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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?
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barbos
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No snarky reply to that? Why is that?
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Probably because it YET AGAIN isn't the proof you were asked for, but instead a pointless (and itself unproven) new claim, unrelated to the claim you were asked to prove.
if you can't string together a coherent set of claims, and provide solid evidence for these, then why wouldn't you expect people to just wander off? You're not only failing to make your case, you are also (and unforgivably) failing to even be entertaining while doing so.
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Are you sure about that?
Congress bans arms to Ukraine militia linked to neo-Nazis
A little-noticed provision in the 2,232-page government spending bill passed last week bans U.S. arms from going to a controversial ultranationalist militia in Ukraine that has openly accepted neo-Nazis into its ranks.
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How does that prove, or even have a shred of relevance to, the claim:Are you sure about that?
Congress bans arms to Ukraine militia linked to neo-Nazis
A little-noticed provision in the 2,232-page government spending bill passed last week bans U.S. arms from going to a controversial ultranationalist militia in Ukraine that has openly accepted neo-Nazis into its ranks.khanna.house.gov
"these people have been busy renaming streets, giving titles to nazis, inviting nazis to parliament since 2005"?
You have repeatedly demonstrated that you can't string together a coherent set of claims, and provide solid evidence for these. I am probably going off in search of some less tedious pointless ramblings, if you persist in failing to even be entertaining.
barbos
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You honestly believe that nazis were not doing that?
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You have repeatedly demonstrated inability to acknowledge losing.
I have always provided undeniable proof for all the claims.
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zorq
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Lol. Your link suggests that no streets were named after nazis.
barbos
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You've checked all of them?
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How many things in Ukraine are named after Stepan Bandera?
Answer (1 of 6): Several dozen streets are named after him, including a fairly big and important avenue in Kiev. As far as I know, this is it. The thing is, Bandera was fairly marginalized in most of Ukraine until maybe early 2000s, by which time most things were already renamed from their Sovie...
zorq
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Why don't you pick out a good link for me instead of asking me to read the entire internet? Eh? Or is your repressive and oppressive government watching the links you visit and you are afraid you will get "disappeared" for accidentally reading the wrong thing?
Listen, Barbos. I have told you before that it isn't surprising that Ukraine wnts to honor men and women who worked hard to liberate their homeland from oppressive imperialist invaders. Ukraine just has a small problem in that it was invaded by two distinct invaders at the same time. But it had the perhaps the more oppressive and repugnant invader win and subject them to generations of humiliation, trauma, and poverty. ( I am not even sure that jews under Stalin fared all that much better than the jews in nazi Germany.) Russia is rightfully hated by Ukranians who understand this history and humans are tribal and emotional creatures who will often attach themselves to ideas or dogmas that help them understand the world even if those ideas are bad, like naziism.
But that is irrelevant. Nobody in this thread has denied that there are neo-nazis all over the place. I imagine if you tried you could find them in every European and American country including (obviously) Ukraine and Russia. But your insistance that these fascist white supremecist sympathysers are dominant forces in Ukraine (or Canada) is stupidly wrong and completely unsupported.
Listen, Barbos. I have told you before that it isn't surprising that Ukraine wnts to honor men and women who worked hard to liberate their homeland from oppressive imperialist invaders. Ukraine just has a small problem in that it was invaded by two distinct invaders at the same time. But it had the perhaps the more oppressive and repugnant invader win and subject them to generations of humiliation, trauma, and poverty. ( I am not even sure that jews under Stalin fared all that much better than the jews in nazi Germany.) Russia is rightfully hated by Ukranians who understand this history and humans are tribal and emotional creatures who will often attach themselves to ideas or dogmas that help them understand the world even if those ideas are bad, like naziism.
But that is irrelevant. Nobody in this thread has denied that there are neo-nazis all over the place. I imagine if you tried you could find them in every European and American country including (obviously) Ukraine and Russia. But your insistance that these fascist white supremecist sympathysers are dominant forces in Ukraine (or Canada) is stupidly wrong and completely unsupported.
zorq
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A link to quora? That's the best you got? So instead of your unsupported word, you want us to trust the unsupported word of other random internet nobodies?How many things in Ukraine are named after Stepan Bandera?
Answer (1 of 6): Several dozen streets are named after him, including a fairly big and important avenue in Kiev. As far as I know, this is it. The thing is, Bandera was fairly marginalized in most of Ukraine until maybe early 2000s, by which time most things were already renamed from their Sovie...www.quora.com
Besides, Bandera wasn't actually even a full fledged nazi. He was just helping the nazis fight ukraine's other repressive imperialist invader.
Some Ukranians regard him as a warrior for Ukranian independance, and he was. They want to celebrate that and they may even if it is complicated. But that still doesn't make Ukraine a nazi country. Do the math. If Ukraine was a Nazi country you would be able to point to something far more damning than a street name. But you can't.
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They gotta at least go for a discharge petition to get it to the floor. Johnson can’t bring it up or his boss will have a hissy fit.
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Another little Russian Whoopsy.
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A Moscow factory that manufactures MiG fighters is on fire, the telegram channel Baza reported on Feb. 13.
The factory is located on Leningradsky Avenue. Preliminary data suggests that the fire started in a workshop under reconstruction, attached to the operational building of the plant.
The fire has affected the second and third floors of the building, covering an area of 70 square meters. The cause of the fire is still unknown.
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A Moscow factory that manufactures MiG fighters is on fire, the telegram channel Baza reported on Feb. 13.
The factory is located on Leningradsky Avenue. Preliminary data suggests that the fire started in a workshop under reconstruction, attached to the operational building of the plant.
The fire has affected the second and third floors of the building, covering an area of 70 square meters. The cause of the fire is still unknown.
Moscow MiG fighter factory ablaze, social media report
A Moscow factory that manufactures MiG fighters is on fire, the telegram channel Baza reported on Feb. 13.
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