How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[Harry Bosch]

Tojo, Hitler, Mussolini failed.

Genocidal maniacs from Europe. Same as Borrel, Ursula and that 360 degrees lady.
And Elensky of course.
This war is remarkable in how little civilian losses Russian Army inflicts on Ukraine.
Normally it's civilians who die in larger numbers. That's how US conducted all their wars.
Here we have 150 missiles strike all over Ukraine - half a dozen of people died.
Compare to campaign of terrorism of Ukro-Regime in Eastern Ukraine and now in border regions in Russia itself.
Random shelling of civilians, that's all what regime is Kiev can still do.

Remarkedly little? How do you define remarkable? According to the UN, the war that Utin started has killed more than 10,852 civilians. Millions have been displaced. The Ukrainians will hate Russians for generations after this war is over.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Time is on Ukraine's side. Russia is using up its stockpiles of equipment. Tanks, and armored vehicles. Russia has about 2 - 3 years of reserves left. Rssia cannot replace their losses fast enough once its old tanks are sloppily refurbished and destroyed in battle. Its artillery tubes are wearing out fast. and some are being destroyed by North Korean shells that explode when fired. Aircraft loses are not being replaced by new aircraft. Russia's most advanced aircraft, SU-57's numbered about a dozen at the start of Pootie's war. Russia has been steadily losing these. lately destroyed on the ground by Ukrainian missiles and drones. Russia's navy is being steadily destroyed when deployed against Ukraine. Human loses are huge for Russia thanks to Russia's inability to train, arm and supply its wretched conscripts. Human wave attacks achieve little at huge costs. Ukraine is now manufacturing many of its own drones in large numbers. And Ukrainian munitions factories are being built as we speak. Anti-Russian partisans are daily destroying Russian railroads hampering logistics. Russia's monetary reserves are running out, and oil facilities are being destroyed by Ukrainian drones almost on a weekly basis. If Ukraine can last three more years, Russia's war will grind to a halt. The mighty Armata 14 tanks are nowhere to be seen at the front. Russia is in Wile E. Coyote mode, and is falling off of the high cliff of reality.

Delusion is strong in this one.

Time is on Ukraine's side. Mostly because they have no choice but to continuing defending. Their backs are against the wall. They can't retreat from their own country.

 

[Harry Bosch]

You better hope China doesn’t stab you in the back,

Are you suggesting Russia to join NATO for protection from China?

If you’d get your shit together, kick out Putin, become a true democracy, then, yes.

Why not? The world needs to find a way to stop war. The UN (ie getting people to at least talk) hasn't worked. Promises of mutual gain and economic partnership hasn't worked. Putin doesn't care if he ruins his country. Most wars start because a larger country wants to bully and conquer a smaller country. The only way to stop this is set up alliances. Democracies rarely attack each other. Democracies very very rarely attack each other.

 

[steve_bank]

In the news a large number of drones attacked Moscow, Russia said all were intercepted but one caused a fire near Moscow.

Air raid sirens in Moscow, I bet Putin did not see that one coming when he invaded Ukraine. If peole had a right in Russia to openly protest the war there would be opposition to Putin's misadventure.

In Israel where people do have rights there are growing poetess over the Gaza war and demands Netanyahu step down.

Ukraine launches more than 150 drones toward Moscow and border regions, Russia says

Russia downed 158 Ukrainian drones targeting Moscow and surrounding areas as well as the Belgorod and Kursk border regions overnight, the defence ministry said on Sunday. Amid ongoing fighting in east…

www.france24.com

Summary:

Russia said that it had thwarted a "massive" Ukrainian drone attack by downing 158 drones across 15 regions, including two over the capital Moscow. Its defence ministry said most of the drones – 122 – were downed over the regions of Kursk, Bryansk, Voronezh and Belgorod, which border Ukraine. A coal-fired power plant near the city was reported hit, as was an oil refinery within the city boundaries.

