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Moron.
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Doesn’t his argument depend on there actually being tyranny though? Winning a democratic election is not tyranny. And if they think it was wholly fraudulent then present the evidence of fraud already.
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Yeah... tyranny? Trump was the tyranny, and these idiots were rallying the tyranny. Biden wasn't the President yet! Trump was the guy who lost and tried to use violence to overthrow the election results, after not contesting the results in Federal Court.
 
Marjorie Taylor Greene says more about Jan. 6 than she probably intended
As Donald Trump and his partisan allies got to work rewriting the history of Jan. 6, they targeted core truths about the attack on the Capitol. It wasn't a "riot," they said, it should instead be seen as a "protest." Those responsible for the violence shouldn't be seen as insurrectionists, they added, but rather as innocent tourists who are being unfairly persecuted.
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Marjorie Taylor Greene compares Jan. 6 to Declaration of Independence - The Washington Post
During an appearance on conservative outlet Real America’s Voice, Greene repeated a frequent GOP talking point that the real focus of congressional investigators should be violence at Black Lives Matter protests in 2020. But while doing so, she essentially suggested the Capitol riot comported with our Founding Fathers’ vision.

The racial-justice protest violence “was an attack on innocent American people, whereas January 6th was just a riot at the Capitol,” she said. “And if you think about what our Declaration of Independence says, it says to overthrow tyrants.”

Greene added: “So there’s a clear difference between January 6th and the Marxist-communist revolution that antifa, BLM, Democrat ground troops waged on the American people in 2020.”
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Then how Republicans are now talking about what innocent victims and martyrs the attackers are.
For months after Ashli Babbitt was shot and killed by a police officer during the riot — and even though video of it emerged almost instantly — few on the right raised concerns about it. Then Rep. Paul A. Gosar (R-Ariz.), who is perhaps the one congressman who outflanks Greene on the GOP fringe, began talking about it like it was a murder. Today, even relatively standard-issue Republicans have echoed the claims. Rep. Troy E. Nehls (R-Tex.), who when he was chosen by the GOP for the Jan. 6 committee this summer was thought to have been a rather acceptable pick for Democrats, is now also calling it a “murder.”

The effort to rehabilitate the other people who stormed the Capitol has followed a similar progression. During a House hearing in May, far-right Republicans such as Gosar and Reps. Andrew S. Clyde (R-Ga.), Pat Fallon (R-Tex.) and Jody Hice (R-Ga.) tried all manner of ways to downplay the riot. They compared it to a “normal tourist visit” and suggested the people involved were simply misguided misfits or even, in Gosar’s estimation, mostly “peaceful patriots.” This is around the time when the idea that those prosecuted for unlawfully entering the Capitol were being persecuted began to catch on. Today, it’s an article of faith in much of the GOP.

Ditto the effort to recast the riot as not being an “insurrection.” It clearly was, by definition. Even Trump’s impeachment defense acknowledged that basic fact back in February. But since then, even some of the most high-ranking Republicans have suggested that label doesn’t really apply.
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Might they end up composing some "Ashli Babbitt Song"?
 
Tucker Carlson on Twitter: "November 1 (vid link)" / Twitter
About how right-wingers are patriotic heroes who are being persecuted by the Left. Complete with speculation that the Capitol attacks were a false-flag action.

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Liz Cheney on Twitter: "It appears that @FoxNews is giving @TuckerCarlson a platform to spread the same type of lies that provoked violence on January 6. As @FoxNews knows, the election wasn’t stolen and January 6 was not a “false flag” operation. @rupertmurdoch @jayawallace @Suzannescott @SpeakerRyan" / Twitter

Marjorie Taylor Greene 🇺🇸 on Twitter: "Are you calling @TuckerCarlson’s manager, Karen?" / Twitter

Marjorie Taylor Greene Called Liz Cheney A ‘Karen’ And You Know What Happened Next
Twitter users accused Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) of projection after she called Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) a “Karen.”

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The irony of Greene using the term “Karen,” a pejorative label referring to a white woman showing privileged behavior, was not lost on Twitter users.

Greene (who late night comedian Trevor Noah once dubbed “Osama Bin Karen”) has likened House mask mandates to the Holocaust, said she doesn’t believe in evolution, has pushed a conspiracy theory about Jewish space lasers starting wildfires in California and liked social media posts calling for the execution of prominent Democrats, which caused her to be stripped of her House committee assignments.
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I’m confused by the messaging. Was it a false flag operation or patriots rising up against tyranny? Or akin to a tourist visit? I guess it can be whatever it needs to be to suit their political needs.
 
Shadowy Man said:
I’m confused by the messaging. Was it a false flag operation or patriots rising up against tyranny? Or akin to a tourist visit? I guess it can be whatever it needs to be to suit their political needs.
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According to Tucker Carlson, it was Trump's Justice Department that did it. He just doesn't say the Trump part out loud.
 
