My Vision Of Gun Control In The USA

[Jarhyn]

Pistols are quite fancy, as firearms go. As are revolvers.

What do you think constitutes a not-fancy firearm?

The kind that you have to put a new bullet in the gun every time you want to fire.

I like the kind you have to throw at someone. That kind isn't often used in suicides, either.

Like, did she not realize that "gun: basic edition" is like, 300 years old?

Then, is it too much to ask that someone at least need to operate a bolt and break their aim when firing from any position but prone before another round goes in?

There are functional behaviors such as full cycle reset that are only necessary to the goal "make a lot of dangerous shit happen a lot of times really fast, in that direction".

Self or public defense against anything less than that requires far less escalation with far less dangerous force.

If someone is armed with a knife, as I pointed out, a chair (a serious downgrade from a knife in terms of deadliness) is enough to stand off the knife wielder.

The same is true against wielders of axes, sticks, blowtorches, and other chairs.

Things start getting sketchy when you get into the realm of polearms, but fighting with a polearms surrounded by obstacles such as desks and chairs and tight spaces is going to be a chore anyway, and the chair-wielder side, if joined by friends, would still probably win out.

A sword would probably do the job of outclassing a simple chair, but it's also quite easy to identify a a sword, or for that matter a polearm, as a "heavy" weapon that doesn't belong in public.

 

[Swammerdami]

Guns don't kill people... people with guns kill people.

Not just with guns (see figure), but yes. People are the problem.

Finally! We agree on something. People are the problem. If we could get you to understand WHICH people are the problem, you'd be making progress.

I'll start you off with an easy question:

(1) Which are more of a problem? (a) People with guns; (b) People without guns.

Many millions of Americans are LGBTQ, including -- Google tells me -- almost half a million Trans. These hundreds of thousands of Americans are subject to bullying. Now we have Republican state governments passing laws to restrict the rights of Trans. Hundreds of Thousands of American Trans have contemplated suicide. Does Google not show that the rate of suicide attempts is 8 times higher among young trans than among the general young? With these hints can you handle another question?

(2) Which are more of a problem? One (1) person (out of half a million trans) with an AR-15? Or the millions of (mostly trump-licking) bigots who bully or persecute trans (and thereby deliberately provoke such breakdowns as in Tennessee)?

I know you've complained about the "trump-licker" meme, but facts are facts. Among those who bully or persecute LGBTQ what percent do you think voted for Biden? for Trump?

And if "trump-licker" is the wrong word for anyone who imagines this sociopathic cretin is even remotely qualified, what term would you suggest? "Objective intellectual"?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

He already did, as every gun is bought by law abiding citizens before it is held by a criminal.

Um... this is not true.

Firearm smuggling is a thing. Like, enough of a thing that a federal agency is tasked with trying to stop it.

Firearm smuggling into the US is not much of a thing. Smuggling out of the US to Mexico is a big thing.

Firearms Trafficking: U.S. Efforts to Disrupt Gun Smuggling into Mexico Would Benefit from Additional Data and Analysis

Para la versión de esta página en español, ver a GAO-21-336. Gun smuggling over the U.S.-Mexican border helps the illegal drug trade and has links to...

www.gao.gov

Once again, cherry-picked reporting. Most guns found in Mexico that they ask for a trace on turn out to be from the US. Most of the time they don't ask, though, because they're models that clearly didn't come from the US.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Not a lot of mass shootings involving a fucking keyboard.

There's a lot of firepower behind this keyboard.

Not to mention the joystick.

Firepower, yes, but she has no guns. She could kill quite a few people, she can't shoot anyone.

 

[thebeave]

Oh, great. Now we're going to have to license and register our keyboards and joysticks.

 

[Patooka]

Oh, great. Now we're going to have to license and register our keyboards and joysticks.

*points to original post*

You're right that people with guns kill people. As do people with knives, blow torches, axes, and fists. Guns certainly make it a bit easier,

You think? Last time I checked Navy SEALs aren't equipped with Honda Civics or fucking Sunbeam Irons. Not a lot of mass shootings involving a fucking keyboard.

But you keep dying on that hill. Because whilst what I just said was a metaphor, it's going to be on your news yet again sometime next week.

Yep clearly, I was advocating keyboards to be licensed and not pointing out how completely full of shit the argument that guns are exactly the same as knives and blowtorches and the gun is "just a tool". There's a snide remark to be made by people who believe such crap, but for the life of me I can't find it.

 

[Tigers!]

Not a lot of mass shootings involving a fucking keyboard.

There's a lot of firepower behind this keyboard.

Not to mention the joystick.

Firepower, yes, but she has no guns. She could kill quite a few people, she can't shoot anyone.

 

[Jarhyn]

Not a lot of mass shootings involving a fucking keyboard.

There's a lot of firepower behind this keyboard.

Not to mention the joystick.

Firepower, yes, but she has no guns. She could kill quite a few people, she can't shoot anyone.

I can't help but there's being an argument made somewhere in this comment chain, possibly a very idiotic argument, that if we ban guns we should ban keyboards and joysticks.

That would, however, be akin to merely the banning of "banana shaped triggers".