 

[Henry-Finland]

Remember this:

"...which is that Russia's one of Russia's greatest invisible weapons that the West just does not understand that can be used as a weapon is division.
Russia is paying anybody, any organisation, any union in the west or individual in the west, who agrees to divide the West.
These people or organisations don't need to have anything in common with Russia they don't need to be pro-Russia they just need to create division and conflict in the west."

I published this a few days ago.

 

[Henry-Finland]

In the news a large number of drones attacked Moscow, Russia said all were intercepted but one caused a fire near Moscow.

Air raid sirens in Moscow, I bet Putin did not see that one coming when he invaded Ukraine. If peole had a right in Russia to openly protest the war there would be opposition to Putin's misadventure.

In Israel where people do have rights there are growing poetess over the Gaza war and demands Netanyahu step down.

Ukraine launches more than 150 drones toward Moscow and border regions, Russia says

Russia downed 158 Ukrainian drones targeting Moscow and surrounding areas as well as the Belgorod and Kursk border regions overnight, the defence ministry said on Sunday. Amid ongoing fighting in east…

www.france24.com

Summary:

Russia said that it had thwarted a "massive" Ukrainian drone attack by downing 158 drones across 15 regions, including two over the capital Moscow. Its defence ministry said most of the drones – 122 – were downed over the regions of Kursk, Bryansk, Voronezh and Belgorod, which border Ukraine. A coal-fired power plant near the city was reported hit, as was an oil refinery within the city boundaries.

Here - one of the first reports:

Moscow gets Malleted -- Multiple Oil Facilities and Power Plants Hit by Drones Around the Capital​

 

[barbos]

Tojo, Hitler, Mussolini failed.

Genocidal maniacs from Europe. Same as Borrel, Ursula and that 360 degrees lady.
And Elensky of course.
This war is remarkable in how little civilian losses Russian Army inflicts on Ukraine.
Normally it's civilians who die in larger numbers. That's how US conducted all their wars.
Here we have 150 missiles strike all over Ukraine - half a dozen of people died.
Compare to campaign of terrorism of Ukro-Regime in Eastern Ukraine and now in border regions in Russia itself.
Random shelling of civilians, that's all what regime is Kiev can still do.

Remarkedly little? How do you define remarkable? According to the UN, the war that Utin started has killed more than 10,852 civilians. Millions have been displaced. The Ukrainians will hate Russians for generations after this war is over.

Israel surpassed that number in couple of weeks or so.
And keep in mind that Ukrainian millitary losses (dead and severely wounded) are in the range of half a million.

 

[barbos]

Time is on Ukraine's side. Russia is using up its stockpiles of equipment. Tanks, and armored vehicles. Russia has about 2 - 3 years of reserves left. Rssia cannot replace their losses fast enough once its old tanks are sloppily refurbished and destroyed in battle. Its artillery tubes are wearing out fast. and some are being destroyed by North Korean shells that explode when fired. Aircraft loses are not being replaced by new aircraft. Russia's most advanced aircraft, SU-57's numbered about a dozen at the start of Pootie's war. Russia has been steadily losing these. lately destroyed on the ground by Ukrainian missiles and drones. Russia's navy is being steadily destroyed when deployed against Ukraine. Human loses are huge for Russia thanks to Russia's inability to train, arm and supply its wretched conscripts. Human wave attacks achieve little at huge costs. Ukraine is now manufacturing many of its own drones in large numbers. And Ukrainian munitions factories are being built as we speak. Anti-Russian partisans are daily destroying Russian railroads hampering logistics. Russia's monetary reserves are running out, and oil facilities are being destroyed by Ukrainian drones almost on a weekly basis. If Ukraine can last three more years, Russia's war will grind to a halt. The mighty Armata 14 tanks are nowhere to be seen at the front. Russia is in Wile E. Coyote mode, and is falling off of the high cliff of reality.

Delusion is strong in this one.

