# NFL

#### TSwizzle

##### Let's go Brandon!
It was disappointing that Kansas couldn’t make it a closer game. Mahomes did a lot of running around but just couldn’t find an opening in that really good Tampa defense. But what an achievement for Tom Brady.

Buc's D-line were the main cause of the Buc's win, but the terrible one-sided reffing in the first half contributed to it being a boring blowout. And wasn't just that they called a tight game, b/c they failed to call clear defensive PI by the Bucs in the endzone. I know complaints about the refs are always made, but the fact is that it basically doubled the points spread. Even Romo and multiple half time analysts commented on it.

Yeah, there was a bit of that going on.

#### WAB

##### Veteran Member

I swear, if he decides to try and take the hapless Jets to the Silly Bowl for the second time in 50 plus years, I shall still want him to lose. I would want the Brady-Jets to go 0 - 16.

Booooooooooh! Retire already, thou silly excelsior! From hell's heart, I stay at thee!!!!!!!!!!!!12!!!!!! (Holy crap what was that?)

#### blastula

##### Contributor
Several good games so far, especially the prime time ones. But most importantly, the Rams are undefeated after 3 weeks and if they continue this trend, they will win the Super Bowl playing at home going for a perfect season. They just dispatched the reigning champs quite handily. Stafford is clearly an upgrade from Goff. The team is much improved overall, except for their defense which is not yet up to last year's standard.

Their opponent in the SB could also be playing at home, sort of. The Chargers just beat the SB runner up, outplaying the Chiefs in the final minutes. They did try to give the game away with some badly timed penalties, but KC made even worse mistakes. Chargers have for years had issues closing out games that looked like imminent victories. In week 1 against Washington they seemed to vanquish those demons by coming from behind in the last quarter and uncharacteristically holding the lead with a 7 minute drive to end the game. Alas, the next week, it was back to the old Chargers, losing on the last play at "home." Scare quotes because it has never really been home for them in LA. Nobody was really asking for them to go there, and SD fans feel betrayed that they moved to the hated LA rival sports town, so they haven't been eager to make the 3 hour drive. It's been a raw deal for the players, who have had to deal with hostile games at home. Their Dallas game may have had more Cowboys fans, and next week's MNF game likely will be in front of a stadium attendance of 80% or more Raiders fans. Too bad, that KC game was a historically huge win for them, they have a team on the rise, with a promising young coach they sniped from the Rams.

Goff has sadly not exceeded expectations for the Lions, still has the fumbleitis, still in search of a deep passing game, but I'll give him this, that he did get robbed out of a victory last week against the Ravens.

Credit to Tucker for the subsequent 66 yard field goal kick bouncing in off the cross bar to beat them, but so oof for Detroit.

#### WAB

##### Veteran Member
Since the thread has been bumped -

Will someone do the @WAB mention thingy (must add a semi-colon after the name, in case someone isn't aware - I wasn't and tried it many times the wrong way before someone told me how to do it) IF the hapless Jets happen to win a game?

I just checked the standings, and I see they are 0 - 3. No surprise. I would be shocked to see anything different.

I predict (dons prophet hat) that the team will either disappear or transmute into a different team of some kind, or perhaps be taken up in another geographical area, like the Raiders in Vegas - who are winning!

I don't know if I have the heart to keep checking the standings. I am going to try and resist.

I wonder if Joe Namath is still supporting them avidly? I will check. I will support them in spirit, until for hate's sake I spit my last breath at them.

yay jets...ra ra ra... [...and the peasants rejoiced.]

#### hurtinbuckaroo

##### Veteran Member
Several good games so far, especially the prime time ones. But most importantly, the Rams are undefeated after 3 weeks and if they continue this trend, they will win the Super Bowl playing at home going for a perfect season. They just dispatched the reigning champs quite handily. Stafford is clearly an upgrade from Goff. The team is much improved overall, except for their defense which is not yet up to last year's standard.

