Immigrant Concentration Camps

[angelo]

Is there really such a thing as a peaceful demonstration?

Watch the video and you'll have your answer.

What other way was there to get these professional protesting ratbags out of the way? Shoot them Chinese style? What an uproar that would cause world wide!

 

[Jarhyn]

Is there really such a thing as a peaceful demonstration?

Watch the video and you'll have your answer.

What other way was there to get these professional protesting ratbags out of the way? Shoot them Chinese style? What an uproar that would cause world wide!

The obvious answer is "stop separating families and close the concentration camps, moving funds to immigration courts and claim processing, while relaxing the barriers to normal immigration."

 

[Angry Floof]

Is there really such a thing as a peaceful demonstration?

Watch the video and you'll have your answer.

What other way was there to get these professional protesting ratbags out of the way? Shoot them Chinese style? What an uproar that would cause world wide!

Good to see you acknowledge that you do live in a world of largely people of humane values and compassion, that you're surrounded by people of conscience who do indeed cause an uproar when the powerful adopt cruelty as policy.

 

[SimpleDon]

This is a problem generated by Trump's insistence that we treat all illegal immigrants as potential felons and M-13 gang members who, men, women, and children alike, will rampage across the country raping our daughters and getting our sons hooked on heroin unless they are locked up.

I thought that this was Trump throwing red meat to conservatives so that they once again won't notice that they are losing a very real class war being waged against them by the people like Trump. The latest version of the seemingly endless stream of lies we have had to endure over the years from the Republicans. All of them either dog whistles for racism or demonizing liberals as being the cause of all of our problems when liberals haven't had any meaningful political power in the country in forty years. The war is against not so much liberals as it is against the ideals of liberal democracy that the Republicans claim to hold dear but they try to subvert any time those ideals threaten the status quo, which is often.

But Trump may actually believe his "know-nothingism" rants against both legal and illegal immigration and immigrants. I don't know if this makes it better that Trump is a victim of the lying or if he is just a conman willing to take the lies beyond their previous limits.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Is there really such a thing as a peaceful demonstration?

Watch the video and you'll have your answer.

What other way was there to get these professional protesting ratbags out of the way? Shoot them Chinese style? What an uproar that would cause world wide!

That's what riot police are for.

 

[Angry Floof]

What other way was there to get these professional protesting ratbags out of the way? Shoot them Chinese style? What an uproar that would cause world wide!

That's what riot police are for.

No, they aren't. Riot police are for riots, not peaceful protests.

Conservatives who support or turn a blind eye to the current administration and other growing authoritarian movements around the world seem to be oblivious to the fact that they are supporting the removal of their own right to protest. So indoctrinated are they by us vs. them zealotry against people they've been trained to hate and fear and so enamored of "their side" being in power that they believe they themselves will never need that right to protest apparently.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Conservatives who support or turn a blind eye to the current administration and other growing authoritarian movements around the world seem to be oblivious to the fact that they are supporting the removal of their own right to protest. So indoctrinated are they by us vs. them zealotry against people they've been trained to hate and fear and so enamored of "their side" being in power that they believe they themselves will never need that right to protest apparently.

Replace the word "conservatives" with "people" and I actually agree with Floof for once. This is a basic free speech issue. Until the protesters engage in violence and destruction, let them do their thing.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

What other way was there to get these professional protesting ratbags out of the way? Shoot them Chinese style? What an uproar that would cause world wide!

That's what riot police are for.

No, they aren't. Riot police are for riots, not peaceful protests.

Conservatives who support or turn a blind eye to the current administration and other growing authoritarian movements around the world seem to be oblivious to the fact that they are supporting the removal of their own right to protest. So indoctrinated are they by us vs. them zealotry against people they've been trained to hate and fear and so enamored of "their side" being in power that they believe they themselves will never need that right to protest apparently.

If they're behaving themselves they aren't blocking something and there's no need to move them.

 

[angelo]

No, they aren't. Riot police are for riots, not peaceful protests.

Conservatives who support or turn a blind eye to the current administration and other growing authoritarian movements around the world seem to be oblivious to the fact that they are supporting the removal of their own right to protest. So indoctrinated are they by us vs. them zealotry against people they've been trained to hate and fear and so enamored of "their side" being in power that they believe they themselves will never need that right to protest apparently.

If they're behaving themselves they aren't blocking something and there's no need to move them.

Didn't they refuse to disperse?

 

[bilby]

No, they aren't. Riot police are for riots, not peaceful protests.

Conservatives who support or turn a blind eye to the current administration and other growing authoritarian movements around the world seem to be oblivious to the fact that they are supporting the removal of their own right to protest. So indoctrinated are they by us vs. them zealotry against people they've been trained to hate and fear and so enamored of "their side" being in power that they believe they themselves will never need that right to protest apparently.

If they're behaving themselves they aren't blocking something and there's no need to move them.

Or indeed to pay them the slightest attention.

Civil disobedience is necessarily disobedient. Nobody ever got anything changed by obeying the rules set down by those who benefit from the status quo.

