How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[steve_bank]

Yo9u said 'always getting arrested' not harassed.

Yes, arrested, they have laws for that.

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tass.ru

English translation:

VILNIUS, October 16. /TASS/. Lithuanian police detained four people in Vilnius for desecrating the Ukrainian flag on October 15. This was reported by the police department.

"Four people aged 25 to 43, including one woman, were detained while intoxicated for desecrating the national flag on Sunday before midnight," the statement said.

According to the police, in the city centre, those detained shoved a Ukrainian flag upside down into a trash can and spat on it.

Such actions are punishable by a fine, arrest or imprisonment for up to two years.

Thanks for the translation.

Over here as I expect in most countries that is called being drunk and disorderly and you can be fined or go to jail.


Except maybe Russia where everybody is drunk and disorderly.

Alcohol in Russia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Alcohol consumption in Russia remains among the highest in the world. According to a 2011 report by the World Health Organization, annual per capita consumption of alcohol in Russia was about 15.76 litres of pure alcohol, the fourth-highest volume in Europe.[1] It dropped to 11.7 litres in 2016,[2] dropping further to about 10.5 litres in 2019.[3] Another general trait of Russian alcohol consumption pattern was the high volume of spirits compared with other alcoholic drinks (such as beer or red wine).[4][5]



Russia currently implements a variety of anti-alcoholism measures (banning spirits and beer trade at night, raising taxes, banning the advertising of alcohol). According to medical officials, these policies have resulted in a considerable fall of alcohol consumption volumes, to 13.5 litres by 2013, with wine and beer overtaking spirits as the main source of beverage alcohol.[6] These levels are comparable with European Union averages. Alcohol producers claim that falling legal consumption is accompanied by growth in sales of illegally produced drink.[7]



High volumes of alcohol consumption have serious negative effects on Russia's social fabric and bring political, economic and public health ramifications. Alcoholism has been a problem throughout the country's history because drinking is a pervasive, socially acceptable behaviour in Russian society[4][5] and alcohol has also been a major source of government revenue for centuries. It has repeatedly been targeted as a major national problem,[8] with mixed results. Alcoholism in Russia has, according to some authors, acquired a character of a national disaster[9][10] and has the scale of a humanitarian catastrophe.[11]

 

[Henry-Finland]

Yo9u said 'always getting arrested' not harassed.

Yes, arrested, they have laws for that.

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tass.ru

English translation:

VILNIUS, October 16. /TASS/. Lithuanian police detained four people in Vilnius for desecrating the Ukrainian flag on October 15. This was reported by the police department.

"Four people aged 25 to 43, including one woman, were detained while intoxicated for desecrating the national flag on Sunday before midnight," the statement said.

According to the police, in the city centre, those detained shoved a Ukrainian flag upside down into a trash can and spat on it.

Such actions are punishable by a fine, arrest or imprisonment for up to two years.

Any civilized country would do the same.

 

[bilby]

The video looks homemade.

And your point is?
It's argentinian citizen who was refused entrance into Estonia on the basis that she was a student in russian university.
She was detained, lost money on the ticket to the bus and was kicked out back to Russia.
Estonian border officers were rude obnoxious and out of control.

Damn! You should attack them for such rudeness. Sounds like a good pretext for war.

If so, almost every nation on Earth has daily justification for war against almost every other nation.

Border officers refusing entry to foreign nationals is so routine as to be completely unremarkable, unless you are trying to propagandise to morons.

The only remaining question is whether the person remarking on such things is the source of such propaganda, or its victim.

 

[pood]

Border officers refusing entry to foreign nationals is so routine as to be completely unremarkable, unless you are trying to propagandise to morons.

The only remaining question is whether the person remarking on such things is the source of such propaganda, or its victim.

He’s trying to propagandize to morons, but came to the wrong place.

 

[Elixir]

Border officers refusing entry to foreign nationals is so routine as to be completely unremarkable, unless you are trying to propagandise to morons.

The only remaining question is whether the person remarking on such things is the source of such propaganda, or its victim.

He’s trying to propagandize to morons, but came to the wrong place.

It’s almost as if he is continuing to do the same thing over an over, expecting a different result. There’s a word for that but it escapes me right now.

 

[bilby]

Border officers refusing entry to foreign nationals is so routine as to be completely unremarkable, unless you are trying to propagandise to morons.

