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January 6 Hearings Live

ZiprHead said:
Can't find a good link but...

"Cheney says GOP Rep. Banks has been sending letters to federal agencies signed as Jan. 6 committee member"
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He's asking for copies of everything being sent to the committee, surely to give a heads up ro others that may be caught up in the investigation.

I wonder how many congressional rules that breaks, not to mention probable obstruction of justice.
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/21/politics/jim-banks-liz-cheney-jan-6-committee/index.html
 
Death Threats Are Creating a Mass Exodus of Election Officials
“Hey, Rick,” the voicemail said. “Two hundred and thirty four years ago, the founding caucasian fathers of America gave us the Second Amendment. Time's running out, Richard. We're coming after you and every motherfucker that stole this election with our Second Amendment, subpoenas be damned, you're going to be served lead, you fucking enemy enemy communist cocksucker. You will be served lead.”

This was just one of the nearly 150 voicemails that were left for Richard Barron, elections director of Georgia’s Fulton County, an area that includes Atlanta, during the week from Christmas to New Year’s Day 2021.
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Then about how Trump called him a big electoral villain at a rally.
That’s when the voicemails started coming. Many of them were graphic and specifically called for his death. “Hey, Rick,” another said. “Watching this video of you on YouTube. I can't believe you can't count votes in Fulton County. It's absolutely incredible. How deceivious? How deceitful you are? You need to get your act together or people like me really may go after people like you.”

And again: “If you have a hand in this, you deserve to go to prison, you actually deserve to hang by your goddamn skinny-ass soyboy neck.”
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lpetrich said:
Death Threats Are Creating a Mass Exodus of Election Officials
“Hey, Rick,” the voicemail said. “Two hundred and thirty four years ago, the founding caucasian fathers of America gave us the Second Amendment. Time's running out, Richard. We're coming after you and every motherfucker that stole this election with our Second Amendment, subpoenas be damned, you're going to be served lead, you fucking enemy enemy communist cocksucker. You will be served lead.”

This was just one of the nearly 150 voicemails that were left for Richard Barron, elections director of Georgia’s Fulton County, an area that includes Atlanta, during the week from Christmas to New Year’s Day 2021.
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Then about how Trump called him a big electoral villain at a rally.
That’s when the voicemails started coming. Many of them were graphic and specifically called for his death. “Hey, Rick,” another said. “Watching this video of you on YouTube. I can't believe you can't count votes in Fulton County. It's absolutely incredible. How deceivious? How deceitful you are? You need to get your act together or people like me really may go after people like you.”

And again: “If you have a hand in this, you deserve to go to prison, you actually deserve to hang by your goddamn skinny-ass soyboy neck.”
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Yeah. I just see Bill Maher’s prediction that I posted in the civil war forum coming to fruition. Sad.
 
Two Jan. 6 Planners Cooperate With Committee, Name MAGA Congress Members - Rolling Stone
Two sources are communicating with House investigators and detailed a stunning series of allegations to Rolling Stone, including a promise of a “blanket pardon” from the Oval Office
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Then
Hunter Walker on Twitter: "EXCLUSIVE: Jan. 6 Protest Organizers Say They Participated in ‘Dozens’ of Planning Meetings With Members of Congress and White House Staff (link)" / Twitter
then
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Any member of Congress who helped plot a terrorist attack on our nation’s capitol must be expelled.
This was a terror attack. 138 injured, almost 10 dead. Those responsible remain a danger to our democracy, our country, and human life in the vicinity of our Capitol and beyond." / Twitter

One response noted
Scott Dworkin on Twitter: "Here's video of Marjorie Taylor Greene at the White House in late December 2020 saying she had a "great planning session for our January 6th objection. We aren't going to let this election be stolen by Joe Biden and the Democrats.” Expel and arrest Greene. (vid link)" / Twitter
 
Report: Rally organizers say GOP lawmakers worked on Jan. 6 protests | TheHill

Though unidentified, they were described as a "rally organizer" and a "planner." They claimed that they took part in “dozens” of planning meetings for the Jan. 6 rally and attack.