Your total submission to authority is entirely your choice, but you would be badly wrong to mistake it for morality, and you are very sorely mistaken if you think that other people are going to care that their attempts to change the world for the better cause you discomfort, delay, or distress.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

No, they aren't. Riot police are for riots, not peaceful protests.

Conservatives who support or turn a blind eye to the current administration and other growing authoritarian movements around the world seem to be oblivious to the fact that they are supporting the removal of their own right to protest. So indoctrinated are they by us vs. them zealotry against people they've been trained to hate and fear and so enamored of "their side" being in power that they believe they themselves will never need that right to protest apparently.

If they're behaving themselves they aren't blocking something and there's no need to move them.

Or indeed to pay them the slightest attention.

Civil disobedience is necessarily disobedient. Nobody ever got anything changed by obeying the rules set down by those who benefit from the status quo.

Your total submission to authority is entirely your choice, but you would be badly wrong to mistake it for morality, and you are very sorely mistaken if you think that other people are going to care that their attempts to change the world for the better cause you discomfort, delay, or distress.

I disagree. Peaceful protest when you have enough people works. Misbehavior is an attempt to overcome a lack of numbers.

 

[bilby]

Or indeed to pay them the slightest attention.

Civil disobedience is necessarily disobedient. Nobody ever got anything changed by obeying the rules set down by those who benefit from the status quo.

Your total submission to authority is entirely your choice, but you would be badly wrong to mistake it for morality, and you are very sorely mistaken if you think that other people are going to care that their attempts to change the world for the better cause you discomfort, delay, or distress.

I disagree.

I know. You are wrong, though.

Peaceful protest when you have enough people works.

No, it doesn't.

To take an extreme (and therefore obvious) example: Millions of people, probably the vast majority of Russian citizens, opposed Stalin's collectivisation policies, and his purges. A small but dedicated and loyal corps of enforcers using a network of informers to keep the masses from organising their resistance can keep a majority down for a very long time - and in such an environment, peaceful protests are just a way to inform on yourself as an enemy of the state.

Misbehavior is an attempt to overcome a lack of numbers.

No, it isn't. But I understand why you believe that it is. If you doubted it, your self image as a moral, noble and good person would be severely threatened. Because you continue to conflate law with morality, and obedience with goodness.

 

[angelo]

The big differences being, there are not millions, of or a vast majority of US citizens clamouring to throw open their borders to illigal immigrants. The protesters are a minority of globalist who are out to eliminate state borders and dilute a country's population, not to mention it's welfare budget.

 

[Jarhyn]

The big differences being, there are not millions, of or a vast majority of US citizens clamouring to throw open their borders to illigal immigrants. The protesters are a minority of globalist who are out to eliminate state borders and dilute a country's population, not to mention it's welfare budget.

"Dilute". It doesn't fucking work like that. You don't get weaker by adding in new traits into a pool, you get stronger over time due to selection pressures. Oftentimes MUCH more so.

 

[angelo]

Who pray tell is paying for this extravaganza if not American taxpayers?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/the-cost...on-migrants-cost-us-taxpayers-billions-a-year

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Who pray tell is paying for this extravaganza if not American taxpayers?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/the-cost...on-migrants-cost-us-taxpayers-billions-a-year

It is paid for in lower costs in production, often the agricultural industry in the US.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

To take an extreme (and therefore obvious) example: Millions of people, probably the vast majority of Russian citizens, opposed Stalin's collectivisation policies, and his purges. A small but dedicated and loyal corps of enforcers using a network of informers to keep the masses from organising their resistance can keep a majority down for a very long time - and in such an environment, peaceful protests are just a way to inform on yourself as an enemy of the state.

Misbehavior is an attempt to overcome a lack of numbers.

No, it isn't. But I understand why you believe that it is. If you doubted it, your self image as a moral, noble and good person would be severely threatened. Because you continue to conflate law with morality, and obedience with goodness.

Look how the Iron Curtain fell. Very large, basically peaceful protests.

 

[blastula]

CBP brownshirt. Journalist stopped by US border agent 'for being part of fake news media' | The Independent

 

[angelo]

To take an extreme (and therefore obvious) example: Millions of people, probably the vast majority of Russian citizens, opposed Stalin's collectivisation policies, and his purges. A small but dedicated and loyal corps of enforcers using a network of informers to keep the masses from organising their resistance can keep a majority down for a very long time - and in such an environment, peaceful protests are just a way to inform on yourself as an enemy of the state.

Misbehavior is an attempt to overcome a lack of numbers.

No, it isn't. But I understand why you believe that it is. If you doubted it, your self image as a moral, noble and good person would be severely threatened. Because you continue to conflate law with morality, and obedience with goodness.

Look how the Iron Curtain fell. Very large, basically peaceful protests.

Not to mention that the Iron Curtain nations were bankrupt with their economies spiraling backwards at a rate of knots!

 

[Elixir]

Not to mention that the Iron Curtain nations were bankrupt with their economies spiraling backwards at a rate of knots!

That's a great argument for re-electing Trump.