The only remaining question is whether the person remarking on such things is the source of such propaganda, or its victim.

He’s trying to propagandize to morons, but came to the wrong place.

It’s almost as if he is continuing to do the same thing over an over, expecting a different result. There’s a word for that but it escapes me right now.

"Russian"?

 

[pood]

Border officers refusing entry to foreign nationals is so routine as to be completely unremarkable, unless you are trying to propagandise to morons.

The only remaining question is whether the person remarking on such things is the source of such propaganda, or its victim.

He’s trying to propagandize to morons, but came to the wrong place.

It’s almost as if he is continuing to do the same thing over an over, expecting a different result. There’s a word for that but it escapes me right now.

"Russian"?

It’s a synonym for the other word he was grasping at.

 

[steve_bank]

I came up with a name for Putin, Raskputikov a take on the character Raskolnikov in Dostoevsky's Crime And Punishment.

Rodion Raskolnikov - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It is later revealed that he also commits the murder as justification for his pride, as he wants to prove that he is "exceptional" in the way Napoleon was.

That is Putin. Proving to himself he is a mighty conqueror.

 

[barbos]

The video looks homemade.

And your point is?
It's argentinian citizen who was refused entrance into Estonia on the basis that she was a student in russian university.
She was detained, lost money on the ticket to the bus and was kicked out back to Russia.
Estonian border officers were rude obnoxious and out of control.

Damn! You should attack them for such rudeness. Sounds like a good pretext for war.

That's not out plan. Our plan is to wait until they die/emigrate out.

 

[barbos]

People in the Baltic states and others like Poland remember the Soviet oppression and see what Putin is doing today.

They don't like Russia and Russians. That is why they joined NATO.

Poles don't like anybody. But it is true that they dislike russians (and ukrainians) slightly more than average.
You keep repeating Cold War garbage propaganda.

 

[barbos]

Over here as I expect in most countries that is called being drunk and disorderly and you can be fined or go to jail.

2 years for being drunk? That's a country I want to emigrate to. Except that's not what they are being charged for.
They are charged for trashing ukrainian (!!!!) flag.

Alcohol consumption in Russia remains among the highest in the world.

For fuck's sake, we have been over this many times. I hardly ever see drunk people.
And baltic states are way ahead in drinking department and what is weird is that their habits have not changed much from soviet times when people preferred hard liquor, whereas in Russia people switched to beer, especially younger generations.

 

[barbos]

Border officers refusing entry to foreign nationals is so routine as to be completely unremarkable, unless you are trying to propagandise to morons.

That's not what happened there. What happened there was deranged border officers losing control over the fact that an argentinian lives in Russia. And no, it's pretty rare to be refused without any reasonable reasons, especially when Visa is not required.

 

[barbos]

Russia Fines Man Who Dyed Hair in Ukraine Flag Colors - The Moscow Times

A Moscow resident who dyed his hair in the colors of the Ukrainian flag has been found guilty of "discrediting the army" and fined, court documents showed.

www.themoscowtimes.com

Fined for yellow and blue shoes: How Russian laws smother dissent

Since the invasion of Ukraine, the measures used to clamp down on Kremlin critics have swelled.

www.bbc.com

Whataboutism? I did not say that Russia was a standard for freedom of speech and expression.
You said that the West was. Last time I checked Baltic States were the West.

 

[steve_bank]

Russia is decaying. This has been known for a while. It is just a mater of time. Russia is not a healthy place to live. From reporting a major source of foreign labor is from North Korea, and they are not treated well.

There are also reports of nutrition issues. I don't know much about Central and South America, here in the USA and I assume Canada we have fresh fruits and vegetables throughout the yeaa.

I assume the same in the EU.

Putin has put Russia on the path to serious decline. He wages a senseless war instead of imploring food supplies.

Unlike Putin, the EU wold not use food as a e weapon.

EU sanctions
The EU has imposed sanctions on Russia that prohibit bilateral trade, including food imports. However, the EU has closed its ports to Russia's merchant fleet, but has made exceptions for vessels carrying food products.

