Holy Crap - The Revolution is about to start

[thebeave]

On Saturday, FEMA workers had to halt their work in Rutherford County due to reports that National Guard troops saw “armed militia” threatening the workers, according to the Washington Post, which cited an email to federal agencies helping with the response, verified by unnamed federal officials. It’s not clear if the threat was credible. FEMA Pauses efforts due to threats

I can only imagine what is going to happen if Trump loses.

Speaking of FEMA (from yesterday on Snopes)...

FEMA Official Told Workers to Skip Homes With Pro-Trump Signs After Hurricane Milton

You seem to have tried to paint this as FEMA guidance, when it was an individual employee that did this and they were fired.

How do you figure?

The context of how you provided the info, both in introduction and the quotes. As "speaking of FEMA" would actually be them firing the person as that was the only act of FEMA involved in the situation. Instead, you provided the information as if FEMA was involved with the actual guidance.

All I did was provide the link and title verbatim from Snopes. There is no opinion from me in what I posted.

So gaslighting then.

You sure know how to read stuff that isn't there. Are you using those special Mormon "seer stones" to read my posts?

I thought the story was interesting, and figured the appropriate thread was this one, as it has to with FEMA and hurridane disaster victims. Certainly its not the exact same situation as the OP as the "bad guys" are reversed, but it is sort of a "variation on a theme". Which is why I said "Speaking of FEMA..." And I read the full article. Do you honestly I would be so dumb as to try and project a specific narrative with my choice of words, when the details of the situation are clearly spelled out in the article?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

On Saturday, FEMA workers had to halt their work in Rutherford County due to reports that National Guard troops saw “armed militia” threatening the workers, according to the Washington Post, which cited an email to federal agencies helping with the response, verified by unnamed federal officials. It’s not clear if the threat was credible. FEMA Pauses efforts due to threats

I can only imagine what is going to happen if Trump loses.

Speaking of FEMA (from yesterday on Snopes)...

FEMA Official Told Workers to Skip Homes With Pro-Trump Signs After Hurricane Milton

You seem to have tried to paint this as FEMA guidance, when it was an individual employee that did this and they were fired.

How do you figure?

The context of how you provided the info, both in introduction and the quotes. As "speaking of FEMA" would actually be them firing the person as that was the only act of FEMA involved in the situation. Instead, you provided the information as if FEMA was involved with the actual guidance.

All I did was provide the link and title verbatim from Snopes. There is no opinion from me in what I posted.

So gaslighting then.

You sure know how to read stuff that isn't there.

I could be wrong and you are just very bad as disseminating information.

It is quite possible you didn't even bother to read the whole thing.

 

[ZiprHead]

I don't know how you conclude it was a safety issue from that. Regardless, to paint with a broad brush and conclude Trump supporters are not to be helped because...they're dangerous and crazy?!...is pretty reckless, don't you think? How is that any different than saying avoid homes with Muslim residents, because "those people" like to kill others?

I agree it was probably stupid. But it's not like it wasn't a valid concern.

I just heard this morning of a woman canvassing for Harris and wearing Harris promotional attire. She knocked on a door and was immediately pepper sprayed and violently pushed of the steps and onto the ground.

There was a postal worker that was assaulted because she delivered a Harris flyer to a Trump supporter's mailbox.

A trump supporter harassed elderly Harris fans and threatened them with a machete.

A Trump supporter shot up a DNC office in Phoenix.

An armed Trump supporter threatened FEMA workers.

Ballot boxes in blue districts have been set on fire.

“Being aware of the potential for violence and damage to the institutions we rely upon is important,” retired Gen. Joseph Votel, an executive board member of the Center for Ethics and the Rule of Law at the University of Pennsylvania, said in a statement.

2024 election violence is already happening

How much worse could it get if Trump loses?

www.vox.com

 

[Gospel]

Perhaps Trump should consider designating his supporters as a protected class.

 

[Shadowy Man]

The FEMA worker who put this out was fired by FEMA, so I'm guessing this wasn't board approved instruction.

FEMA hardly knows the guy. Never met the guy. FEMA knows a lot of guys.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Perhaps Trump should consider designating his supporters as a protected class.