The weapon isn't the keyboard. The weapon isn't the gun. The weapon is the fucking drone attached to the keyboard and joystick, and I would just as much ban any device from possession which, as assembled in possession, constitutes "a remote control murder drone", regardless of what it's trigger might be shaped like.

 

[Patooka]

I can't help but there's being an argument made somewhere in this comment chain, possibly a very idiotic argument, that if we ban guns we should ban keyboards and joysticks.

Emily Lake made the argument here that guns aren't the only things that kill people and listed knives and blowtorches can kill also. I pointed out the fallacy in that argument indicating the lethality of guns compared to such objects and snidely remarked that "Not a lot of mass shootings involving a fucking keyboard." Derec, comedic genius that he is, decided to take that literally and the remark has taken a life of its own with gun apologists in the thread believing I want to ban keyboards or some other asinine crap.

I really should have known better. Gun apologists deliberately misinterpret arguments in bad faith all the time. Like how they equate regulating guns with banning all guns. This one is on me, I fucked up here. Apologies.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Not a lot of mass shootings involving a fucking keyboard.

There's a lot of firepower behind this keyboard.

Not to mention the joystick.

Firepower, yes, but she has no guns. She could kill quite a few people, she can't shoot anyone.

Derec goofed up and switched from "mass shooting" to "firepower". I was pointing out the error.

 

[Tigers!]

Not a lot of mass shootings involving a fucking keyboard.

There's a lot of firepower behind this keyboard.

Not to mention the joystick.

Firepower, yes, but she has no guns. She could kill quite a few people, she can't shoot anyone.

Derec goofed up and switched from "mass shooting" to "firepower". I was pointing out the error.

No. Derec reacted as most gun enthusiasts seem to do. Nuance is lost and every one hates them.

 

[Emily Lake]

Incel? Isn't it time to retire that particular stupid insult.

Not while it remains apt.

There's little more dangerous to society than young men who can't get laid and won't countenance masturbation. That's why priests are so infamous for sexual assaults, and why incels are infamous for going postal.

Huh. So the problem is that some young men can't get laid.

And what exactly do you think the solution is?

 

[Emily Lake]

I find it laughable that I made a pretty comprehensive post on what I think would be a reasonable approach to firearms in the US... and nobody at all has responded to it. Instead, a whole bunch of people with an axe to grind have chosen to respond to what was clearly a short quip, and which was posted immediately after my comprehensive post.

SMH

 

[Shadowy Man]

Incel? Isn't it time to retire that particular stupid insult.

Not while it remains apt.

There's little more dangerous to society than young men who can't get laid and won't countenance masturbation. That's why priests are so infamous for sexual assaults, and why incels are infamous for going postal.

Huh. So the problem is that some young men can't get laid.

And what exactly do you think the solution is?

Maybe the solution is in the second half of that sentence?

 

[Jarhyn]

Incel? Isn't it time to retire that particular stupid insult.

Not while it remains apt.

There's little more dangerous to society than young men who can't get laid and won't countenance masturbation. That's why priests are so infamous for sexual assaults, and why incels are infamous for going postal.

Huh. So the problem is that some young men can't get laid.

And what exactly do you think the solution is?

Maybe the solution is in the second half of that sentence?

See, this is why I think that sex education needs to cover common misconceptions about masturbation.

But, Emily Lake both feels very adamant that they should never be educated about masturbation, but they should also not be allowed to see sex.

I can't see that viewpoint having a good end.

 

[Gospel]

If Zip's vision of gun control was a sofa, DeSantis recently Rick James'd it. Everybody can conceal carry in Florida without a permit as of July 1, 2023.

 

[Emily Lake]

If Zip's vision of gun control was a sofa, DeSantis recently Rick James'd it. Everybody can conceal carry in Florida without a permit as of July 1, 2023.

Huh. Florida is late to the party.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/concealed-carry-states

Constitutional Carry States​

In some states, concealed carry is in the form of a Constitutional Carry. Anyone who can legally carry a weapon may do so without a permit. The Constitutional Carry states are Alaska (residents only), Arizona, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, Vermont (does not issue permits), West Virginia (residents only), and Wyoming.

 

[Jarhyn]

Study adds to evidence of ‘dangerous link’ between lead ammunition and child blood lead levels | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

Ten years’ worth of data from Massachusetts shows that children living in communities with higher rates of firearm licensure are more likely to have elevated blood lead levels, according to a study led by Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health’s Christian Hoover, MPH ’23.

www.hsph.harvard.edu

The title says it all.

People who obsess over guns are exposing themselves to lead and abusing their kids.

 

[barbos]

No. This isn't an oppressive state, the government shouldn't be allowed to hide inconvenient news

How is that inconvenient news?
And US government hide Inconvenient news all the time - Snowden.

 

[Patooka]

No. This isn't an oppressive state, the government shouldn't be allowed to hide inconvenient news

How is that inconvenient news?
And US government hide Inconvenient news all the time - Snowden.

Who? I have no idea who you are talking about as I am capitalist pig dog who only watches American news. I've never heard of Edward Snowden. WhAt Is ThE uS gOvErNmEnT hIdIng?!!!!!!!!!oneoneone