In contrast to the EU Putin balked whet for a while putting people in some areas at risk of starvation.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/ATAG/2022/729368/EPRS_ATA(2022)729368_EN.pdf

Export volumes
In February 2024, Ukraine shipped 5.2 million metric tons of grain, oilseeds, and other farm products, which was a wartime record. However, Ukraine's overall exports for the 2023/24 marketing year are estimated to be 63.77 million metric tons, which is over 2 million metric tons below the previous two years.

Yes,Russia's population is declining, and the UN projects that thisdecline will continue. The population decline is due to a combination of factors, including:

• Low birth rate: Russia's fertility rate is currently 1.5 children per woman, which is well below the 2.1 rate needed to maintain population stability.
• High adult mortality: Russia is experiencing high adult mortality rates.
• Limited immigration: Russia's immigration has been increasingly limited. Brain drain: Russia is experiencing brain drain. War in Ukraine: The war in Ukraine has undermined potential sources of population growth

The UN projects that Russia's population will be 120 million in 50 years, which is a decline of about 17%. The Russian statistics agency Rosstat predicts that Russia's population could drop to 130 million by 2046.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-birth-rate-slides-lowest-quarter-century-2024-2024-09-10/

Putin is an incompetent dictator.

 

[SLD]

The video looks homemade.

And your point is?
It's argentinian citizen who was refused entrance into Estonia on the basis that she was a student in russian university.
She was detained, lost money on the ticket to the bus and was kicked out back to Russia.
Estonian border officers were rude obnoxious and out of control.

Damn! You should attack them for such rudeness. Sounds like a good pretext for war.

That's not out plan. Our plan is to wait until they die/emigrate out.

Russians are the ones dying. In droves. Your country is fucked up, dude.

 

[SLD]

Border officers refusing entry to foreign nationals is so routine as to be completely unremarkable, unless you are trying to propagandise to morons.

That's not what happened there. What happened there was deranged border officers losing control over the fact that an argentinian lives in Russia. And no, it's pretty rare to be refused without any reasonable reasons, especially when Visa is not required.

You should cross over the border. Like most smart Russians who’ve fled Putin and his stupid war.

In fact, go to Thailand. My son was just there. Told me it was full of Russians. Oddest thing he said.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Border officers refusing entry to foreign nationals is so routine as to be completely unremarkable, unless you are trying to propagandise to morons.

That's not what happened there. What happened there was deranged border officers losing control over the fact that an argentinian lives in Russia. And no, it's pretty rare to be refused without any reasonable reasons, especially when Visa is not required.

You should cross over the border. Like most smart Russians who’ve fled Putin and his stupid war.

In fact, go to Thailand. My son was just there. Told me it was full of Russians. Oddest thing he said.

Thailand approved an extradition cooperation agreement with Russia while they look to formalize a treaty. So Russians living there to avoid conscription will have that hanging over their heads.

 

[Elixir]

The voice of Putin on this forum is making it very clear that a Russian’s path to comfort is paved with obsequiousness and mindless repetition of counterfactual Putinist propaganda.
A good gig (for a Russian) if you can get it.

 

[steve_bank]

Tailwind from reporting went trough a political battle between pro democracy candidates and the ruling family.

What Thai dissents would go to Russia?

Thai court dissolves party that won election, accuses it of threatening nation's monarchy

A court in Thailand has ordered the dissolution of the progressive Move Forward Party, which won national elections in 2023, saying it violated the constitution by proposing an amendment of a law against defaming the country’s royal family.

www.pbs.org

BANGKOK (AP) — A court in Thailand on Wednesday ordered the dissolution of the progressive Move Forward Party, which finished first in last year’s general election, saying it violated the constitution by proposing an amendment of a law against defaming the country’s royal family.

The Constitutional Court said it voted unanimously to dissolve the party because its campaign proposal to amend the law amounted to an attempt to overthrow the nation’s constitutional monarchy.

The Move Forward Party was unable to form a government after topping the polls because members of the Senate, at that time a conservative military-appointed body, refused to endorse its candidate for prime minister.

Sounds like Putin's Russian politics.

Maybe we should be thankful our democratic republic worksd as well as it does.

 

[steve_bank]

The voice of Putin on this forum is making it very clear that a Russian’s path to comfort is paved with obsequiousness and mindless repetition of counterfactual Putinist propaganda.
A good gig (for a Russian) if you can get it.

It betas working in a coal mine. Barbos said he was teaching college but was forced out for some reason. Maybe he ended up in Siberia working at a natural gas plant.