He can't... doesn't even know what that means.

 

[ZiprHead]

The FEMA worker who put this out was fired by FEMA, so I'm guessing this wasn't board approved instruction.

FEMA hardly knows the guy. Never met the guy. FEMA knows a lot of guys.

Coffee boy.

 

[TomC]

The FEMA worker who put this out was fired by FEMA, so I'm guessing this wasn't board approved instruction.

FEMA hardly knows the guy. Never met the guy. FEMA knows a lot of guys.

Out of curiosity,
About the same time a police chief publicly asked for the addresses of people with Harris signs in their yards, so he could cut off police protection.
Did he get fired?
Tom

 

[jonatha]

The FEMA worker who put this out was fired by FEMA, so I'm guessing this wasn't board approved instruction.

FEMA hardly knows the guy. Never met the guy. FEMA knows a lot of guys.

Out of curiosity,
About the same time a police chief publicly asked for the addresses of people with Harris signs in their yards, so he could cut off police protection.
Did he get fired?
Tom

That was a sheriff in Portage County Ohio, and he didn't threaten to cut off police protection, he just wanted to house immigrants in Harris supporters' homes. Sheriffs are typically elected and so can't be fired.

There was a sheriff's lieutenant in Springfield Ohio who said he would not help supporters of the Democratic Party "survive the end of days". He received a written reprimand.

 

[abaddon]

That was a sheriff in Portage County Ohio, and he didn't threaten to cut off police protection, he just wanted to house immigrants in Harris supporters' homes. Sheriffs are typically elected and so can't be fired.

And what happened to him is he got re-elected to continue being sheriff on Nov 5.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Was there a reason given or are we just to infer that it was Trump hate? Frankly sounds like poor journalism. They've got the who, what, when, and where. But they did not include the WHY.

I could definitely see saftey as a concern considering all the right wing lies and threats about FEMA that were going around.

ETA: After reading the article they did include this photo:

View attachment 48468

So it was a safety concern. Too bad the writer of the article never explored that aspect.

Sounds like fear at work. They didn't want to say why but included the screenshot as proof and let people figure it out.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I don't know how you conclude it was a safety issue from that. Regardless, to paint with a broad brush and conclude Trump supporters are not to be helped because...they're dangerous and crazy?!...is pretty reckless, don't you think? How is that any different than saying avoid homes with Muslim residents, because "those people" like to kill others?

Because it's embedded in a list of safety stuff, right next to deescalation. Given that we had actual attacks by Republicans on FEMA workers it's not unreasonable advice other than because of the political situation.

 

[Emily Lake]

I don't know how you conclude it was a safety issue from that. Regardless, to paint with a broad brush and conclude Trump supporters are not to be helped because...they're dangerous and crazy?!...is pretty reckless, don't you think? How is that any different than saying avoid homes with Muslim residents, because "those people" like to kill others?

Because it's embedded in a list of safety stuff, right next to deescalation. Given that we had actual attacks by Republicans on FEMA workers it's not unreasonable advice other than because of the political situation.

This is a stupid fucking reason to avoid providing help to those in need... because some other people who support the same fucking politician did something bad somewhere else? You think it's reasonable to extend that to everyone, and take the position that ALL trump supporters are a danger?

How do you feel about illegal immigrants, given that some of them have committed heinous violent crimes?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I don't know how you conclude it was a safety issue from that. Regardless, to paint with a broad brush and conclude Trump supporters are not to be helped because...they're dangerous and crazy?!...is pretty reckless, don't you think? How is that any different than saying avoid homes with Muslim residents, because "those people" like to kill others?

Because it's embedded in a list of safety stuff, right next to deescalation. Given that we had actual attacks by Republicans on FEMA workers it's not unreasonable advice other than because of the political situation.

This is a stupid fucking reason to avoid providing help to those in need... because some other people who support the same fucking politician did something bad somewhere else? You think it's reasonable to extend that to everyone, and take the position that ALL trump supporters are a danger?

How do you feel about illegal immigrants, given that some of them have committed heinous violent crimes?

