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Michael Brown Shooting and Aftermath

Toni said:
Derec's comment was particularly idiotic.
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Isn't language like this against forum rules? Or is it yet another case of "it's ok if you are a leftist"?

Most people engage lawyers to set up their estate in the event of their death. Most of the survivors need the services of an attorney to make certain that the estate is handled in accordance with the law and with the wishes of the deceased.
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And what does that have to do with witnesses to a police shooting lawyering up? Did "Big Mike" leave them the cigarillos in his will or what?
 
Derec said:
Isn't language like this against forum rules? Or is it yet another case of "it's ok if you are a leftist"?

Most people engage lawyers to set up their estate in the event of their death. Most of the survivors need the services of an attorney to make certain that the estate is handled in accordance with the law and with the wishes of the deceased.
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And what does that have to do with witnesses to a police shooting lawyering up? Did "Big Mike" leave them the cigarillos in his will or what?
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Verrrrrrry simple. Do not ever under any circumstances trust policemen these days. Whatever you say will be used against you. Period. True or false, it doesn't matter, it will be used against you if it can. Everyone has a right to have a lawyer present when answering police questions. Even as witnesses.
 
Derec said:
George S said:
Everyone has a right to have a lawyer present when answering police questions. Even as witnesses.
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They didn't have a lawyer (only) while answering police questions, but while being interviewed on TV.
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These witnesses are appearing in the national spotlight most likely for the first time in their entire lives. It's only natural that they are going to be extremely nervous. Hiring a lawyer can help prepare them for a very unknown and intimidating experience. As I stated previously, any time that you are going to be a witness against a police officer you most definitely need a lawyer. I'm sick and tired of hearing that stupid, hackneyed phrase "lawyering up." Every one has a right to seek expert counsel on anything that they are not familiar with. Just because someone seeks counsel does not in any way, shape or form mean that they are guilty of anything.
 
Derec said:
Isn't language like this against forum rules? Or is it yet another case of "it's ok if you are a leftist"?
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I was commenting on your comment, not you as a person.
Most people engage lawyers to set up their estate in the event of their death. Most of the survivors need the services of an attorney to make certain that the estate is handled in accordance with the law and with the wishes of the deceased.
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And what does that have to do with witnesses to a police shooting lawyering up? Did "Big Mike" leave them the cigarillos in his will or what?
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The same as your comment asking whether another poster needed a lawyer to settle his father's estate because he was a witness or participant. As I further pointed out one can be a witness and/or participant in someone else's death and not require the services of a lawyer.
 
Trausti said:
Tom Sawyer said:
And you never get to the dying part from any of that if you're not black.
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Do you have a specific case in mind where someone did those things and did not face serious injury? Bum rushing an armed cop is pretty much Darwin award territory.
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An example:

http://www.kmov.com/news/crime/Poli...ans-basement-assaults-officers-271009211.html

Burglary suspect hiding in a cellar in south St. Louis assaults two police officers, breaking the hand of one of them and kicking the other. No shots fired, no reported injuries to the suspect.
 
Derec said:
Isn't language like this against forum rules? Or is it yet another case of "it's ok if you are a leftist"?
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It attacks the presented idea. Had she called you an idiot, it would be a violation of item 7 of the TOU. I am surprised that due to your long term participation on now 3 successive boards (IIDD, FRDB and now TFT) you somehow feel the need to create a drama around a member referring to the idea you presented as idiotic. Case closed.
Most people engage lawyers to set up their estate in the event of their death. Most of the survivors need the services of an attorney to make certain that the estate is handled in accordance with the law and with the wishes of the deceased.
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And what does that have to do with witnesses to a police shooting lawyering up? Did "Big Mike" leave them the cigarillos in his will or what?
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It has been detailed for you why it is wise for any party dealing with any matter involving law to seek legal counseling. For whatever reason you are dismissing such wisdom applying to anyone involved with a matter related to legal proceedings. Are you that detached from the reality that if Officer Wilson gets indicted by the Grand Jury, eyewitnesses to the shooting will be called to the stand? That any previous statements made to the media by those subpoena eyewitnesses (whether they be defense or prosecution witnesses) can be used against them?

If you still struggle with comprehending the above, it certainly would not be the result of a lack of major efforts deployed by me and other posters to assist you in your comprehension of why it is a wise decision for Tiffany Mitchell to seeking legal counseling via the hiring of a lawyer.

As to your usual style of mocking the deceased person, "Did "Big Mike" leave them the cigarillos in his will or what?", considering that Tiffany Mitchell affirmed in her interview she did not know Brown, obviously her seeking legal counsel via a hired lawyer before making any statements publicly via a major news network would have nothing to do with inheriting assets from the deceased party. Those type of asinine and mocking comments referring to the deceased party add zero value to this discussion.
 
