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I like it when a couple of fans get to the point where the rush is gone and they kind of don't know what they are doing.

Regardless, never have football crew or players do a job an NHL linesman should be doing. I remember seeing this live. Glen Wesley gets a high stick, bleeds... should be a penalty, but doesn't happen. There is a delay. Then a faceoff is about to happen, when a fan (who had a warrant(s) outstanding) decides to scale over the plexiglass onto the rink. He was knocked into next week (about 3:50).

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I thought it was stupid to go for it on 4th & goal when you're only down a field goal.
 

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Another COVID outbreak for the Browns, including the head coach, which will keep him out of the playoff game.
 

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SB picks. My surest pick is that the AFC will win it all. It's much harder to decide between KC, Buf, Bal. It's tempting to go against KC since they have not been so dominating, but I'll pick them because I like the Mahomes-Kelce combo, believe they will make the plays they need. But it's close. Allen-Diggs is great too, and Bal has been hot and they have the best defense of them.

Going with GB out of NFC, not because I like them that much, but that everyone else has bigger problems.

I hate that I picked the favorites.

Got to hand it to Brady this year though, had an almost quiet 40 td season, but I am amused that he will be on the road against a 7-9 team. My Rams may win one game, they play Seattle well, but that's it. Goff has a broke thumb and I don't like him with a healthy one. I can tell you why if you ask nicely. Not confident in the backup neither, but I am hoping to be surprised. And maybe the defense can carry them. They did beat TB earlier, and maybe they can do it again. They are getting Whitworth back.... Yeah, they can do it, they can totally do it!
 

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Washington’s very capable defensive line needs to make Brady as uncomfortable as possible as soon as possible.
 

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Rams number one defense wins this game. Quite impressed...but they are really banged up. Buffalo hung on, but now every team left can run right at them. KC has to be favs, but there is that Steelers team that was unbeatable earlier...if they still exist. Might be a Packers year...but the game is played on the field.
 

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Taylor Heinicke played well. I wonder if he'll get either a starting or backup job somewhere next season.
 

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Taylor Heinicke played well. I wonder if he'll get either a starting or backup job somewhere next season.

Great mobility, good decision making, adequate arm strength. He’ll be in demand as a backup at least.

Ducking under the blitzer who jumped up to block a pass was an awesome play. First time I’ve ever seen that.
 

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Predictions for today. Ravens, Saints, Steelers, but don't for the love of god put any money on these games because of my expertise.
 

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Enjoyed Heinicke's dive for the pylon. Reminds me of the Rams backup Wolford, but maybe more skilled. Wolford started yesterday but went down in 1st with a scary neck injury. They had only gimpy thumbed Goff on bench, the third qb woulld have been Bortles anyway. Goff did not turn it over so did as well as one could hope I suppose. He did struggle mightily at first, but that may have helped him in the end, because SEA overplayed the run and he connected on a couple of easy play actions that helped seal the win. The D's performance was not a surprise as they have long been successful at getting to Wilson. DC Staley will probably be sniped for a HC job soon. :( Of more immediate concern is Donald's rib injury which kept him out of the 4th. There has been no update on him which does not bode well. Maybe the bigger problem is they play GB next if NO wins, TB otherwise. Brady looked like old young Brady Saturday. Either team will be difficult.

My biggest hope for today is that the Browns DESTROY the Steelers, next that the Ravens vanquish their Titan demons, and that CHI sends Payton home. Apologies to fans of those teams for the jinx.
 

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Steelers looking like the Keystone Kops. What a horrendous start.

But the Ravens also started poorly, and throttled the Titans after that. As good as Lamar Jackson was today, the Ravens' defense was even better. Holding Derrick Henry to 40 yards on 18 carries, when he averages over 140/game, and giving up only 209 total yards, was an awesome performance.
 

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Browns scored a lot because Steelers looked like some Peewee Squad. Steelers had some sense knocked into them at Halftime, Browns look like they are in danger.

ESPN pct calculator has Browns chance of winning about 93% at the end of the 3rd quarter. I'd put it more like 33%.
 

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Browns scored a lot because Steelers looked like some Peewee Squad. Steelers had some sense knocked into them at Halftime, Browns look like they are in danger.

ESPN pct calculator has Browns chance of winning about 93% at the end of the 3rd quarter. I'd put it more like 33%.
Glad to see that my post lit a fire under their asses. ;)
 

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That is the worst beatdown for a quarter at least I'm sure I have ever seen. If I had known my wish would come true, I wouldn't have wasted it on the Browns.

