Illegal Immigration - Trump's Fearless Truth to PC Power

[fromderinside]

In fact, the five districts that sit along the border — those for Southern California, Arizona, New Mexico, Western Texas and Southern Texas — were the top five in the country for criminal cases filed in U.S. district courts.

Bogus.

Why?

From WikiPedia:

In 2007, the busiest district courts in terms of criminal federal felony filings were the District of New Mexico,Western District of Texas, Southern District of Texas, and the District of Arizona. These four districts all share the border with Mexico.^[20] A crackdown on illegal immigration resulted in 75 percent of the criminal cases filed in the 94 district courts in 2007 being filed in these four districts and the other district that borders Mexico, theSouthern District of California.^[21]

 

[ZiprHead]

Donald Trump is crass, simplistic, bombastic, over-generalizing, and always gushing with various populist prejudices - many of them nonsensical.

You should have stopped there.

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My wife is very conservative, shocking I know, and she can't believe that Trump's numbers are going up the more ridiculous he gets.

This may be my opening to get her converted into a dirty socialist.

But is she hot?

 

[maxparrish]

If the intentionality of Mexico were the core point, you might have more than a micro-gripe. However, such pedantic hair-pulling over a turn of phrase is a red herring. Be it "sends", "facilitates", "encourages", "promotes" or simply "allows", the nation of Mexico exports poverty, criminals, and the poorly educated.

To the contrary, the USA unwisely accepted the "resourceful, highly motivated, and unwilling to accept impositions" of the Sicilian Mafia, all rooted in a poor peasant society - not unlike Mexico.

And yet, here we are today, when the vast majority of Italian Americans are not going around murdering, stealing, loan sharking, and godfathering. They are making valuable contributions to our society, and are wholly integrated with it. Not unlike the vast majority of Mexican Americans, despite the idiocy that spews forth from The Donald's mouth.

Irrelevant. I pointed out that the Sicilian immigration included many members (or future members) of the Sicilian based Mafia. Italian immigration, excluding or highly selective of Sicilians, was not the problem. Moreover, the issue is not what today's Sicilians make as contributions to us; but the measure harm they imposed on the innocents of the 1920s to the 1950s who never saw or benefited from those "contributions". Intentionally importing and imposing murderers and violence upon ourselves today, in order to succor and wallow in the dreams of integration up to 100 years we are dead is the essence of idiocy.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Rather appropriate I think:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trump&defid=876052

 

[Lumpenproletariat]

Bogus.

Why?

From WikiPedia:

In 2007, the busiest district courts in terms of criminal federal felony filings were the District of New Mexico,Western District of Texas, Southern District of Texas, and the District of Arizona. These four districts all share the border with Mexico.^[20] A crackdown on illegal immigration resulted in 75 percent of the criminal cases filed in the 94 district courts in 2007 being filed in these four districts and the other district that borders Mexico, theSouthern District of California.^[21]

I.e., the stats that really count are the crime rates, not filings. And crime is low for border areas, and also low for immigrants, including illegal immigrants. (except for the "crime" of being here illegally)

Still, crack down heavily on the ones that are real criminals, while leaving the workers and employers alone. We benefit from the cheap labor.

 

[maxparrish]

So, max, it would appear that what you are saying is that, in the places where we have the most people immigrating into the country illegally, we see the highest number of arrests and convictions for illegal immigration. Exactly what does this have to do with Mexicans being rapists and murderers?

You, like some others, seem to have missed both the facts and the point. We not only see arrests related to immigration, but also for the majority of offenses in drugs and/or violence. Nor are these immigration arrests and convictions for ordinary border crossing or the typical repeat offenders (folks who are detained and deported), but for serious repeat offenders whose records show dubious or criminal history.

The point is that illegals and legals of hispanic origin contribute to undesirables and criminality, the core point of Trump.

(Edited for accuracy).

 

[bilby]

So, max, it would appear that what you are saying is that, in the places where we have the most people immigrating into the country illegally, we see the highest number of arrests and convictions for illegal immigration. Exactly what does this have to do with Mexicans being rapists and murderers?

You, like some others, seem to have missed both the facts and the point. We not only see arrests related to immigration, but also for the majority of offenses in drugs and/or violence. Nor are these immigration arrests and convictions for ordinary border crossing or the typical repeat offenders (folks who are detained and deported), but for serious repeat offenders whose records show dubious or criminal history.

The point is that illegals contribute to undesirables and criminality, the core point of Trump.

The point is that neither he nor you can demonstrate this to be true, other than in the tautological and trivial sense that it is illegal to live and work in the US without the required documents.

Trump's comments that inspired the article in the OP and, indirectly, the OP itself, were not even about 'illegals'. He was talking about legal migration to the US from Mexico.

That you conflate the legal and illegal groups, as no doubt Trump hoped many would, is unsurprising - but it is rather disappointing.

It seems that any part of what Trump says that we successfully demonstrate to be bullshit was, in your assessment, 'non-core'; if we are to believe you, his core point still stands as a shining beacon of truth, despite having been whittled down to nothing.