Their opponent in the SB could also be playing at home, sort of. The Chargers just beat the SB runner up, outplaying the Chiefs in the final minutes. They did try to give the game away with some badly timed penalties, but KC made even worse mistakes. Chargers have for years had issues closing out games that looked like imminent victories. In week 1 against Washington they seemed to vanquish those demons by coming from behind in the last quarter and uncharacteristically holding the lead with a 7 minute drive to end the game. Alas, the next week, it was back to the old Chargers, losing on the last play at "home." Scare quotes because it has never really been home for them in LA. Nobody was really asking for them to go there, and SD fans feel betrayed that they moved to the hated LA rival sports town, so they haven't been eager to make the 3 hour drive. It's been a raw deal for the players, who have had to deal with hostile games at home. Their Dallas game may have had more Cowboys fans, and next week's MNF game likely will be in front of a stadium attendance of 80% or more Raiders fans. Too bad, that KC game was a historically huge win for them, they have a team on the rise, with a promising young coach they sniped from the Rams.

Goff has sadly not exceeded expectations for the Lions, still has the fumbleitis, still in search of a deep passing game, but I'll give him this, that he did get robbed out of a victory last week against the Ravens.

Credit to Tucker for the subsequent 66 yard field goal kick bouncing in off the cross bar to beat them, but so oof for Detroit.

If you’re referring to the TV play clock running out on the previous play, that’s not the official clock. No one on the field (officials, coaches, players) seemed to think the on-field clock had run out, and so far there’s no visual evidence or statement from the league, so it’s very possible that whoever manually syncs the TV clock did a poor job. If the official actually missed a delay of that length, the league has to say something.

#### Jimmy Higgins

##### Contributor
Interesting book for Kraft coming out. Says Brady/himself wanted to replace Belichick with someone else. Says Kraft thinks Belichick is an asshole. Brady wanted larger role in team, to play until 45.

It'll be interesting once the dust settles on what was going on in New England. Honestly, with 6 Super Bowls in 9 appearances, I have a hard time putting much grief at the feet of Belichick. The guy might be an asshole, but he is the best coach ever. Those first three Super Bowls rarely involved the "top team" of the AFC. And if you think about the lineup that beat the Rams... can't name anyone that was remotely HoF territory except Brady on offense. Personally, I'm more wondering about Josh McDaniels who gave up a head coaching spot (generally former Pat coordinators don't head coach too well) to stay in New England, and I haven't seen a reason that he has benefited from it.

#### blastula

##### Contributor
If you’re referring to the TV play clock running out on the previous play, that’s not the official clock. No one on the field (officials, coaches, players) seemed to think the on-field clock had run out, and so far there’s no visual evidence or statement from the league, so it’s very possible that whoever manually syncs the TV clock did a poor job. If the official actually missed a delay of that length, the league has to say something.

Maybe that's it, but the game announcers didn't seem to think that was the explanation. Dungy later that night on his NBC show talked about it as a bad call and also said the clocks are in sync.

Maybe he's misinformed, but these rules experts said it was a definite delay.

There is the issue they talked about that the official making the call will be watching the clock to see it hit zero and then looks over to see if it's been snapped, which will take a split second. That would explain why I see it hit zero all the time for a definite beat without a call, though never for this long.

Anyway, a bit of trivia. The Lions were also the opponent in Dempsey's 63 yard game winner a half century ago.

#### hurtinbuckaroo

##### Veteran Member
I acknowledge that Dungy has an excellent grasp of the rules as they pertain to strategy and other details that a head coach should know. However, I stop short at calling him an expert. He probably doesn't fully know the following rule, which I believe is the key to the whole mystery:

ARTICLE 2. 25-SECOND PLAY CLOCK. In the event of certain administrative stoppages or other delays, a team will have 25
seconds, beginning with the Referee’s whistle, to put the ball in play next by a snap or a kick. Such stoppages include, but are
not limited to
:
(a) a change of possession;
(b) a charged team timeout;
(c) the two-minute warning;
(d) the expiration of a period;
(e) a penalty enforcement;
(f) a Try; or
(g) a Free Kick.
A 25-second interval will be used in these situations, even if the 40-second clock is already counting down.