Time is on Ukraine's side. Mostly because they have no choice but to continuing defending. Their backs are against the wall. They can't retreat from their own country.

What a load of BS. First of all, one has no relations to the other and second you are wrong on both counts. Time is not on the side of the the side with lower population in the attrition war. Third, it's Russia's back against the wall. It's the west who started this war in order to destroy Russia.

 

[steve_bank]

Remember this:

"...which is that Russia's one of Russia's greatest invisible weapons that the West just does not understand that can be used as a weapon is division.
Russia is paying anybody, any organisation, any union in the west or individual in the west, who agrees to divide the West.
These people or organisations don't need to have anything in common with Russia they don't need to be pro-Russia they just need to create division and conflict in the west."

I published this a few days ago.

We hear this routinely in security reports from the government, both Russia and China.
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A ways back there was somebody posting who looked a lot like a Chinese troll.

No one seems to agree with me, Barbos I suspect is part of a formal or informal Russian group. Like the Chinese troll Barbos comes back with what looks like scripted responses.

His posts in general in various wordings come down to

1. NATO is an enemy out to destroy Russia.
2. NATO is weak.
3. Europe is weak.
4. It is not Russia making war it is NATO.
5. The west is not really democratic.

This is Putin's typical rhetoric going back 20 years. Preceded by the Soviet propaganda. The west s rspnsible for Russian opossums, not the Soviet system.

From reportng and bios on Putin at the start iof the war. Putin was a KGB operative in East Germany, he married an East German.

When East Germany collapsed he went around asking Soviet military for assistance and was ignored. When he came to power he said the fall of the Soviet Union was the greatest tragedy of the last century.

He carries a grudge against the west, hence his virulent anti west rhetoric and his obsession to take Ukraine.

In American terms, he is 'Looney Tunes'

looney tunes theme - Google Search

 

[barbos]

Because despite being 10x bigger than Ukraine, you’ve been stuck along the same line for two years and haven’t moved worth a shit.

Why do repeat the same shit which has been answered a million times?

So you’ve conquered Ukraine then? The war is over?

Here’s where you are today, nor much different than where you were after the Ukrainian counter offensive cleared Kherson about two years ago.

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In the last 6 months, this is your biggest gain:

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About 100 square kilometers. If you can sustain such an offensive operation indefinitely it will take decades before you reach Kiev.

It’s actually less than what Ukraine has taken in Kursk in a few weeks:

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In conclusion, your army sucks.

In conclusion, your understanding of military strategy sucks:

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

The problems for Russia are going to get worse. They are about to be faced with bad terrain. Lots of small rivers and flat ground with lots of mud and soft soil. An attacker's nightmare. Roads guarded by mines, artillery and drones. Not good ground for tanks. Killing fields for infantry. Logistics will be a nightmare for Russia. Battling an in depth defense will be murderous for poorly armed and trained Russian Mobiks. Russian aircraft will be decimated by Ukrainians air defenses. Towed artillery will be unable to play the mass artillery barrages or shoot and scoot in bad terrain. Not many hills to use for cover. when Russia is down to its last stored tanks and armored vehicles, the infantry will be dead meat. The Kerch Bridge's days are numbered. Winter is coming and the Russians will soon be freezing to death as usual. Putin has got on the tiger's back and getting off is not going to be easy. As is, the Russian military cannot even adequately feed its troop as is. When Russia's wretched Mobiks start surrendering en mass rather than be blown up or starve to death or freeze to death, Putin is going to have a hard time staying in power. The Russian military's worst days are still ahead of it. Fall mud season is about to start. Life is about to get hard at the Russian front lines. And with Ukraine now beginning to manufacture its own long range cruise missiles, life in Russia itself is about to get harder also.

 

[barbos]

The problems for Russia are going to get worse. They are about to be faced with bad terrain. Lots of small rivers and flat ground with lots of mud and soft soil. An attacker's nightmare. Roads guarded by mines,

Another "genius" post, at least you admit that Ukro-Reich defence is crumbling.
As for the rest, your post is utter nonsense. If there is one thing that this war can teach us is that in this war only population centers can be used as any kind of defense.

