But if I were her, I'd expect to be relegated to the Ex-wives club after he loses.
Well ya, it's not like the loss will have been his fault. It was all those other people who didn't step up and be as awesome as he was who were responsible.
But if I were her, I'd expect to be relegated to the Ex-wives club after he loses.
Given: How common political speeches are, how they have small clusters of people picked to write them, how popular certain punchlines are among particular audiences, etc. I would suspect that speechwriting plagiarism would actually be a fairly common phenomenon, just something that we do not usually notice ourselves. I do not think we should expect speechwriters to come up with their own original lines for every line of a speech either, but that copying and plagiarizing the speeches of others is just going to be part of the norm, by people from every political party, and likely has been for the bulk of history. So there are probably plenty of Democrats (along with their speechwriters) who have done the same thing, and just never been caught on it.
It is not something that should be encouraged by any means, but just something we should recognize as being part of the norm. I do not think these particular instances with Melania's word-for-word speech copying were severe enough that her speechwriter deserves firing, either. It seems pretty clear that some plagiarism did occur, but it was nothing out of the ordinary when it comes to political speechwriting. They were somewhat generic lines that worked well with a crowd, and so we should expect others to use them again at other times, even with different speechwriters, different politicians, and different crowds. Not a big deal.
Or her speech writer hated Melania.The rickroll could be a sign it was deliberate.
It is out of the ordinary, it is unethical, it has upended careers when found out. It's standard practice to check against it which is an easy process nowadays.
I doubt it. If you ask Trump voters, they would probably tell you that some of their best friends are incompetent morons.I appreciate that but compared to the rest of the stuff going on it doesn't warrant this much time and outrage.
It was a hack political speech. I'm not really surprised it lifted lines from another political speech. It's what hacks do and is hardly noteworthy.
You've got one of the two major political parties having a convention theme of basically "Make America White Again" right now. Compared to that I don't really care that Melania Trump lifted less than a hundred words from a Michelle Obama speech.
The reason that it's important is that it's a clear demonstration of the incompetence and lack of preparation and ability in the Trump campaign. That sort of thing is working out as a more effective attack strategy against Trump than the racism thing, especially amongst white voters. Clinton has all the minority votes locked up and that's not going to change. Peeling away the support of the white voters who may not think that reestablishing the waning dominance of their uber-race is necessarily a negative blocks Trump's only potential path to victory. Pointing out that Trump is a racist starts getting diminishing returns but pointing out that Trump is an incompetent moron has legs amongst Trump's only real voting bloc.
It is out of the ordinary, it is unethical, it has upended careers when found out. It's standard practice to check against it which is an easy process nowadays.
Yes, who among us can forget when Joe Biden and Barack Obama got run out of politics for plagiarizing speeches.
Of course, those were more blatant than this. And Malenia is a model, not in politics.
It is out of the ordinary, it is unethical, it has upended careers when found out. It's standard practice to check against it which is an easy process nowadays.
Yes, who among us can forget when Joe Biden and Barack Obama got run out of politics for plagiarizing speeches.
Of course, those were more blatant than this. And Malenia is a model, not in politics.
Yes, who among us can forget when Joe Biden and Barack Obama got run out of politics for plagiarizing speeches.
Of course, those were more blatant than this. And Malenia is a model, not in politics.
Biden did drop out of the race at that point, didn't he? And was decades before he returned to the spotlight?
And Obama immediately talked about it - he had shared conversations with Deval, who had given him permission to use the themes.
Melania's issue would have been so easy to say, whoops, she wrote it herself using ideas from other speeches, and we would all have given her a pass. I still give her a pass, actually, but the whole try-to-cover-up business is laughable and shameful. Apparently a person has fallen on a sword. That should have happened sooner, and of course strong vetting would have kept it from happening at all.
Melania's issue would have been so easy to say, whoops, she wrote it herself using ideas from other speeches, and we would all have given her a pass. I still give her a pass, actually, but the whole try-to-cover-up business is laughable and shameful. Apparently a person has fallen on a sword. That should have happened sooner, and of course strong vetting would have kept it from happening at all.
Yes, who among us can forget when Joe Biden and Barack Obama got run out of politics for plagiarizing speeches.
You have forgetten that it did end Biden's candidacy. Obama's case was not so clear cut.
So, after 10 pages it seems like the net net net net of all this is we all got a reminder we could be looking at a hot Slovenian model the next 4 years instead of Hillary.
You have forgetten that it did end Biden's candidacy. Obama's case was not so clear cut.
I wonder whatever happened to that Biden guy.
You may be right about Obama though. All he did was lift lines from someone else's speech without giving him credit. Totally different.
But, Hillary said Obama is a plagiarist so it must be so:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-i-should-have-credited-lines/
The story that just won't stop giving
Now the Twitterverse is saying that there is no evidence of a "Meredith McIver" on Trump's payroll at least through May 2016 even though other sources say she has been his in-house writer since September 2001... questions being raised as to whether she is another fictional character like John Miller and John Barron.
Some of the funnier tweets have her being the sister of or wife of John Miller or John Barron
I wonder whatever happened to that Biden guy.
He didn't quit politics forever. So?
You may be right about Obama though. All he did was lift lines from someone else's speech without giving him credit. Totally different.
But, Hillary said Obama is a plagiarist so it must be so:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-i-should-have-credited-lines/
Interesting that you purport to go by whatever Clinton says. That would be inconsistent of and very like you.
But no, it was plagiarism, because it was on its face. Know who else said it was? Obama. That's in your very own link, genius. The reason it's not as clear cut is because the source was a friend who gave him permission to use it.
Dismal has never met a strawman he couldn't burn down. Good on ya.
Actually all we know is that after he got caught he said he had permission to use it.
I guess the lesson there is it's safer to plagarize someone who will back up your excuses after the fact.
Actually all we know is that after he got caught he said he had permission to use it.
I guess the lesson there is it's safer to plagarize someone who will back up your excuses after the fact.
It does make more sense to steal from a friend than from your party's epitome of all evil.