I've been trying to find out for two days why an official walked into the Ravens' huddle with 18 seconds on the play clock to talk to Lamar Jackson, and left at the 15-second mark, but in any event, interrupting a team's attempt to call the next play would certainly qualify as an "administrative stoppage", and should result in the play clock being reset to 25 seconds.

1) I don't know if the on-field play clock is synced to the TV play clock (the head official at the game also did not know, per his statements after the game, and I'm not taking Dungy's word for it)

2) I don't know if the on-field play clock was reset; I don't even know where they're located

3) I don't know why the NFL hasn't issued a statement about this event already, even if it's just to say "we effed up, sorry about that", which they do frequently.

But I do know that the official wasn't where he was supposed to be, and interfered with the process.

Anyway. If you're into trivia, here are a few more nuggets:

1) The score of the game where Dempsey kicked his FG was 19-17, the same score as the Ravens game.

2) Matt Prater, who had held the record at 64 yards, attempted a 68-yarder about 2 hours before Tucker's kick.

3) Prater's attempt came up short, and was fielded and returned for a 109-yard touchdown, which is ... a new NFL record, and one that will never be broken.

4) Tucker's previous career long was 61 yards, which won a game against, naturally, the Detroit Lions.

#### blastula

##### Contributor
I didn't say Dungy was an expert, but Blandino and Pereira are. Yes, the NFL should say something to clarify.

I did see the 109 yarder. That guy Agnew is good, had a 102 yard one the week before, has 7 career return TDs and is just in his 5th year.

#### Elixir

The Broncos are 3-0. But the three teams they have beaten don't have a single win between them.

Today they get the 2-1 Ravens so we shall see if they're anything like for real.
Teddy Bridgewater has been really surprising to me; he seems to be a great fit and a really good leader, making quick decisions and protecting the ball... and the defense is statistically the best in the league at this point. Von Miller looks to have returned to his old form.
I'm optimistic that they are the best Broncos team since Peyton Manning played for them, despite a lot of early injuries.

#### hurtinbuckaroo

##### Veteran Member
The Broncos are 3-0. But the three teams they have beaten don't have a single win between them.

Today they get the 2-1 Ravens so we shall see if they're anything like for real.
Teddy Bridgewater has been really surprising to me; he seems to be a great fit and a really good leader, making quick decisions and protecting the ball... and the defense is statistically the best in the league at this point. Von Miller looks to have returned to his old form.
I'm optimistic that they are the best Broncos team since Peyton Manning played for them, despite a lot of early injuries.

Ravens have added a few more injured players to their league-leading total, this time more guys in the secondary. But the Broncos’ top two receivers are out, and the Ravens get their defensive line back from COVID quarantine. Should be interesting.

But maybe not as interesting as Brady vs. Belichick tonight. The soap opera continues.

#### Jimmy Higgins

##### Contributor

Always has to be a battle. The Patriots were in nine Super Bowls because of Brady and Belichick. Both are New England legends forever.

#### Tharmas

##### Veteran Member
For WAB - hey, your Jets won in overtime!

And, although I know it's still early, I have to ask
How 'Bout Them Cowboys??

Are they really that good?

#### Jimmy Higgins

##### Contributor
NFC North, three teams at 3-1... and Pittsburgh is 1-3.

Patriots defense of old tonight. Giving up yards and clock... but only giving up mostly field goals. Bucs are leading, but it is within reach.

Meanwhile, Buffalo 3-1, given up 44 points.

#### hurtinbuckaroo

##### Veteran Member
NFC North, three teams at 3-1... and Pittsburgh is 1-3.

Patriots defense of old tonight. Giving up yards and clock... but only giving up mostly field goals. Bucs are leading, but it is within reach.