 

[steve_bank]

You are siting down to a nice hot bowl of borscht soup in Moscow and then those air raid sirens go off.

Don't you just hate it when that happens? Its enough to spoil your appetite.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

The failed attack on Kyiv taught you nothing? The only gains Russia has had since that fiasco is a few small cities and towns that cost large losses for the Russian Mobiks. Rasputitsa season is about to start. This will stop all real movements en mass. All the Mobiks will be able to do is wait for the drones to come and destroy them. While they starve and wait for a cruel winter to freeze them to death while they hide from the Ukrainian drones. The sea of Ukrainian mud will cause the already poor Russian logistics to grind to a near halt at the front.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

The failed attack on Kyiv taught you nothing? The only gains Russia has had since that fiasco is a few small cities and towns that cost large losses for the Russian Mobiks. Rasputitsa season is about to start. This will stop all real movements en mass. All the Mobiks will be able to do is wait for the drones to come and destroy them. While they starve and wait for a cruel winter to freeze them to death while they hide from the Ukrainian drones. The sea of Ukrainian mud will cause the already poor Russian logistics to grind to a near halt at the front.

Russian Hitler is able to act in Ukraine because we in the west are still afraid of his empty threats. He's bombing the fucking piss out of Ukraine. We should have no fear about helping Ukraine bomb the fucking piss out of him. Helping Ukraine is the only thing that is going to stop this war as Russian Hitler will wise up to the fact that he's not going to prevail and the west no longer gives a fucking shit about his empty threats. When he makes that realization the war will end and Ukraine will be free. We just have to stop taking the propaganda seriously.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Time is on Ukraine's side. Russia is using up its stockpiles of equipment. Tanks, and armored vehicles. Russia has about 2 - 3 years of reserves left. Rssia cannot replace their losses fast enough once its old tanks are sloppily refurbished and destroyed in battle. Its artillery tubes are wearing out fast. and some are being destroyed by North Korean shells that explode when fired. Aircraft loses are not being replaced by new aircraft. Russia's most advanced aircraft, SU-57's numbered about a dozen at the start of Pootie's war. Russia has been steadily losing these. lately destroyed on the ground by Ukrainian missiles and drones. Russia's navy is being steadily destroyed when deployed against Ukraine. Human loses are huge for Russia thanks to Russia's inability to train, arm and supply its wretched conscripts. Human wave attacks achieve little at huge costs. Ukraine is now manufacturing many of its own drones in large numbers. And Ukrainian munitions factories are being built as we speak. Anti-Russian partisans are daily destroying Russian railroads hampering logistics. Russia's monetary reserves are running out, and oil facilities are being destroyed by Ukrainian drones almost on a weekly basis. If Ukraine can last three more years, Russia's war will grind to a halt. The mighty Armata 14 tanks are nowhere to be seen at the front. Russia is in Wile E. Coyote mode, and is falling off of the high cliff of reality.

Delusion is strong in this one.

Time is on Ukraine's side. Mostly because they have no choice but to continuing defending. Their backs are against the wall. They can't retreat from their own country.

Technically Ukraine occupies most of Ukraine. So in the war for Ukraine, they be winning.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Time is on Ukraine's side. Russia is using up its stockpiles of equipment. Tanks, and armored vehicles. Russia has about 2 - 3 years of reserves left. Rssia cannot replace their losses fast enough once its old tanks are sloppily refurbished and destroyed in battle. Its artillery tubes are wearing out fast. and some are being destroyed by North Korean shells that explode when fired. Aircraft loses are not being replaced by new aircraft. Russia's most advanced aircraft, SU-57's numbered about a dozen at the start of Pootie's war. Russia has been steadily losing these. lately destroyed on the ground by Ukrainian missiles and drones. Russia's navy is being steadily destroyed when deployed against Ukraine. Human loses are huge for Russia thanks to Russia's inability to train, arm and supply its wretched conscripts. Human wave attacks achieve little at huge costs. Ukraine is now manufacturing many of its own drones in large numbers. And Ukrainian munitions factories are being built as we speak. Anti-Russian partisans are daily destroying Russian railroads hampering logistics. Russia's monetary reserves are running out, and oil facilities are being destroyed by Ukrainian drones almost on a weekly basis. If Ukraine can last three more years, Russia's war will grind to a halt. The mighty Armata 14 tanks are nowhere to be seen at the front. Russia is in Wile E. Coyote mode, and is falling off of the high cliff of reality.