Good to see Jackson finally win a playoff game and come from 10 points down. I can see he's learned a lot from Brady -- don't shake hands after the game.

Also, I want my pony dammit.

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Good to see Jackson finally win a playoff game and come from 10 points down. I can see he's learned a lot from Brady -- don't shake hands after the game.

That didn't come from Brady. Lamar always pays respects to the opponent, unless they're a bunch of classless a-holes like the Titans, including their coach. There's some history behind that non-handshake.

As for Brady, it seems to depend on which way the wind is blowing:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-shake-hands-with-certain-people-after-games/
 

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Good to see Jackson finally win a playoff game and come from 10 points down. I can see he's learned a lot from Brady -- don't shake hands after the game.

That didn't come from Brady. Lamar always pays respects to the opponent, unless they're a bunch of classless a-holes like the Titans, including their coach. There's some history behind that non-handshake.

As for Brady, it seems to depend on which way the wind is blowing:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-shake-hands-with-certain-people-after-games/

Yeah I saw him talk about it after, didn't see the Titans initial desecration of the logo but I did see this one, it was quite exuberant.

And I'm not really down with all that handshaking afterwards anyway, even in the before times, too much camaraderie with the enemy.

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Wow, Steelers shit the bed. How does a five time pro-bowl center like Pouncey manage to hike the ball five feet over his 6ft 4 inch quarterback? And on the goal line no less. Ummm..Vegas odd makers took a beating last night.
 

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That is the worst beatdown for a quarter at least I'm sure I have ever seen. If I had known my wish would come true, I wouldn't have wasted it on the Browns.

Good to see Jackson finally win a playoff game and come from 10 points down. I can see he's learned a lot from Brady -- don't shake hands after the game.

Also, I want my pony dammit.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/CoachGioo/status/1348484741759197184[/TWEET]
Not as bad, but I recall the Ravens got up 21-0 against the Patriots, in New England, a number of years ago in the playoffs.

*google*

It was 2009, they were up 24-0 at the end of the first quarter. If you ignore that, the Patriots won 14-9 with the remaining points to be scored. So technically, the Patriots won 3/4's of the game. Heck, the Ravens only threw for 34 yards in that cold game.
 

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Wow, Steelers shit the bed. How does a five time pro-bowl center like Pouncey manage to hike the ball five feet over his 6ft 4 inch quarterback? And on the goal line no less. Ummm..Vegas odd makers took a beating last night.

They were on the 22 yard line, not the goal line. He really launched it.

Vegas doesn’t care who wins, as long as the wagers are relatively equal.
 

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Not as bad, but I recall the Ravens got up 21-0 ngland, a number of years ago in the playoffs.
against the Patriots, in New E
*google*

It was 2009, they were up 24-0 at the end of the first quarter. If you ignore that, the Patriots won 14-9 with the remaining points to be scored. So technically, the Patriots won 3/4's of the game. Heck, the Ravens only threw for 34 yards in that cold game.

I wouldn't doubt there's been worse drubbings, just mean what I remember watching myself. I also didn't see Ravens beat the Rams 45-6 last year. I figured it would be over by halftime, and couldn't bear to watch, still haven't watched any of it.

Unrelated, I have some good news for you, Jimmy. Belichick has finally joined the Antifa Deep State. Hoping he starts a trend.

Bill Belichick spurns Presidential Medal of Freedom offer from Trump - CNNPolitics
 

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Not as bad, but I recall the Ravens got up 21-0 ngland, a number of years ago in the playoffs.
against the Patriots, in New E
*google*

It was 2009, they were up 24-0 at the end of the first quarter. If you ignore that, the Patriots won 14-9 with the remaining points to be scored. So technically, the Patriots won 3/4's of the game. Heck, the Ravens only threw for 34 yards in that cold game.

I wouldn't doubt there's been worse drubbings, just mean what I remember watching myself. I also didn't see Ravens beat the Rams 45-6 last year. I figured it would be over by halftime, and couldn't bear to watch, still haven't watched any of it.

Unrelated, I have some good news for you, Jimmy. Belichick has finally joined the Antifa Deep State. Hoping he starts a trend.