Some Republican Congressmembers participated or else sent top staffers to participate: Marjorie Taylor Greene GA, Paul Gosar AZ, Lauren Boebert CO, Mo Brooks AL, Madison Cawthorn NC, Andy Biggs AZ, Louie Gohmert TX. Also Trump's acting chief of staff, Mark Meadows: “Meadows was 100 percent made aware of what was going on,” and he was “a regular figure in these really tiny groups of national organizers.”
Rolling Stone reported that Gosar floated the possibility of a “blanket pardon” that could be available for those planning the protests, with one of the two sources saying that “our impression was that it was a done deal.”

“That he’d spoken to the president about it in the Oval ... in a meeting about pardons and that our names came up. They were working on submitting the paperwork and getting members of the House Freedom Caucus to sign on as a show of support,” the source added.

The source said Gosar offered “several assurances” about the pardons.
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MTG's office stated that she
“had nothing to do with the planning of any protest.”

Her office also pointed to Democratic lawmakers who “tried to prevent President Trump’s election win from being certified.”

“No one cares about Jan. 6 when gas prices are skyrocketing, grocery store shelves are empty, unemployment is skyrocketing, businesses are going bankrupt, our border is being invaded, children are forced to wear masks, vaccine mandates are getting workers fired, and 13 members of our military are murdered by the Taliban and Americans are left stranded in Afghanistan,” her office added.
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Paul Gosar assured Jan. 6 protest organizers they would get a 'blanket pardon' while they were planning rallies: report
Those two sources:
They told Rolling Stone that they were unsettled by how the pro-Trump rallies on January 6 eventually turned into the violent attack on the US Capitol, prompting them to cooperate with investigations.

Meanwhile, Gosar, the representative for Arizona, has said that he "never instigated violence," and that the idea that he involved in the Capitol riots was "devoid of reality."

But he has also been outspoken in his defense of US Capitol rioters, calling them "peaceful protestors" who were being harassed by the Justice Department. One of Trump's most ardent supporters, Gosar also said that Ashli Babbitt, a protestor who was shot by Capitol Police on January 6 and later died from her wounds, was "executed."

Gosar's office did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.
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I thought that right-wingers believed in personal responsibility and that the cops are always right.
 
Willard hotel was Trump team 'command center' for denying Biden presidency ahead of Jan. 6 - The Washington Post
They called it the “command center,” a set of rooms and suites in the posh Willard hotel a block from the White House where some of President Donald Trump’s most loyal lieutenants were working day and night with one goal in mind: overturning the results of the 2020 election.

The Jan. 6 rally on the Ellipse and the ensuing attack on the Capitol by a pro-Trump mob would draw the world’s attention to the quest to physically block Congress from affirming Joe Biden’s victory. But the activities at the Willard that week add to an emerging picture of a less visible effort, mapped out in memos by a conservative pro-Trump legal scholar and pursued by a team of presidential advisers and lawyers seeking to pull off what they claim was a legal strategy to reinstate Trump for a second term.
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Rudy Giuliani, Steve Bannon, lawyer John Eastman, ...
They sought to make the case to Pence and ramp up pressure on him to take actions on Jan. 6 that Eastman suggested were within his powers, three people familiar with the operation said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to describe private conversations. Their activities included finding and publicizing alleged evidence of fraud, urging members of state legislatures to challenge Biden’s victory and calling on the Trump-supporting public to press Republican officials in key states.
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Steve Bannon is now resisting being subpoenaed.
 
I notice something about the continuing investigation into the January 6 attacks. Zero evidence of participation of anyone with discoverable far-left connections. Extreme left-wingers would justify such involvement as provoking people to revolt by provoking gov't repression. That's a strategy that some left-wing revolutionaries have tried in the past, with zero success.

Some Republican politicians have talked about "Antifa" being involved, but they show a curious lack of interest in following up.

How the left enabled fascism - "Ernst Thälmann, leader of Germany’s radical left in the last years of the Weimar Republic, thought the centre left was a greater danger than the right. We should remember his miscalculation."
Any similarities to Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party are far from coincidental. But the leader in question is Ernst Thälmann, chief of the German Communist Party (KPD) in the final years of the Weimar Republic. Thälmann is a tragic and disastrous figure. Dogmatic, passionate, stubborn and stupid, the former Hamburg dockworker divided the left and became one of the right’s first victims. Within weeks of Hitler’s takeover in 1933, he, along with thousands of other communists, was arrested and tortured. Unlike many of them, he survived in prison for 11 years before being murdered on Hitler’s orders in 1944.
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After WWII, East Germany made him a great hero and a great martyr to fascism. "That he had also been one of the Nazi regime’s unwitting enablers was erased."