Meanwhile, Buffalo 3-1, given up 44 points.

AFC North.

Is it my imagination, or are a lot of the Patriots’ defensive players really small?

#### Jimmy Higgins

##### Contributor
NFC North, three teams at 3-1... and Pittsburgh is 1-3.

Patriots defense of old tonight. Giving up yards and clock... but only giving up mostly field goals. Bucs are leading, but it is within reach.

Meanwhile, Buffalo 3-1, given up 44 points.

AFC North.
NFC North. The NFL just resorted all the teams to help me save face.

Is it my imagination, or are a lot of the Patriots’ defensive players really small?
I noticed a few defensive players on both teams rushing that looked more like Safeties, but played like linebackers.

Pats game ended up quite entertaining. All I need really... that and beating the Jets. Field goal hit the posts, but the Pats benefited from a couple surplus bad calls on that drive, so it all balances.

#### blastula

##### Contributor
Good news for the Rams, they get to start a new winning streak next game. Bad news is, mfing Arizona and Murray are very good.

#### Jimmy Higgins

##### Contributor
Good news for the Rams, they get to start a new winning streak next game. Bad news is, mfing Arizona and Murray are very good.
Can someone explain how the Cardinals are so good? It just seemed to sneak up on me.

#### hurtinbuckaroo

##### Veteran Member
Good news for the Rams, they get to start a new winning streak next game. Bad news is, mfing Arizona and Murray are very good.
Can someone explain how the Cardinals are so good? It just seemed to sneak up on me.

A mobile QB who throws well, and other offensive weapons got them started. This year, their defense has apparently improved.

#### blastula

##### Contributor
An image that me makes me laugh on several levels, but too arcane for that thread.

#### hurtinbuckaroo

##### Veteran Member
Here’s the full list of the 31 Browns starting quarterbacks since they re-entered the NFL in 1999: Tim Couch, Ty Detmer, Doug Pederson, Spergon Wynn, Kelly Holcomb, Jeff Garcia, Luke McCown, Trent Dilfer, Charlie Frye, Derek Anderson, Ken Dorsey, Brady Quinn, Bruce Gradkowski, Colt McCoy, Jake Delhomme, Seneca Wallace, Brandon Weeden, Thaddeus Lewis, Jason Campbell, Brian Hoyer, Johnny Manziel, Connor Shaw, Josh McCown, Austin Davis, Robert Griffin III, Cody Kessler, DeShone Kizer, Kevin Hogan, Tyrod Taylor, Baker Mayfield, Case Keenum (as of tonight).

#### hurtinbuckaroo

##### Veteran Member
An image that me makes me laugh on several levels, but too arcane for that thread.

Now that's funny. Calling a Hall of Famer (one of only 8 tight ends) and 3-time Super Bowl champion a "washed up wanna be". And yeah, that was a boneheaded play.

#### none

##### Banned
Banned
Try walking around Disneyland with a bag of heroin.

#### blastula

##### Contributor
Last week was the first week of the season without any great or wild games. But we're back on track in week 8 with yesterday's GB-AZ game.

AZ had a perfect record on the line and GB had a 7 game winning streak coming in. Some big names were missing though. Hopkins hardly played, and GB's starting receivers were out. Both offenses struggled in the first half, with GB up by 3 at intermission. Things got going in the second half with both teams scoring on consecutive TD drives, with AZ cutting the lead to 3 again and kicking off with under 11 minutes to go in the game. GB goes on a 6 minute drive to get first and goal at the AZ one with about five minutes to play. On first down, Jones took the ball and was tackled right at the goal line with the refs signaling a touchdown. I thought YES, game over! Good for my Rams!