Once bitten, twice shy. The MAGA crowd has been spreading enough lies about FEMA that there is a risk. Certainly a lot more risk than your fear of penises in the women's room.

 

[Emily Lake]

I don't know how you conclude it was a safety issue from that. Regardless, to paint with a broad brush and conclude Trump supporters are not to be helped because...they're dangerous and crazy?!...is pretty reckless, don't you think? How is that any different than saying avoid homes with Muslim residents, because "those people" like to kill others?

Because it's embedded in a list of safety stuff, right next to deescalation. Given that we had actual attacks by Republicans on FEMA workers it's not unreasonable advice other than because of the political situation.

This is a stupid fucking reason to avoid providing help to those in need... because some other people who support the same fucking politician did something bad somewhere else? You think it's reasonable to extend that to everyone, and take the position that ALL trump supporters are a danger?

How do you feel about illegal immigrants, given that some of them have committed heinous violent crimes?

Once bitten, twice shy. The MAGA crowd has been spreading enough lies about FEMA that there is a risk. Certainly a lot more risk than your fear of penises in the women's room.

Sure sure, because 90% of assault victims are Dems and 98% of assault perpetrators are Trump supporters?

Seriously, do you even consider the consistency of your arguments? There have been far more people raped/murdered/robbed/etc by illegal immigrants than there have been FEMA workers harmed by Trump supporters. By your logic, it's therefore absolutely justifiable to take the stance that all illegal immigrants are a huge risk and nobody should ever help them, in fact, they should be avoided at all costs!

 

[Elixir]

How do you feel about illegal immigrants, given that some of them have committed heinous violent crimes?

A little better than I feel about American citizens, who commit far more heinous crimes, and at a higher rate.
(sorry for intruding, carry on... )

 

[Emily Lake]

How do you feel about illegal immigrants, given that some of them have committed heinous violent crimes?

A little better than I feel about American citizens, who commit far more heinous crimes, and at a higher rate.
(sorry for intruding, carry on... )

Just for clarity, you get that I'm not actually making that argument, right? I'm using it as a vehicle to highlight the illogic of Loren's position.

I tend to have a severe objection to criminals across the board. I also think that if those criminals are not US citizens, we should evict them from the country altogether.

I also think we should evict ALL illegal immigrants regardless of whether they committed any crimes or not. Come in through legal channels, I'll support you. Break the rules and you're out.

 

[Elixir]

Just for clarity, you get that I'm not actually making that argument, right? I'm using it as a vehicle to highlight the illogic of Loren's position.

Okay, then. I do wonder why you chose such an old beater of a vehicle though.

we should evict ALL illegal immigrants regardless of whether they committed any crimes or not. Come in through legal channels, I'll support you. Break the rules and you're out.

I agree, and my understanding is that so does the Biden administration. Am I mistaken?

 

[Emily Lake]

Just for clarity, you get that I'm not actually making that argument, right? I'm using it as a vehicle to highlight the illogic of Loren's position.

Okay, then. I do wonder why you chose such an old beater of a vehicle though.

Because it's a topic that has come up in other threads, where Loren has taken a position directly in contradiction of what he does here on this topic. It directly addresses a hypocritical argument. Which I thought was pretty obvious.

we should evict ALL illegal immigrants regardless of whether they committed any crimes or not. Come in through legal channels, I'll support you. Break the rules and you're out.

I agree, and my understanding is that so does the Biden administration. Am I mistaken?

If so, he's done a pretty shit job at enforcing those rules or taking action on them. Pretty much all politicians are dog shit about this.

 

[Elixir]

we should evict ALL illegal immigrants regardless of whether they committed any crimes or not. Come in through legal channels, I'll support you. Break the rules and you're out.

I agree, and my understanding is that so does the Biden administration. Am I mistaken?

If so, he's done a pretty shit job at enforcing those rules or taking action on them. Pretty much all politicians are dog shit about this.

Many/most who have stood in Biden's way throughout his term were Trumpsuckers. What a disingenuous lot.
I think the bipartisan bill that Trump panic-cancelled would have moved the needle significantly, but Cheato needed to preserve the problem to serve his personal political agenda, and the obsequious weenies in Congress bent over for him.