Bill Belichick spurns Presidential Medal of Freedom offer from Trump - CNNPolitics
Yeah, I did get to see the Ravens manhandle the Patriots on the running game. So unfair. :(

But yeah, I was impressed that the Son of Satan himself refused the award from Trump. In Bill I trust. :)
 

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Outlook not good for Rams. Donald is hurting, only had one light practice day. Hard to push the OL without using your rib muscles. Will affect the whole D as he takes special attention. Their best wr Kupp may not even play. Goff has a screwed together thumb, and he has a horrid record in cold weather to boot. It would take a near perfect effort for a healthy Rams team to beat GB anyway. Best chance is some turnovers, but Rodgers doesn't turn it over. Yet, last time they played GB in playoffs they got 8 takeaways, so there is precedent. :)

Going with the underdog Bal later, the running game will be too much for Buf.

Cle will not outscore KC.

NO over TB, despite every announcer's favorite old wives tale that it's hard to beat a team a third time. Would love to see NO lose though, hopefully on a blown pi call.
 

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I can't blame Goff for the Rams loss, no turnovers, and he played legitimately good, except maybe in the 4th taking some sacks instead of finding someone. I blame Donald's untimely injury, he hardly played, but mostly blame Roders's freakish ability to make accurate throws while under pressure.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1350577309074350080?s=20[/TWEET]

This is a nice hook and ladder for a 2 pt converson by the Rams but also their last sniff at the game at the end of third to pull within 7,

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1350590553319120898?s=20[/TWEET]

Was feeling okay until 9 game minutes later when GB scored again. Next year will have an uncertain qb sitch, and we just lost our DC to LAC of all teams, damn traitors. Oh well.

Thought the Ravens should have kept to the run more, but that pick 6 killer was a bad choice by Jackson. Huntley played well, like Jackson's twin. He made a good throw to Andrews in the end zone who just missed it.

Chad Henie played well too, but what a ballsy call by Reid though on 4th down. Not sure if it was right. They did show that they successfully made that same play on a 4th down against Miami.

If TB can pick off as many against Rodgers as they did on Brees, who's also int-stingy, they will win. Otherwise, no.

With Mahomes questionable, Bills have a great opportunity to finally exorcise all their SB demons.
 

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I saw it coming, but thought you'd try to hard bark a first down, and with 2 to 5 seconds left, act to turn as if to start calling a time out, and hike the ball.

Buffalo v Kansas City should be interesting with Mahomes as major question mark both with a concussion and a bad ankle. Browns have a good defense... Bills have a better one.
 

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Homage paid by Brady to Green Bay great Favre was definitely bringing tears to fans' eyes while watching Brady recklessly tossing the ball up in the air with a sack incoming and being an interception.

Chiefs handled Bills easily. Tampa overcomes second half collapse and one of the worst coach calls in the history of football with the very late and useless, unless they score a touchdown in the final 15 seconds, field goal.

The holding penalty was a dive, but the guy clearly grabbed the jersey and the ref had to be thinking, I can't be the one to end the game... but he blatantly grabbed the jersey... but they should settle it on the field... but the player sailed off into the air because the defender grabbed so much of the jersey that it caught the wind like a sail!

Brady in the Super Bowl again led to nation wide suicide alert.
 

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The analytics on the FG decision is interesting. The Packers had a 10% chance of winning if they went for it on 4th down, which would require:

  • scoring from the 8 in only one try
  • scoring from the 2 in only one try (the 2-point conversion needed to tie the game)
  • stopping the Bucs from driving into FG range with 2 minutes left
  • winning in OT, where they might never possess the ball

vs. 9% by kicking the FG, which would require:

  • making the chip shot FG (98% probability)
  • stopping the Bucs when their intent would be to simply run out the clock (and GB had all three of their timeouts)
  • driving for a touchdown with plenty of time left on the clock, if they held the Bucs to a 3-and-out.

So it wasn't a gutsy call, i.e. the easy call that would leave people saying "he played to win" regardless of the outcome, but it was far from a bad call.

Consider also the Packers' results inside the TB 10-yard line to that point:
  • touchdown pass (8 yards)
  • incomplete pass
  • incomplete pass
  • incomplete pass
  • field goal
  • run for no gain
  • incomplete pass
  • touchdown pass (2 yards)
  • failed 2-point conversion
  • incomplete pass
  • incomplete pass
  • incomplete pass

That's pretty bad.
 

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The analytics on the FG decision is interesting. The Packers had a 10% chance of winning if they went for it on 4th down, which would require:

  • scoring from the 8 in only one try
  • scoring from the 2 in only one try (the 2-point conversion needed to tie the game)
  • stopping the Bucs from driving into FG range with 2 minutes left
  • winning in OT, where they might never possess the ball

vs. 9% by kicking the FG, which would require:

  • making the chip shot FG (98% probability)
  • stopping the Bucs when their intent would be to simply run out the clock (and GB had all three of their timeouts)
  • driving for a touchdown with plenty of time left on the clock, if they held the Bucs to a 3-and-out.