Don't talk to police!
[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc[/YOUTUBE]

Here is a great example from the video. Assume the facts are 100% true.

Fact 1. John lives in town ABC
Fact 2. A crime happen there on Saturday evening
Fact 3. John is a suspect
Fact 4. John was out of town visiting his mother 300 miles away all weekend

You might think at this point John has nothing to fear by talking to police. After all he was out of town and couldn't have possibly committed the crime. He could easily clear this up with them if he just tells the truth.

Fact 5 A witness says she saw John in town on Saturday afternoon.

If John talks to the police and tells them the truth that he wasn't in town ABC all weekend. They now have a witness to contradict his story even though it's 100% true. She could simply be mistaken or have nefarious motives but either way just by John talking to the police and telling them the truth he handed the prosecutor a star witness to contradict his claims on the stand. If he remains silent this witness wouldn't even be called because the fact she saw him in the town he lives that particular afternoon wouldn't be relevant to the crime that happened later that night.
 
repoman said:
Ravensky, did you read the link that I put out in my recent post? The witness said that Brown doubled back and ran towards Wilson.
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Can you point me to the part in the video where the witness says Brown "ran" towards Wilson? I heard him say he was coming towards Wilson but not the "ran" part. Thanks.
 
yes, point conceded. He did say "coming towards" or something very similar, not ran.
 
wow Nexus, I was thinking of submitting that video and that exact same part as well.

this is some lowdown stuff they pull.
 
Since Michael Brown was shot by Officer Darren Wilson on August 9, reporters have called for the release of the incident report Wilson would have filled out according to proper police procedure. But according to the document released to the ACLU, there is no real report. The incident report the Ferguson Police Department has on file has little more than the who, where and when of the shooting. It doesn't say what happened, it doesn't say how, and it wasn't even reviewed by a supervisor until 10 days after Michael Brown died. The report was given final approval on August 20.
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http://www.thewire.com/national/201...review-michael-brown-incidents-report/378972/
 
RavenSky said:
Since Michael Brown was shot by Officer Darren Wilson on August 9, reporters have called for the release of the incident report Wilson would have filled out according to proper police procedure. But according to the document released to the ACLU, there is no real report. The incident report the Ferguson Police Department has on file has little more than the who, where and when of the shooting. It doesn't say what happened, it doesn't say how, and it wasn't even reviewed by a supervisor until 10 days after Michael Brown died. The report was given final approval on August 20.
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http://www.thewire.com/national/201...review-michael-brown-incidents-report/378972/
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Well, there you have it. Case closed.
 
RavenSky said:
Since Michael Brown was shot by Officer Darren Wilson on August 9, reporters have called for the release of the incident report Wilson would have filled out according to proper police procedure. But according to the document released to the ACLU, there is no real report. The incident report the Ferguson Police Department has on file has little more than the who, where and when of the shooting. It doesn't say what happened, it doesn't say how, and it wasn't even reviewed by a supervisor until 10 days after Michael Brown died. The report was given final approval on August 20.
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http://www.thewire.com/national/201...review-michael-brown-incidents-report/378972/
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I think this falls under the 5th amendment.
 
5th amendment for the whole police force? Wilson prbably wasn't in chsrge of the police report but whomever is/was makes it reek of cover-up
 
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5th amendment for the whole police force? Wilson prbably wasn't in chsrge of the police report but whomever is/was makes it reek of cover-up
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No for Wilson specifically. That's why the report doesn't contain any real info - the rest of the force didn't see anything, meanwhile they can work on getting their stories straight.
 
Derec said:
Releasing information not favorable to Brown is not going to affect the possible trial any more than releasing information favorable to him. So why is it ok to release latter, but somehow not ok to release the former?
One reason only: you wanted pro-Brown misconceptions to remain and unfairly shape public perceptions. Shades of Rodney King (where his attacking the police prior to the beating has been ignored) and Trayvon Martin (multiple school suspensions, probable burglary, history of drug use and dealing - imagine if all these facts had been censored).
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If the information being released has no bearing on the actual crime being prosecuted, all it does is add another layer of confusion and bullshit to our incomplete understanding of what happened, when it happened, and why it happened.

Case in point: the slander about Martin you cited. What does Martin's suspension for excessive tardiness have to do with Zimmerman killing him after an armed pursuit and fight on a sidewalk? What does one person's suspicion that a screwdriver was a burglary tool have to do with it? What does Martin's occasional pot-smoking have to do with it? Nothing, nothing, and nothing, and yet it's now part of the narrative, inserted there in order to vilify the unarmed teenaged victim.

If word comes out that the cop was reprimanded for several instances of arriving late for Roll Call, had "borrowed" hedge trimmers in his car, and was known to go skinny-dipping in the reservoir at night, would you call that relevant?
 
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