Noah’s Ark Found!!

[crazyfingers]

...multitudes of floating ice like colossal hail-stones from space melting at the precise moment into large volumes of water pouring onto the earth?

How is the hail supposed to make it past the sky ocean and turtles?

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[SLD]

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Meanwhile keep consoling and encouraging each other, as you do ..since your "intellectual " come backs requires a lot more than spatial reasoning to be offended by it.

You could have chosen to use "multivariable differential calculus" instead of "spatial reasoning" and your post would have made just as much sense.

It would make more sense if certain individuals can stop thinking of biblical miracles. But they need it to debate with.lol the irony

The good ole biblical miracle paradox. Someone tries to claim that there is evidence for their miracle, so it happened... but when the evidence is either debunked or shown to be inadequate, they fall back on it being a miracle and it is about faith not science.

The YEC tale has a few branches. It was a local flood and/or the ground was relatively low in the beginning to the global flood led to plate tectonics moving (see Peleg).

Typically flood narrative evidence can at best try to target one tiny part of the hypothetical. There is no mass amount of evidence to support a global flood at all (at least, not during the time of man). Geology is absolutely bankrupt of Noah Flood evidence. People will reference any number of asterisks in Earth geology here or there, typically where a geologic catastrophe did occur, but the dots never add up in aggregate. The worst part of geological evidence for global flooding is that we have all sorts of geologic evidence for ice dam related inundations or how bedrock truly looks when formed very quickly (Mt. St. Helens eruption). In general, the entire geologic record is incompatible with a violent flood from soil to bedrock.

People will reference all of the flood narratives across the world. But all civilizations bloomed around rivers, and flooding rivers are a thing, so there is no particular value to denoting flood narratives when catastrophic flooding has likely occurred around many civilizations quite naturally. And with the localized shape of the narratives, it'd be hard to understand how the same flood could have led to each of those diverging narratives. It should be noted that the original flood believed to have helped form a unified China way back when has recently had evidence spring up to support it.

So, then we fall back to 'it is a miracle' we don't need science to back it. Until it creeps back.

 

[pood]

Does @Learner even understand where rain comes from? That it is water that evaporates and later condenses again and comes down as rain?

The people who wrote the Noah narrative did not understand this. They thought that there was a solid “firmament” surrounding the earth with a shit ton of more water above it and that God, pissed off at humanity, opened some kind of trap doors to release all this water to flood the earth to above the mountaintops.

Absent this idiotic account, there is no way the earth ever could be wholly flooded.

@Learner, do you think the earth is surrounded by a firmament above which a shit ton of more water is stored, and that God opened the trap doors of the firmament to flood the earth to above the mountaintops?

If so, why have our astronauts never encountered any such firmament or water above it?

And why do you think it is that the geologic record decisively disproves that there was EVER a global flood, not in the lifetime of man or in the lifetime of the world?

 

[southernhybrid]

Another thing about the fairy tale about Noah's ark is that back in those days humans had no understanding of the size of the earth, so a flood that covered a large area could easily be perceived as covering the entire earth. I get that in ancient times lots of things simply weren't known or discovered yet, so it makes some sense that the people in those days had no understanding regarding the impossibility of a flood covering the entire earth, when they had no idea how large the earth actually was. Plus humans really love myths.

Still calling someone 600 years old is insane unless years were defined differently then. It's just hard for me to understand how people still take this stuff literally when there is no evidence that any of it happened and it's really like a child's fairy tale.

 

[Elixir]

calling someone 600 years old is insane unless years were defined differently then.

Or, if they’ve been dead for 500 or more of them.
Philip II of Spain will be 500 years old this coming May.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Fuck the Ark. I can prove the feasibility of the Rapunzel narrative using cutting-edge science. The barest outline:

> A full head of hair = about 100,000 hairs, which, taken together as a single cord, can support TWO TONS of weight (google this, skeptics), so that her prince would've had to be one enormous fatass to have pulled the hair out of her head.
> A modern counterpart is of course Crystal Gayle; since we know humans in antiquity often lived 600+ years, ipso goddamn facto the hair growth necessary to reach from a moderate-sized tower to the ground is surely possible.
> Theologians who have studied the earliest Rapunzel texts conclude that she combined "hair from above" (Haare om Oberkopf) with "hair from down below" (Haare om Po) to produce a cord of seemingly wondrous tensile strength. Although it must've hurt.
> Excavations in a peat bog in Baden-Wurttemberg in 1981 uncovered a long fibrous mass, at first thought to be a strange viny moss, but carbon dating supports the notion that it is, in fact, Rapunzel's hair, which she apparently cut short after her rescue. The locals have a yearly festival around the mass, which is kept in the local Rathaus and is called Rapunzels reich Ernte, or Rapunzel's Bounty.
> GOD DID IT, WHEEEEEEEE!!!

 

[Bronzeage]

Premature poo pooing like pood are we?

I did say you don't need the bible to use that particular reasoning looking at the significance of the ratios. Again..the obsession to oppose the bible just hinders you. Eventually making one look daft.

Looking at the rations tells that there is only enough water on this planet to raise sea level to what it is.