 Social fascism - "The term social fascist was used pejoratively to describe social democratic parties, anti-Comintern and progressive socialist parties and dissenters within Comintern affiliates throughout the interwar period. The social fascism theory was advocated vociferously by the Communist Party of Germany, which was largely controlled and funded by the Soviet leadership from 1928."
The theory, developed in the early 1920s, favoured by Stalin and established as Communist orthodoxy by 1928, held that reformist social democracy was the worst enemy of the proletariat – worse than fascism – because it created false consciousness and made revolution, the party’s overriding goal, less likely. This notion derived from the left’s misunderstanding of the dark forces about to overwhelm it.

Thälmann and the KPD regarded fascists and Nazis as products and tools of capitalism. Since social democrats were also capitalists, it followed that social democracy, fascism and Nazism were simply different facets of the same oppression. To further the dream of a Soviet Germany, the party was willing to help the Nazis destroy democracy, thinking it could beat the Nazis easily in the aftermath.

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With hindsight, his relaxed attitude to the threat of Hitler seems astonishingly foolish. For example, as Russel Lemmons shows in his 2013 book about Thälmann, Hitler’s Rival, when the Nazis made their electoral breakthrough in the Reichstag elections of 1930 (winning 18 per cent of the vote to become the second-largest party) Thälmann insisted that if Hitler came to power he was sure to fail and this would drive Nazi voters into the arms of the KPD.

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Thälmann’s approach was also contradictory and ambivalent. On one hand, his Communist militias fought bloody and often lethal turf battles with Nazi stormtroopers and police. On the other, he refused to provide effective political opposition to the Nazis. There were some half-hearted attempts to work with SPD rank and file, but Thälmann never stopped regarding the SPD leadership as anathema and refused to co-operate with them in any significant way until it was far too late.
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Only in February 1933 did he propose an alliance with the SPD, but by then, it was too late.
When the Nazis started rounding up leftists, Thälmann escaped but his hiding place on the Kaiserallee (now Bundesallee) in Berlin was revealed by a tortured comrade and Thälmann was arrested on 3 March and taken to prison. In 1939, Stalin could easily have had Thälmann released as a condition of the Nazi-Soviet Pact, but he didn’t say a word. In August 1944 Hitler ordered Thälmann “liquidated”. SS officers drove him to Buchenwald, shot him in the courtyard of the camp crematorium and burned his body immediately.
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lpetrich said:
Willard hotel was Trump team 'command center' for denying Biden presidency ahead of Jan. 6 - The Washington Post
They called it the “command center,” a set of rooms and suites in the posh Willard hotel a block from the White House where some of President Donald Trump’s most loyal lieutenants were working day and night with one goal in mind: overturning the results of the 2020 election.

The Jan. 6 rally on the Ellipse and the ensuing attack on the Capitol by a pro-Trump mob would draw the world’s attention to the quest to physically block Congress from affirming Joe Biden’s victory. But the activities at the Willard that week add to an emerging picture of a less visible effort, mapped out in memos by a conservative pro-Trump legal scholar and pursued by a team of presidential advisers and lawyers seeking to pull off what they claim was a legal strategy to reinstate Trump for a second term.
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Rudy Giuliani, Steve Bannon, lawyer John Eastman, ...
They sought to make the case to Pence and ramp up pressure on him to take actions on Jan. 6 that Eastman suggested were within his powers, three people familiar with the operation said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to describe private conversations. Their activities included finding and publicizing alleged evidence of fraud, urging members of state legislatures to challenge Biden’s victory and calling on the Trump-supporting public to press Republican officials in key states.
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Steve Bannon is now resisting being subpoenaed.
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lpetrich said:
Report: Rally organizers say GOP lawmakers worked on Jan. 6 protests | TheHill

Though unidentified, they were described as a "rally organizer" and a "planner." They claimed that they took part in “dozens” of planning meetings for the Jan. 6 rally and attack.

