people who care about social order displace people who don't the neighborhood gets better? I'm shocked.

You can't say crime keeps business out of a neighborhood while businesses are coming to and gentrifying the same neighborhood.

 

[Gospel]

And when those displaced by gentrification move to affordable housing close to Oleg's neck of the woods, he'll say, that was such a decent neighborhood until those poor brown folks moved in. If only gentrification didn't price people out of a neighborhood but instead absorbed them.

 

[Jarhyn]

Whatever I'm just saying illegal drugs are not just a black thing. It's a white thing too.

I'm agreeing, I just also think that this is yet another knock on effects of the drug war, and the longstanding attempt to stand between black folks and education by way too many wealthy folks.

 

[Elixir]

And when those displaced by gentrification move to affordable hosing close to Oleg's neck of the woods, he'll say, that was such a decent neighborhood until those poor brown folks moved in. If only gentrification didn't price people out of a neighborhood but instead absorbed them.

This makes me want to pay a visit to the Fillmore district in SF. So many beautiful Victorian homes, neglected and run down in the 60s/early 70s. I have not been back. But that neighborhood had every potential to be as nice as say, Pacific Heights, where the beautiful Victorians have been restored and modernized for habitation by "polite society". I hope some residents of the Fillmore have found means to start revitalizing without selling out... but I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[Toni]

You know that people from nice, white neighborhoods specifically drive through poorer neighborhoods looking to score drugs, right?

Correct. Because they know that open drug dealing would not be acceptable in their own neighborhood.

Are you insinuating that no black people find open drug dealing in their neighborhood unacceptable?

Perhaps what he meant was that open drug dealing is unacceptable and will be addressed in White neighborhoods. Because it would.

 

[Oleg]

You know that people from nice, white neighborhoods specifically drive through poorer neighborhoods looking to score drugs, right?

Correct. Because they know that open drug dealing would not be acceptable in their own neighborhood.

Are you insinuating that no black people find open drug dealing in their neighborhood unacceptable?

Oh, I’m sure there are. But they’re outnumbered by those who don’t care. Otherwise, it wouldn’t happen.

 

[Oleg]

You know that people from nice, white neighborhoods specifically drive through poorer neighborhoods looking to score drugs, right?

Correct. Because they know that open drug dealing would not be acceptable in their own neighborhood.

You do realize you are reinforcing the point that poverty stimulates crime. For some reason, many people just don't grasp the concept that significant lack of resources not only produces incentives for illicit activity, it also provides geographical locations for those illicit activities because the societies throughout the ages have tended to devote more resources to protecting the middle and upper income classes.

Either you care about your neighborhood or you don’t.

 

[Oleg]

I highly recommend the well researched 4 part miniseries " America's War on Drugs". For a good historical background.

Oleg, derec, and other fascists won't like it....because it's accurate.

Fascist: a person who does not excuse crime in their neighborhood.

 

[Oleg]

And yet, these crime infested neighborhoods that scare people away get gentrified. Social phenomena are more complicated than this one thing over here or that one thing over there.

So when people who care about social order displace people who don't the neighborhood gets better? I'm shocked.

You can't say crime keeps business out of a neighborhood while businesses are coming to and gentrifying the same neighborhood.

Gentrification is the process where the previous population is pushed out.

 

[Oleg]

And when those displaced by gentrification move to affordable housing close to Oleg's neck of the woods, he'll say, that was such a decent neighborhood until those poor brown folks moved in. If only gentrification didn't price people out of a neighborhood but instead absorbed them.

Asians are the poorest population group in New York City. What would you guess is their crime offense rate?

 

[Oleg]

You know that people from nice, white neighborhoods specifically drive through poorer neighborhoods looking to score drugs, right?

Correct. Because they know that open drug dealing would not be acceptable in their own neighborhood.

Are you insinuating that no black people find open drug dealing in their neighborhood unacceptable?

Perhaps what he meant was that open drug dealing is unacceptable and will be addressed in White neighborhoods. Because it would.

People decide what is acceptable and in their neighborhood by what the accept.

 

[laughing dog]

Asians are the poorest population group in New York City. What would you guess is their crime offense rate?

Do you have data to support your claim?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I would be very surprised if you were correct here.

Surprised to find that a comparable per capita of white people as black are involved in the use and distribution of illegal drugs? I'm not surprised you're surprised.

Rates of Drug Use and Sales, by Race; Rates of Drug Related Criminal Justice Measures, by Race | The Hamilton Project

The Hamilton Project seeks to advance America's promise of opportunity, prosperity, and growth.

www.hamiltonproject.org

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Notably, not looking at what drugs. Much of that is going to be pot--which I doubt there would be a racial pattern to.

However, the police difference is to be expected:

No shit. I'm just sick of clowns banging on about how the reason more black people are getting tossed in jail is because its a black culture thing.

Notably, you didn't address my explanation of why we would expect such a difference.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I would be very surprised if you were correct here.

Surprised to find that a comparable per capita of white people as black are involved in the use and distribution of illegal drugs? I'm not surprised you're surprised.

Rates of Drug Use and Sales, by Race; Rates of Drug Related Criminal Justice Measures, by Race | The Hamilton Project

The Hamilton Project seeks to advance America's promise of opportunity, prosperity, and growth.

www.hamiltonproject.org

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However, the police difference is to be expected:

No shit. I'm just sick of clowns banging on about how the reason more black people are getting tossed in jail is because its a black culture thing.

Yeah, it's an education thing combined with preexisting problems.

Lots of white people buy and sell drugs but the ones I encounter use the internet. Very few of the white drug dealers I have met in my life have deep gang ties, and so there is very little violence or visibility in that supply chain. You don't need a gang leader or turf to buy drugs that way or to sell them.

White drug dealers as a result end up being independent, word of mouth folks who deal pretty exclusively with friends rather than "slinging" on the street where they would build up a criminal record and police observability.

Either through a failure of education or because of preexisting structures within the black community (probably both), many black people just don't have a good grasp on how to accomplish that. Indeed the difficulty of banking and finding jobs that pay at least well enough mask digital currency activities, there is probably a financial threshold that isn't accessible either.

As a result, black drug dealers are going to tend towards drop-outs lured by Thug Lyfe, and white drug dealers are going to be a mix of drop-outs and folks who are a mix of intelligent, bored, and chemically interested.

So, part of it is black culture, part of it is educational disparity, as far as arrests go.

It's just easier to bust someone who sells drugs publicly on a busy street, and this is why I see so many more black folks being tossed in jail.

A large portion of white people learn how to deal drugs at college and a large portion of black people learn how to deal drugs from not finishing highschool. That IS cultural, but caused by cultural systems created by white people who, for a very long time, sought to establish the trends of whites going to college and blacks going to prison.

You said it a lot better than I did, although I will add one point: The white dealers you are talking about are going to be more upscale. You want the cheapest drugs, you go to the street dealer.