So it wasn't a gutsy call, i.e. the easy call that would leave people saying "he played to win" regardless of the outcome, but it was far from a bad call.
I hate the analytic percentage crap. Life doesn't operate like that. In a game, it is what is certain.

The Packers had the ball at the 8 yard line. This was a guarantee. They would not be guaranteed ever having the ball back again in that game. So they have the ball for likely one play (barring a penalty) that close to the goal line. If they don't go for a touchdown, they may never have another chance, and they definitely lose. These are facts. And a strong argument to go for it.

Add to that, the position on the field. If they fail, Tampa has the ball deep in their own end. If Green Bay's defense holds, Green Bay gets the ball back near mid-field. Not the greatest, but when the risk of failure can put the other team deep in their own end... and the benefit is a touchdown, there is absolutely no reason to no go for it.

If they kick a field goal, Tampa almost certainly gets better field position, making Green Bay likely to get the ball back twenty plus yards further back, with no more time on the clock to make up that distance. Yes, a touchdown at that point wins, but you've got 60 to 70 yards to cross with almost no timeouts and very little clock. So the benefit is nearly an assured 3 pts and if you score a TD if you get the ball back, you win. But Tampa gets better field position meaning Rodgers gets worse position, minus an Interception or Fumble.

Going for it was the only viable option. Of course...

Consider also the Packers' results inside the TB 10-yard line to that point:
  • *a lot of failure*
This does imply, it wouldn't have worked, but going for it was the only reasonable option as failure in converting was minimal, giving Tampa the ball inside their own ten.
 

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The analytics on the FG decision is interesting. The Packers had a 10% chance of winning if they went for it on 4th down, which would require:

  • scoring from the 8 in only one try
  • scoring from the 2 in only one try (the 2-point conversion needed to tie the game)
  • stopping the Bucs from driving into FG range with 2 minutes left
  • winning in OT, where they might never possess the ball

vs. 9% by kicking the FG, which would require:

  • making the chip shot FG (98% probability)
  • stopping the Bucs when their intent would be to simply run out the clock (and GB had all three of their timeouts)
  • driving for a touchdown with plenty of time left on the clock, if they held the Bucs to a 3-and-out.

So it wasn't a gutsy call, i.e. the easy call that would leave people saying "he played to win" regardless of the outcome, but it was far from a bad call.
I hate the analytic percentage crap. Life doesn't operate like that. In a game, it is what is certain.

The Packers had the ball at the 8 yard line. This was a guarantee. They would not be guaranteed ever having the ball back again in that game. So they have the ball for likely one play (barring a penalty) that close to the goal line. If they don't go for a touchdown, they may never have another chance, and they definitely lose. These are facts. And a strong argument to go for it.

Add to that, the position on the field. If they fail, Tampa has the ball deep in their own end. If Green Bay's defense holds, Green Bay gets the ball back near mid-field. Not the greatest, but when the risk of failure can put the other team deep in their own end... and the benefit is a touchdown, there is absolutely no reason to no go for it.

If they kick a field goal, Tampa almost certainly gets better field position, making Green Bay likely to get the ball back twenty plus yards further back, with no more time on the clock to make up that distance. Yes, a touchdown at that point wins, but you've got 60 to 70 yards to cross with almost no timeouts and very little clock. So the benefit is nearly an assured 3 pts and if you score a TD if you get the ball back, you win. But Tampa gets better field position meaning Rodgers gets worse position, minus an Interception or Fumble.

Going for it was the only viable option. Of course...

Consider also the Packers' results inside the TB 10-yard line to that point:
  • *a lot of failure*
This does imply, it wouldn't have worked, but going for it was the only reasonable option as failure in converting was minimal, giving Tampa the ball inside their own ten.

You have to make it, then make the 2-point conversion, then keep Brady from moving the team 40 yards in 2 minutes, then hope you win the coin toss in OT. Say what you want about analytics, but when it gives you a 10% vs. 9% choice, and your team has looked like crap near the goal line, and your defense has stepped up big-time in the 2nd half, you have to consider the options. Analytics are also the reason why coaches are going for it on 4th down a lot more than they ever did, so they're obviously taking it seriously. I won't say his choice was right, but it wasn't the worst I've seen by any stretch (that honor belongs to Mike Vrabel).
 