Former lawmakers urge court to reject Trump effort to stymie Jan. 6 committee

Sixty-six former lawmakers, including two dozen Republicans, have signed on to a legal brief urging a federal judge to reject former President Donald Trump’s effort to block Jan. 6 investigators from accessing his White House’s records.

The brief, which is slated to hit the docket in the D.C. federal District Court on Friday, contends that no possible argument about executive privilege could overcome Congress’ need for documents to probe the violent attack on the Capitol — one fueled by Trump’s false claim that the 2020 election was stolen.

“From what is publicly known, it is clear that Donald Trump played an outsized — and likely central — role in orchestrating the events that gave rise to the January 6th attack,” the lawmakers say in the 21-page brief, signed by 24 Republicans and 42 Democrats. “And many, and perhaps most, of the various means he used or contemplated are documented in the records the Committee seeks and are still not known.”
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Not to mention that criminal activities are not covered by executive privelege.
 
John Eastman told Pence team Pence's actions caused attack on Capitol, in email during riot - The Washington Post

As Vice President Mike Pence hid from a marauding mob during the Jan. 6 invasion of the Capitol, an attorney for President Donald Trump emailed a top Pence aide to say that Pence had caused the violence by refusing to block certification of Trump’s election loss.

The attorney, John C. Eastman, also continued to press for Pence to act even after Trump’s supporters had trampled through the Capitol — an attack the Pence aide, Greg Jacob, had described as a “siege” in their email exchange.

“The ‘siege’ is because YOU and your boss did not do what was necessary to allow this to be aired in a public way so that the American people can see for themselves what happened,” Eastman wrote to Jacob, referring to Trump’s claims of voter fraud.
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It was a shame Trump didn’t actually have his lawyers take this case to court.
 
Trump wants call logs, aide's notes hidden from Jan. 6 panel - ABC News
Former President Donald Trump is trying to block documents including call logs, drafts of remarks and speeches and handwritten notes from his chief of staff relating to the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection from being released to the committee investigating the riot, the National Archives revealed in a court filing early Saturday.

Trump has sued to prevent the National Archives from transmitting those documents, and thousands more, to the House committee investigating the attack. President Joe Biden declined to assert executive privilege on most of Trump's records after determining that doing so is “not in the best interests of the United States.”
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Good that the Biden Admin rejected his claim of executive privilege. Trump seems like he is his second toddlerhood with his temper tantrums.

Trump's attorney told Pence his refusal to overturn the election caused the Jan. 6 riot
  • John Eastman, a lawyer for President Donald Trump told an aide of Vice President Mike Pence that he caused the attack on the Capitol by refusing to overturn the election, the Washington Post reports.
  • Eastman made this claim in an email as rioters stormed the Capitol.
  • The Pence aide had considered publishing the emails in January, along with an opinion article, but chose not to publish them.
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GOP candidate claims Michael Flynn hoped to blackmail U.S. officials into pro-Trump "audits"

A Republican Senate candidate alleged over the weekend that Michael Flynn, the retired general and former national security adviser, has sought damaging information on elected officials in a number of states, with the apparent goal of blackmailing them into supporting conspiratorial election audits meant to reinforce Donald Trump's false claims that the 2020 election was fraudulent.

Everett Stern, a businessman who owns a private intelligence firm called Tactical Rabbit and is running for the open U.S. Senate in Pennsylvania, held a press conference Saturday to share his purported findings, later tweeting out a link to the video of his remarks titled, "Everett Stern Releases New Evidence of Ongoing Domestic Terror Threat Links to General Michael T. Flynn."

"I'm here today not as a candidate running for U.S. Senate, I'm here as a citizen who is genuinely concerned about our country, sincerely concerned about the undermining of our democracy," Stern said in the opening moments of his statement. He also claimed to be in touch with federal law enforcement about the situation.
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A lot more in the link.
 
They are trying to simply demoralize our democracy. Unless he is claiming Trump fraudulently won Florida.

Hmm... let me start over.

Roger Stone implies President Trump stole Florida in 2020 election.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
They are trying to simply demoralize our democracy. Unless he is claiming Trump fraudulently won Florida.

Hmm... let me start over.

Roger Stone implies President Trump stole Florida in 2020 election.
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My God... these people are such losers that they can't even recognize when they've won a state...
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Roger Stone implies President Trump stole Florida in 2020 election.
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No, no. There was no fraud in any election that helped GOP candidates, even in elections that included Trump losing (by fraud) but GOP winning seats in Congress.
The story here is that there's a CAPACITY for someone to steal Florida, if action is not taken immediately. Sweeping reform to drive out millions of voters who might accidently make the state blue.
 
Keith&Co. said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Roger Stone implies President Trump stole Florida in 2020 election.
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No, no. There was no fraud in any election that helped GOP candidates, even in elections that included Trump losing (by fraud) but GOP winning seats in Congress.
The story here is that there's a CAPACITY for someone to steal Florida, if action is not taken immediately. Sweeping reform to drive out millions of voters who might accidently make the state blue.
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"...accidentally make the state blue."

Yeah, someone might "accidentally"spill a big bucket of intelligence and decency all over the place.
 
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