Some Republican Congressmembers participated or else sent top staffers to participate: Marjorie Taylor Greene GA, Paul Gosar AZ, Lauren Boebert CO, Mo Brooks AL, Madison Cawthorn NC, Andy Biggs AZ, Louie Gohmert TX. Also Trump's acting chief of staff, Mark Meadows: “Meadows was 100 percent made aware of what was going on,” and he was “a regular figure in these really tiny groups of national organizers.”
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That certainly seems to fit within the definition of conspiracy to commit to me. Even if the rank and file weren't knowing parts of it the bosses certainly are and should get conspiracy charges for every crime committed in the keystone coup.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
lpetrich said:
Report: Rally organizers say GOP lawmakers worked on Jan. 6 protests | TheHill

Though unidentified, they were described as a "rally organizer" and a "planner." They claimed that they took part in “dozens” of planning meetings for the Jan. 6 rally and attack.

Some Republican Congressmembers participated or else sent top staffers to participate: Marjorie Taylor Greene GA, Paul Gosar AZ, Lauren Boebert CO, Mo Brooks AL, Madison Cawthorn NC, Andy Biggs AZ, Louie Gohmert TX. Also Trump's acting chief of staff, Mark Meadows: “Meadows was 100 percent made aware of what was going on,” and he was “a regular figure in these really tiny groups of national organizers.”
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That certainly seems to fit within the definition of conspiracy to commit to me. Even if the rank and file weren't knowing parts of it the bosses certainly are and should get conspiracy charges for every crime committed in the keystone coup.
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Conspiracy? Or simply in the wide-open. The correct term is insurrection. They conspired to commit an insurrection,. It looks like they thought they could make it happen.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Loren Pechtel said:
That certainly seems to fit within the definition of conspiracy to commit to me. Even if the rank and file weren't knowing parts of it the bosses certainly are and should get conspiracy charges for every crime committed in the keystone coup.
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Conspiracy? Or simply in the wide-open. The correct term is insurrection. They conspired to commit an insurrection,. It looks like they thought they could make it happen.
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And how is this disagreeing with what I said?
 
Loren Pechtel said:
And how is this disagreeing with what I said?
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It's not much of a 'conspiracy' if they're up front about their goals, the date, the mission, and where to get commemorative t-shirts. And keep telling more and more people to come or be ready to hide on The Date.
More of 'an agenda' or 'BYO Gallows' Party.

Like, it's not really 'insider trading' if you're president and write an executive order to give money to an industry you're heavily invested in. It's just straight-up corruption.
 
The theory, developed in the early 1920s, favoured by Stalin and established as Communist orthodoxy by 1928, held that reformist social democracy was the worst enemy of the proletariat – worse than fascism – because it created false consciousness and made revolution, the party’s overriding goal, less likely. This notion derived from the left’s misunderstanding of the dark forces about to overwhelm it.

Thälmann and the KPD regarded fascists and Nazis as products and tools of capitalism. Since social democrats were also capitalists, it followed that social democracy,
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This is exactly how it is playing out in my little corner of the world. Several "Bernie Bros" that I know lump all the "capitalists" together and play the "Two Sides of the Same Capitalist Coin" card at every chance. The real ones are still on about it. They'd rather see Trump burn it all down than vote for deep state mainstream Democrats. Their voices were heavily magnified by domestic and foreign disinformation campaigns that sought to suppress or dilute the anti-Trump vote in 2016. There were two Russian bots that camped out on our local surfing forum that relentlessly spammed the board with posts from writers like Phil Rockstroh with the general theme that the Democrats were a front of the corporate deep state. Lots of pro-Jill Stein and pro-Bernie themed posts with assertions that the Democrats had rigged the primaries. Remember Russia Today hosting a debate for candidates that didn't make the cut for the official debates. Those accounts mysteriously went quiet round about January 2017. There was one that posted here and on Metabunk.org, Will Wiley. He was really pushing disinfo about Ukraine, especially with regard to Russian shooting down a commercial flight. "He" disappeared from this board and Metabunk early in 2017.
 
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