But upon review, Jones was called down short of a score. Jones runs it again for no gain. On 3rd down, GB had some confusion and couldn't get set in time and got a delay of game call, which they couldn't avoid as they had no time outs left. On the third down replay, Rogers tried to scramble and take it in himself putting his head down going for the line but is stopped just short. On 4th down, Rogers's pass is batted down incomplete. Bummer, but they still had the lead and AZ has go to 99 yards with 3:30 to go beat them.

Murray then proceeds to drive the team for 12 plays to the GB 5 with 15 ticks left. This is setting up to be a signature moment for Murray and AZ. And then this happened,

Douglas was on AZ's practice squad a few weeks ago.

Thank you, Rasul and GB!

*The final 10:45 of the game is also on youtube.

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##### Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
I'm not usually big on talking about sports and I know this is college ball and not the NFL. But, damn, this was a helluva game.

#### Harry Bosch

##### Contributor
I'm not usually big on talking about sports and I know this is college ball and not the NFL. But, damn, this was a helluva game.

Agreed! That was a great game. As much as I liked it though, we were dying though waiting for it to end while the Oregon vs Colorado game was playing!

#### Harry Bosch

##### Contributor
I wouldn't worry about the Jets. I predict that they have a bright future. They have like 10,000 future draft picks! They traded a slightly better than average safety for two 1st round picks and a third pick from my clueless Seahawks.

#### Jimmy Higgins

##### Contributor
So Patriots get their first win over a team that doesn't suck this past weekend. Ignoring two huge runs, they effectively shutdown the Chargers offense. Mac Jones had a few great throws, but appeared to be a bit off on several other throws, but the running game worked on Sunday. Their kicker Folk is also proving to be extraordinarily reliable.

For most football fans, the scary thing is the Pats can still technically finish 12-4, and I know some people are starting to sweat that possibility as the Patriots continue gain cohesion. But the Patriot fans shouldn't hold their breath... for a while. The best 2-4 NFL team is now 4-4.

Meanwhile, Cleveland is learning about how being 4-4 is disappointing, is actually not so bad because it means there is hope. It also demonstrates what I was saying in the pre-season. The whole fait accompli that some fans have with the playoffs and their team being 'just right'. Browns lost to the Steelers, which is a bad sign as it was the first of six division games in a very tight AFC North. Their QB Isn't the best, but adequate enough to work with one of the best QB groups in the league. But their coaching, still in my mind, is their greatest weakness.

#### blastula

##### Contributor
NE always manages to field a solid defense regardless of what is going on with their other side.

The Jets are hardly the worst team right now, I would give Houston that honor. They blow at every facet of the game, except maybe kicking. The Jets get to play them later, and should get another win, they won't be in running for #1 pick this year.

The Rams won't have any picks of any kind soon, they keep gambling them away on the right now, having just traded for Von Miller. His health is questionable but if healthy is very welcome help for their porous defense, which just gave up 22 to the Texans, albeit mostly late using a lot of subs, but still, Houston hadn't scored a TD in 2 games, and only 4 in last 5 games.

I've seen Rams ranked high in some power rankings, but they have a very tough schedule coming up.

Tennessee
@ San Francisco
@ Green Bay
Jacksonville
@ Arizona
Seattle
@ Minnesota
@ Baltimore
San Francisco

It's the 3rd toughest according to ESPN. AZ at 11th, while GB, TB and Dallas are in the bottom half of that list.

KC has had a big dropoff from conference champs, barely beating the Giants, only with the help of penalties.

#### TSwizzle

##### Let's go Brandon!
Uh-oh, Packers QB Aaron Rodgers tests positive for Covid and will miss Sunday's game against the Chiefs. Hmm, I'm not too worried as the Chiefs are not at their best right now.

#### Jimmy Higgins

##### Contributor
Well, like clockwork, OBJ having issues with the Browns organization because the Browns aren't as good as he thinks he makes them, therefore it is their fault. If Mayfield could just throw the ball to him more often when he is double-covered, they'd win more games.

Time for Tampa to sign OBJ.