How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

Yanko was legally impeached by Ukraine

Nope, he was not legally impeached.

Of course the US meddles in Ukraine

If you mean organizing violent nazi revolt meddling than yes.

As do the Russians.

No, we don't meddle, especially in US, especially organizing violent coup.

He was impeached by their congress by a vote of 232 to 0!

It does not give you a pause? 232 to 0? really?
He was not impeached. They did not have quorum, that's first.
Second, parliament members were beaten and threaten with death if they don't vote they way Nuland's Nazi wanted.
That's how you get 232 to zero (!!!)

He also had more than 100 peaceful protestors killed.

Stop propagating absolute lies. We now know that he had absolutely nothing to do with killings.
Don't believe me? Then tell me why newly minted Nazi Regime refused to investigate these killings?

 

[Elixir]

Do you understand why this scenario is not very appealing to the Ukrainians?

It’s not unappealing to Modi. It would keep Pootey happily preoccupied with his new toy for several years.

 

[barbos]

? And you want Ukraine to be defenseless?

No. I want the war to end with mutually agreed terms between Russia and Ukraine (meaning not the terms that NATO may have in mind).

Russia has laid out their terms: give up land, give up arms, give up future alliances, give up autonomy, give up nazis (how does a country give up people that don't exist?); pay back reparations. Sure, this will stop the hostilities now. But then once Russia rebuilds, it will invade and take the rest of Ukraine. Then the gulags will come. Do you understand why this scenario is not very appealing to the Ukrainians?

These terms are very appealing to people in these regions. they want to be in Russia and they voted to be in Russia.
As for the rest which might find that unappealing, how about you get to be alive and live on what's left of Ukraine?
Still unappealing? then prepare to die you fucking nazi piece of shit!

Do you know how many people died during "occupation" events in Crimea? - One guy from a heart attack, and he was pro-russian obviously. Ask yourself how did that happen if ukrainians are so pro-ukrainian?
I will tell you how. When all that happened, ukro-nazi were bussing their "soldiers" in all these pro-russian regions, including Crimea. So the first of the busses with licence plates from nazi part of Ukraine was stopped in Crimea and they were given choice do go back and never return, or be shot right there. So they returned and never bothered to come back, that's why only one guy died in these events.

 

[Elixir]

They should distribute them all around India, so that one hit does not destroy everything.

No worries-
They have enough nukes to “destroy everything” several times over, even if only a fifth of them actually work.

 

[Harry Bosch]

? And you want Ukraine to be defenseless?

No. I want the war to end with mutually agreed terms between Russia and Ukraine (meaning not the terms that NATO may have in mind).

Russia has laid out their terms: give up land, give up arms, give up future alliances, give up autonomy, give up nazis (how does a country give up people that don't exist?); pay back reparations. Sure, this will stop the hostilities now. But then once Russia rebuilds, it will invade and take the rest of Ukraine. Then the gulags will come. Do you understand why this scenario is not very appealing to the Ukrainians?

Aupmanyav: hypo question to you: if Pakistan invaded a portion of India, took it over, and demanded "terms" to end the conflict, do you think India would accept similar terms if offered from Pakistan?

 

[barbos]

Aupmanyav: hypo question to you: if Pakistan invaded a portion of India, took it over, and demanded "terms" to end the conflict, do you think India would accept similar terms if offered from Pakistan?

Eastern Ukraine voted to leave Ukraine after 8 years of NATO sponsored terror by nazi Regime in Kiev.
They more than deserved the right to leave that shithole called "Independent" Ukraine.
The rest of Ukraine deserves to have the same referendum. The whole Ukraine should be split according to results of individual oblast based referendums. I am being politically generous here cause I don't think independent Ukraine should exist at all. Ukraine ia a mistake Lenin made.

 

[ZiprHead]

I know of no Russians that have been killed prior to 2014.

Yes, until Nuland came along and ordered her nazis to start killing russians.

And then and only then, russians said "We want out of this shithole called Ukraine"

What stopped them from leaving?

So you see, don't kill russians and don't invite NATO scambags and you will have your country safe from russian "invasion"

Don't send unmarked Russian soldiers into another country and they won't be killed.

 

[Elixir]

The whole Ukraine should be split according to results of individual oblast based referendums.

Then let's do the same for Russia, Oblast by Oblast.
It would be interesting to see what you'd be left with, if anything.
Of course in Russia your vote doesn't count; your vote counts YOU.

 

[TV and credit cards]

The whole Ukraine should be split according to results of individual oblast based referendums.