Trump said a bunch of stuff about immigrants from Mexico. None of it stands up to scrutiny; it is all just populist xenophobic bullshit, designed to appeal to the redneck GOP base who are convinced that the only reason they haven't had employers lining up at their trailer park to drag them off the couch and give them a well paid job (that doesn't require putting down their beer or TV remote) is that Mexicans have stolen all the jobs from them.

There is no 'core point', just a 'core sentiment' - brown people are not real Americans, and Americans, be they never such pathetic losers, can look down on them. His words were said with a view to emotional, not rational, point scoring.

 

[maxparrish]

Bogus.

Why?

From WikiPedia:

In 2007, the busiest district courts in terms of criminal federal felony filings were the District of New Mexico,Western District of Texas, Southern District of Texas, and the District of Arizona. These four districts all share the border with Mexico.^[20] A crackdown on illegal immigration resulted in 75 percent of the criminal cases filed in the 94 district courts in 2007 being filed in these four districts and the other district that borders Mexico, theSouthern District of California.^[21]

Except, as you seemed to have missed, the statistics and link referred to 2014, not 2007. In any event, a look at FYE 2007 statistics shows that 75% claim to be unsupported. There was a negligible increase in immigration criminal filings in district courts between 2006 and 2007, less than 1 percent (See Citation Below).

Moreover, what is not bogus is that this sub-population of serial deported border offenders, drug runners, etc. are a significant criminal element (and that, obviously, only includes those who are caught).

http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/usao/legacy/2008/06/17/07statrpt.pdf

 

[whichphilosophy]

As I plainly stated, one needs not "lean" on any particular word used in a figure of speech that is beside the point. The core truth in Trumps rant is not in Mexico's intentionality or (in)actions, it is in his highlighting of the character of immigrants from Mexico. Most folks, outside of this forum, know that to be the wide-spread controversial issue.

Interesting since they are such good workers businesses continue to hire them over lazy Americans. So Trump is correct that these folks are rapists?

Pena Nieto added that he sees a willingness on the part of the Obama administration to change immigration laws, and that reform which provides a path to citizenship should "have the backing and aid of the various political forces" in the United States.

Like Ronald Reagan? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986

. Without a doubt there are many Mexican productive workers but is it a question of quality first or bottom dollar first?

 

[laughing dog]

You, like some others, seem to have missed both the facts and the point. We not only see arrests related to immigration, but also for the majority of offenses in drugs and/or violence. Nor are these immigration arrests and convictions for ordinary border crossing or the typical repeat offenders (folks who are detained and deported), but for serious repeat offenders whose records show dubious or criminal history.

The point is that illegals and legals of hispanic origin contribute to undesirables and criminality, the core point of Trump.

People have said that almost every ethnic group of immigrants (Italians, Irish, Chinese, etc...) throughout history. Besides, all ethnic immigrant groups contribute to "undesirables and criminality", so why focus on one other than to reveal an ugly racist sentiment?

The core point of Trump is that he is a demogogic publicity queen who speaks without thinking.

 

[+or-1]

I've read that since 2010, the net illegal immigration from Mexico has been 0 or below. Do you know what we're fighting about? Whatever the owners of our "freely elected ™" government want us to. Bread and circuses, people.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Do you know what we're fighting about?

Seeing brown people. Let's face it, when you boil it down illegal immigration is all about racism.

 

[HaRaAYaH]

But poverty and crime do go hand in hand.

When economic and political policies create one the other becomes a problem.

That is such a simple statement. It's way more complicated.

 

[HaRaAYaH]

Do you know what we're fighting about?

Seeing brown people. Let's face it, when you boil it down illegal immigration is all about racism.

No it's the battle between the racists and xenophobes (against) and the Chamber of Commerce (for). It would be easy to fix the illegal immigration problem. These people come for the money. They don't have jobs at home and they come to the US to gain employment.

THE SAVE OUR COUNTRY FROM THE EFFECTS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION ACT

An Act of Congress. Any employer with more than 50 employees who is convicted of employing an illegal immigrant will face the following penalties

First Offense: Written Warning
Second Offense: $100,000.00 fine
Third Offense: $1,000,000.00 fine.
Fourth Offense: The CEO, all corporate officers and all members of the Board of Directors will be fined $1,000,000.00 and be imprisoned for not less than 50 years with no opportunity for parole. All shareholders will pay a fine 20% of the value of their shares on the date the the employment of the illegal immigrant or the date of the discovery of the employment of the illegal immigrant, whichever results in a greater fine. Any officer or director will be forced to exercise his/her stock options upon conviction and all profits will be confiscated by the government to cover the cost of investigating, convicting and incarcerating the employer of the illegal immigrant.

Once this law takes effect, there will be no employment for illegal immigrants. That means wages will go up and so will prices as we will have to pay more to build our over 55 communities, pick our lettuce, etc......