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Certainly, without a doubt, being down 8 pts is the issue against them. And they need to overcome that, which is the source of the low percentage.

But the chances of scoring a touchdown if they don't regain possession without a Pick 6? 0%! That simple. They have the ball, they have to go for it and take that risk.
 

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Yeah, have to agree, I mean your already in the red zone....now if only you had a good quarterback?????? Gotta wonder what Rogers was thinking when they sent on the kicking team?
 

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And they were down 8 because they went for 2 in the 3rd quarter. One of my biggest peeves of the NFL today is going for 2 too early in the game, since it relies on the other team not scoring or scoring in just the right way the rest of the game, which hardly ever happens, and then you end up in a situation like they were in.

If some nextgendork stats says I'm wrong :moonie:
 

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I don't buy into analytics either. Too many things to account for in a sport as complex as football.

I do think that the Packers did some dumb things, but I don't really have a problem with taking the field goal on 4th & Goal from the 8 when you have all your time outs, the 2 minute warning and your defense is playing fairly well. Rodgers should have scrambled on 3rd down. What I have a problem with is getting themselves in that situation in the first place. Down by 8, I'm okay with cutting the lead so you don't need a 2pt conversion when you have a realistic chance of getting the ball back with some time to operate.

What's with the single high safety at the end of the first half. It's not such a problem if they have to settle for a field goal, but if you didn't turn over the ball in the first place you wouldn't have had that problem. GB had a chance to double up on the Bucs, but ended up giving up 14 points instead, due to turnovers.

Where was the running game? Play-action is more likely to work if the Bucs have to at least consider the run. They could get pressure with 4, and drop 7 in coverage, that's not good if you want to move your offense, even with a future hall of famer at QB.

What's with the 3 & outs after those 2nd half interceptions? Can't you at least get a field goal out of those 2 turnovers? They turned theirs into TDs; you should have scored at least once.

Davante Adams drops that pass & they end up having to settle for 3.

Another dropped interception in the 2nd half. Opportunity missed, again.

12 men on the field after a time out? Did they forget how to count, or who should have been on the field?

Refs not calling holds against the Bucs when they are holding the receivers, but finally decide to throw the flag on a play that decides the game.
 

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Refs not calling holds against the Bucs when they are holding the receivers, but finally decide to throw the flag on a play that decides the game.

And one very blatant hold was the direct cause of the interception that allowed Tampa to score just before halftime. That one bad call had a larger impact on win probability than the decision to kick that field goal.
 

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So Tampa Bay verses Kansas City in the Super Bowl. Tampa has one of the best under-rated QBs in the NFL this year. This late round Draft prospect wasn't resigned by his last team, but managed to get signed in Tampa Bay to a short contract. Despite these shortcomings, he has helped lift Tampa into the Super Bowl by winning every playoff game on the road in near empty stadiums, which has never been done before, as stadiums historically had people in them during the playoffs.

Tampa Bay face a team in Kansas City who just don't lose too often. Kansas City hasn't lost a playoff game since they last lost a playoff game. Their tight end in Kelce is the best Tight End in the NFL whose IQ is higher than the length of his arm in inches (see Gronkowski). Their QB is Patrick Mahomes whose success is rooted in throwing and running the football, being able to out scramble incoming defenses and throwing the ball to wide open receivers after the defensive backs have fallen asleep because the play has been going on for hours.

Tampa Bay's key to winning will be to make Mahomes less effective, by like breaking his leg. Kansas City's offensive line will need to stop that from happening. Kansas City defense will need to be prepared to handle Gronkowski, a former WWE title holder, though will likely follow Buffalo's defense's plan which held Gronkowski to limited numbers by throwing around shiny beads.

Kansas City will no doubt be the favorites and it'll be up to Tampa Bay's QB to rely on his determination as an underdog and his very limited 9 previous Super Bowl appearances to help Tampa Bay overcome Kansas City's dominance

Trivia:
Tampa Bay - Only team who's name is a body of water and not a city.
Kansas City - Play in Missouri... not Kansas.

Line:
Kansas City - 3.1416
Over/Under - Over
 

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Probability guides just about everything we do in life, from taking medication to wearing masks in public. But try to apply it to sportsball and everyone turns into Han fucking Solo.

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Probability guides just about everything we do in life, from taking medication to wearing masks in public. But try to apply it to sportsball and everyone turns into Han fucking Solo.