Delusion is strong in this one.

Time is on Ukraine's side. Mostly because they have no choice but to continuing defending. Their backs are against the wall. They can't retreat from their own country.

What a load of BS. First of all, one has no relations to the other and second you are wrong on both counts. Time is not on the side of the the side with lower population in the attrition war. Third, it's Russia's back against the wall. It's the west who started this war in order to destroy Russia.

What in the world do you think Russia has that is worth destroying?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Barbos, aka Boris Badenov secret Russian agent.

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Natasha: Moose and squirrel now control the Kursk region. Fearless leader will not be pleased.
Boris: No worries, we just change map of nation so that border no longer includes Kursk region, we never lost a thing.
Natasha: Won't people notice?
Boris: Russians believe what they are told to believe.

 

[Henry-Finland]

The problems for Russia are going to get worse. They are about to be faced with bad terrain. Lots of small rivers and flat ground with lots of mud and soft soil. An attacker's nightmare. Roads guarded by mines, artillery and drones. Not good ground for tanks. Killing fields for infantry. Logistics will be a nightmare for Russia. Battling an in depth defense will be murderous for poorly armed and trained Russian Mobiks. Russian aircraft will be decimated by Ukrainians air defenses. Towed artillery will be unable to play the mass artillery barrages or shoot and scoot in bad terrain. Not many hills to use for cover. when Russia is down to its last stored tanks and armored vehicles, the infantry will be dead meat. The Kerch Bridge's days are numbered. Winter is coming and the Russians will soon be freezing to death as usual. Putin has got on the tiger's back and getting off is not going to be easy. As is, the Russian military cannot even adequately feed its troop as is. When Russia's wretched Mobiks start surrendering en mass rather than be blown up or starve to death or freeze to death, Putin is going to have a hard time staying in power. The Russian military's worst days are still ahead of it. Fall mud season is about to start. Life is about to get hard at the Russian front lines. And with Ukraine now beginning to manufacture its own long range cruise missiles, life in Russia itself is about to get harder also.

Absolutely like this. And the Russian navy continues to lurk in some Russian ports.
The bad thing for Russians is that all the refinery tech is built with western help and standards. When a refinery is burnt down, it is gone. Also the big tanks for storing oil products - Russia has always had a shortage of those. And those are not just big metal cisterns - they have a lot of tech in them depending on the type of liquid that is stored in them. It takes years to build new ones and some days to burn them down again.
Russia has problems with ports and LNGs.
Shortly, Putin will fall during next winter.

It is true that Russia is very rich in natural resources. The problem is that someone has to dig those resources up from the ground and there has to be a way to transport those natural riches. Putin could begin to study how other countries does it, that has the same problems - like Kongo in Africa. This is because lots of Russian intelligentsia is already abroad or in jail and soon the rest will leave.
Maybe barbos can help Putin - he invents everything just on the fly.
Good luck with that.

 

[Tigers!]

You are siting down to a nice hot bowl of borscht soup in Moscow and then those air raid sirens go off.

Don't you just hate it when that happens? Its enough to spoil your appetite.

Reminds me of the time that Molotov was in Berlin to see Hitler (Nov. 1940) and they had to retire to an air raid shelter as the supposedly beaten British were bombing Berlin.