 

[KeepTalking]

And yet, here we are today, when the vast majority of Italian Americans are not going around murdering, stealing, loan sharking, and godfathering. They are making valuable contributions to our society, and are wholly integrated with it. Not unlike the vast majority of Mexican Americans, despite the idiocy that spews forth from The Donald's mouth.

Irrelevant. I pointed out that the Sicilian immigration included many members (or future members) of the Sicilian based Mafia. Italian immigration, excluding or highly selective of Sicilians, was not the problem. Moreover, the issue is not what today's Sicilians make as contributions to us; but the measure harm they imposed on the innocents of the 1920s to the 1950s who never saw or benefited from those "contributions". Intentionally importing and imposing murderers and violence upon ourselves today, in order to succor and wallow in the dreams of integration up to 100 years we are dead is the essence of idiocy.

It is not irrelevant, as it shows that the wave of immigration was a net benefit to society. There was also crime, including crime of the organized variety, before this wave of immigration. Poverty increases crime, that is indisputable. What is disputable, and in fact entirely wrong, is that the majority of any immigrant population consists of criminals. This is what The Donald has told us, and what you parrot, and it is pure bullshit.

 

[KeepTalking]

So, max, it would appear that what you are saying is that, in the places where we have the most people immigrating into the country illegally, we see the highest number of arrests and convictions for illegal immigration. Exactly what does this have to do with Mexicans being rapists and murderers?

You, like some others, seem to have missed both the facts and the point. We not only see arrests related to immigration, but also for the majority of offenses in drugs and/or violence. Nor are these immigration arrests and convictions for ordinary border crossing or the typical repeat offenders (folks who are detained and deported), but for serious repeat offenders whose records show dubious or criminal history.

The point is that illegals and legals of hispanic origin contribute to undesirables and criminality, the core point of Trump.

(Edited for accuracy).

The information you provided does not show that. It specifically states that the high amount of arrests and convictions in those districts can be attributed to arrests and convictions for illegal immigration. If you have data that shows that these districts are also the highest in the US for murder and drug arrests and convictions, perhaps you should trot that out.

 

[laughing dog]

No it's the battle between the racists and xenophobes (against) and the Chamber of Commerce (for). It would be easy to fix the illegal immigration problem. These people come for the money. They don't have jobs at home and they come to the US to gain employment.

That is such a simple statement - the situation is much more complex. Immigrants from Latin America (including Mexico) come to the USA for a better life. That may mean employment and/or a better income. It also may mean a higher probability of avoiding enslavement, rape and death.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Future News - Trump's Fearless Truth to GOP Power


GOP pulls out of Trump administration over comments
(I mean, seriously, this is Oval Office behavior we need)

Washington (CNN)—Donald Trump's party alignment is the latest casualty in the backlash over his controversial comments about Congressional Representatives.

Trump and the GOP Senate Members "mutually agreed" to pull the GOP's support of Trump's 2017 budget, according to statements from both sides out Tuesday.

The cancellation comes after several Republican Representatives severed ties with Trump after he called some of their legislation "raping the country" and "killing the economy" in comments during and since his presidential inauguration.

Trump has refused to apologize for his comments, instead doubling down and insisting that the US voters are sending the worst individuals in its society across the country and into the Capitol.

Trump defends inflammatory comments, asks 'Who does business this way?'

Trump and GOP officials met on Monday to discuss the event and agreed to stop active support of the White House budget to shield the GOP from any blowback.

"The parties mutually agreed that it is in the best interest of all not to debate the 2017 budget at this time," the GOP said in a statement.

A Trump House Spokesman said in a statement that Trump "does not want his friends at the GOP of America to suffer any consequences or backlash with respect to the fuckheads in the lower House."

Trump said in the statement that he has "great respect for the GOP of America and everything else they stand for."

He added that nixing the budget will give him "the time to rebuild the budget... into the budget I always wanted it to be."

 

[whichphilosophy]

I've read that since 2010, the net illegal immigration from Mexico has been 0 or below. Do you know what we're fighting about? Whatever the owners of our "freely elected ™" government want us to. Bread and circuses, people.

Does this mean that the people illegally crossing the borders are in fact legal?

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Do you know what we're fighting about?

Seeing brown people. Let's face it, when you boil it down illegal immigration is all about racism.

Are you joking by any chance?

 

[whichphilosophy]

You, like some others, seem to have missed both the facts and the point. We not only see arrests related to immigration, but also for the majority of offenses in drugs and/or violence. Nor are these immigration arrests and convictions for ordinary border crossing or the typical repeat offenders (folks who are detained and deported), but for serious repeat offenders whose records show dubious or criminal history.

The point is that illegals and legals of hispanic origin contribute to undesirables and criminality, the core point of Trump.

People have said that almost every ethnic group of immigrants (Italians, Irish, Chinese, etc...) throughout history. Besides, all ethnic immigrant groups contribute to "undesirables and criminality", so why focus on one other than to reveal an ugly racist sentiment?

The core point of Trump is that he is a demogogic publicity queen who speaks without thinking.

There are criminals in all communities. There are also several groups of Jewish muggers around the USA comprising of doctors, dentists, lawyers and accountants.