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"Never tell me the odds!"
That's an awesome reference, but in defense of those skeptical of sports win probabilities, odds as a decision basis are only as good as the % of all contextual factors they take into account. With your mask example, there are not contextual factors that switch the odds from favoring wearing to not wearing. With sports, there is often ignored context that could be enough to change the odds.

In the current case, the contextual factors actually make the small odds advantage of going for it much larger. The odds are often averaged across teams and seasons, so they can ignore the fact that Tampa has a below average red-zone defense while GB had the #1 red-zone offence in the game, and some argue the best in NFL history. Also, most 4th and goal from the 8 situations are due to the defense being better than the offense (b/c otherwise the offense would have scored already on the first 3 plays). So, the models assume this and ignore or underweight the reality of the actual situation where GB is better in that situation, but just failed to capitalize on scoring chances on 2 of those plays (a pass right into receivers chest that was dropped, and Rogers could have run it in or got within 2 yards). Plus, I think there was a hold on the 3rd of those plays. So, Tampa was not shutting the Packers down in that goal-to-go series as is often the case in typical 4th and goal situations that skew the stats towards not attempting it a 4th time.

General odds are only a starting point to set the Bayesian probabilities prior to taking the particular situational factors and constraints into account.
 

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And they were down 8 because they went for 2 in the 3rd quarter. One of my biggest peeves of the NFL today is going for 2 too early in the game, since it relies on the other team not scoring or scoring in just the right way the rest of the game, which hardly ever happens, and then you end up in a situation like they were in.

If some nextgendork stats says I'm wrong :moonie:

Agreed. Missing the point after touchdown can come back to haunt you later in a game. It's not unreasonable that this was one of the things that the NFL considered when moving the line of scrimmage for the PAT back to the 15. PATs were almost automatic when the 2 was the line of scrimmage. Getting teams to go for 2 more often is another.

I tend to side with the more conservative coaches on their 4th down calls. I do think again it varies by game situation.
 

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So Tampa Bay verses Kansas City in the Super Bowl. Tampa has one of the best under-rated QBs in the NFL this year. This late round Draft prospect wasn't resigned by his last team, but managed to get signed in Tampa Bay to a short contract. Despite these shortcomings, he has helped lift Tampa into the Super Bowl by winning every playoff game on the road in near empty stadiums, which has never been done before, as stadiums historically had people in them during the playoffs.

Tampa Bay face a team in Kansas City who just don't lose too often. Kansas City hasn't lost a playoff game since they last lost a playoff game. Their tight end in Kelce is the best Tight End in the NFL whose IQ is higher than the length of his arm in inches (see Gronkowski). Their QB is Patrick Mahomes whose success is rooted in throwing and running the football, being able to out scramble incoming defenses and throwing the ball to wide open receivers after the defensive backs have fallen asleep because the play has been going on for hours.

Tampa Bay's key to winning will be to make Mahomes less effective, by like breaking his leg. Kansas City's offensive line will need to stop that from happening. Kansas City defense will need to be prepared to handle Gronkowski, a former WWE title holder, though will likely follow Buffalo's defense's plan which held Gronkowski to limited numbers by throwing around shiny beads.

Kansas City will no doubt be the favorites and it'll be up to Tampa Bay's QB to rely on his determination as an underdog and his very limited 9 previous Super Bowl appearances to help Tampa Bay overcome Kansas City's dominance

Trivia:
Tampa Bay - Only team who's name is a body of water and not a city.
Kansas City - Play in Missouri... not Kansas.

Line:
Kansas City - 3.1416
Over/Under - Over

lol Does Fox sports need a commentator.
 

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So do people hate Tampa this year, or is that not a thing now?

People hate winners. I hated the Cowboys and 49ers. I loved the Pats. It is stupid and irrational. But congrats to Brady. Did pretty well last night, though not as well as Tampa’s defensive line.
 

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It was disappointing that Kansas couldn’t make it a closer game. Mahomes did a lot of running around but just couldn’t find an opening in that really good Tampa defense. But what an achievement for Tom Brady.
 

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It was disappointing that Kansas couldn’t make it a closer game. Mahomes did a lot of running around but just couldn’t find an opening in that really good Tampa defense. But what an achievement for Tom Brady.

Buc's D-line were the main cause of the Buc's win, but the terrible one-sided reffing in the first half contributed to it being a boring blowout. And wasn't just that they called a tight game, b/c they failed to call clear defensive PI by the Bucs in the endzone. I know complaints about the refs are always made, but the fact is that it basically doubled the points spread. Even Romo and multiple half time analysts commented on it.
 
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