Then let's do the same for Russia, Oblast by Oblast.
It would be interesting to see what you'd be left with, if anything.
Of course in Russia your vote doesn't count; your vote counts YOU.

All of Ukraine can vote to have part of Ukraine leave but part of Ukraine does not get to vote to leave. It's downright unconstitutional.

I'd like to see part of the Russian Federation vote to leave. See what happens. Maybe Leningrad Oblast would like to vote to break away from Russia. That'd probably be okay with all concerned, I'm sure.

 

[Elixir]

Maybe Leningrad Oblast would like to vote to break away from Russia.

Pretty sure Kaliningrad would go.

 

[barbos]

All of Ukraine can vote to have part of Ukraine leave but part of Ukraine does not get to vote to leave.

Kosovo!
And they actually according to you did vote to give Eastern Ukraine back when they democratically elected nazi regime which banned russian language and in culture. In fact they literally and officially proclaimed the course of getting rid soviet legacy.
Well, Eastern Ukraine IS soviet legacy, literally.
And Ukraine itself as a whole IS soviet legacy too. Lenin created Ukraine
These people are utter idiots and have no business to govern themselves.

And according to your principles Ukraine's leaving Russia (USSR) in 1991 was illegal in the first place becasue USSR voted against it. Anyway you look it Ukraine have no right to exist.

 

[barbos]

What stopped them from leaving?

They all left. They kicked out nazis voted to leave Ukraine and left.

 

[aupmanyav]

A big problem with hating USA is that, as far as super powers go, USA is extremely benign. There is no other example in human history of a super power not exploiting it to the max (at everyone else's expense). .. As I am sure you.... an Indian... are aware of.
The world is always going to have one country that is the most powerful.

You should not be talking about US being 'extrremely' benign. We all know it. Ah! trying to put Indians against GB.
We do not hate anyone, not even the Chinese or Pakistanis. Political problems do not last for ever. At the moment there are three super powers.

But that doesn't mean Indians need to find justifications for Putin's war of aggression.

You seem to conflate being friendly with Putin as justifying Putin's actions. India is a huge country with a lot of people. Many of which aren't doing so well. They don't really have the luxury to have higher ideals. Modi knows that what really counts is having a strong Indian economy. The rest of bonus. That's not the same thing as agreeing with Putin.

We have not justified Putin's war, Modi or Indian people are not agreeing with Putin. We do have high ideals and NATO does not fit in that, directed against Russia and China. We are smart enough to understand NATO's (US's - Pentagon's) strategy.

NATO is a defensive pact. NATO will only have influence in Ukraine if, and only if, Russia chooses to attack it. Russia did attack Ukraine. So obviously NATO needs to defend it. Or Ukraine will fall. Your position sounds so confused

Hey, hey, stop that charade. Expansionism, encirclement, that is why Russia attacked it, and that is what NATO wanted even before 2014. Now NATO has its war in which their soldiers are not involved, that is exactly what they wanted. Let the Ukrainians fight NATO's war.

 

[Politesse]

The US is "benign" in the same way that the Pope is a "liberal".

 

[aupmanyav]

Russia has laid out their terms: give up land, give up arms, give up future alliances, give up autonomy, give up nazis (how does a country give up people that don't exist?); pay back reparations.

I believe they may settle for less.

 

[aupmanyav]

No worries - They have enough nukes to “destroy everything” several times over, even if only a fifth of them actually work.

That is where policy counts. We should have some deterrent. And we should not create situations where the enemy wants to destroy everything. Ukraine has created a difficult situation for itself.

 

[aupmanyav]

Aupmanyav: hypo question to you: if Pakistan invaded a portion of India, took it over, and demanded "terms" to end the conflict, do you think India would accept similar terms if offered from Pakistan?

I think Pakistan is wise enough not to do something like that. First we have a better army than them, and secondly that may mean a nuclear war in which they will suffer just as badly as us or worse.

 

[Elixir]

We should have some deterrent.

If y’all gave Ukraine some of your nukes, Pootey would go home.
But you’re too greedy to do that.

 

[ZiprHead]

What stopped them from leaving?

They all left. They kicked out nazis voted to leave Ukraine and left.

Please stop crapping all over this board with your delusions.

 

[aupmanyav]

If y’all gave Ukraine some of your nukes, Pootey would go home.
But you’re too greedy to do that.

Ukraine has a great friend in USA. And it has a big pile. Why does it not ask them?
We do not want Ukraine to commit harakiri and put other countries too at risk.