Not enough water you say when a large 71% of the earth is already covered?. How much more water makes it unfathomable to you for the rest of the earth to be covered? That's pretty much a world flood ...almost.

Simple common sense from spatial relationships between the large earth mass and all the oceans. Water covering the earth is but a thin film layer compared to the gargantuan size of the earths mass. By the simple deduction ...not really a lot more water would be needed to cover the whole earth when these are compared....a very easy to understand mode of awareness.

Meanwhile keep consoling and encouraging each other, as you do ..since your "intellectual " come backs requires a lot more than spatial reasoning to be offended by it.

You could have chosen to use "multivariable differential calculus" instead of "spatial reasoning" and your post would have made just as much sense.

It would make more sense if certain individuals can stop thinking of biblical miracles. But they need it to debate with.lol the irony

Simple deductions can be misleading. What we are talking about is the increase in radius of a sphere. The Earth is a sphere, more or less, and the question is, how much water would be required to raise the radius of the sphere and cover exposed land,

I'm not going to do the arithmetic, but the formula for the volume of a sphere is V=(4/3) π r³. The simple deduction in this case is, to raise the water level by 10(choose any unit, meters, feet, etc), the volume will increase by a factor of 1000.

Whether this constitutes a "not really a lot more water" is more philosophy than geometry.

 

[Elixir]

to raise the water level by 10(choose any unit, meters, feet, etc), the volume will increase by a factor of 1000.

That would be applicable to sea levels
if all the water was at the same depth in a static container. Neither is the case.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Actually, it might be funnier that the global flood can't explain how we have freshwater lakes. It's the kind of thing that doesn't take a lot of thought to realize the massive problems with it. Like flat Earth.

 

[bilby]

Still calling someone 600 years old is insane unless years were defined differently then.

I vaguely recall reading long ago that the enormous ages assigned to various Old Testament characters may be simply a mis-translation of "years" for "months", from an era when a lunar calendar was more commonly used.

If this is so, then a 600 month old Noah would be fifty years old; Methuselah at 969 months would be eighty (and three quarters) years old at his death.

 

[Elixir]

A full head of hair = about 100,000 hairs, which, taken together as a single cord, can support TWO TONS of weight (google this, skeptics), so that her prince would've had to be one enormous fatass to have pulled the hair out of her head.

Easy there, Tonto!
It would pull her scalp off. The two tons is what it would take to break the hair. But I wouldn’t bet on even a 1200 pound Prince to be able to climb a lot. What the Princess really needs is a cleat she can put a couple loops on before lowering the rest.

 

[Elixir]

Still calling someone 600 years old is insane unless years were defined differently then.

I vaguely recall reading long ago that the enormous ages assigned to various Old Testament characters may be simply a mis-translation of "years" for "months", from an era when a lunar calendar was more commonly used.

If this is so, then a 600 month old Noah would be fifty years old; Methuselah at 969 months would be eighty (and three quarters) years old at his death.

83 years would have been like, 5 generations!
Or, to the most recent of the 5, about 600 years.

 

[ideologyhunter]

A full head of hair = about 100,000 hairs, which, taken together as a single cord, can support TWO TONS of weight (google this, skeptics), so that her prince would've had to be one enormous fatass to have pulled the hair out of her head.

Easy there, Tonto!
It would pull her scalp off. The two tons is what it would take to break the hair. But I wouldn’t bet on even a 1200 pound Prince to be able to climb a lot. What the Princess really needs is a cleat she can put a couple loops on before lowering the rest.

My faith is stronger than your physics.
Also, I need time to come up with a new backup story.

 

[Bronzeage]

to raise the water level by 10(choose any unit, meters, feet, etc), the volume will increase by a factor of 1000.

That would be applicable to sea levels
if all the water was at the same depth in a static container. Neither is the case.

Are you saying the volume of a sphere is not related to the cube of the radius?

 

[Elixir]

to raise the water level by 10(choose any unit, meters, feet, etc), the volume will increase by a factor of 1000.

That would be applicable to sea levels
if all the water was at the same depth in a static container. Neither is the case.

Are you saying the volume of a sphere is not related to the cube of the radius?

No, I’m saying that depending on levels, the amount of water needed ro raise sea levels is variable due to terrain. Different amounts of water on the earth’s surface are displaced by solid matter at different levels. Once it’s ALL submerged, subsequent increases should follow the formula (discounting tidal bulges, flattened poles etc)

 

[steve_bank]

Water seeks its own level, or energy distributes itself to minimize potential differences.

AI Overview

Yes, planets form into spheres primarily to minimize their gravitational potential energy.
In physics, systems naturally progress toward the lowest possible energy state. For a massive object, a perfect sphere represents the most efficient configuration because it minimizes the average distance between all of its constituent particles, thereby minimizing the total gravitational potential energy of the system.

Back in the 70s a JW told me the water was underground under pressure and broke loose.

The Wizard If O is playing on TV. A great mythological tale with a moral. Dorothy and a talking lion, a talking scarecrow, and a man with a metal body on a journey of self discovery.

An epic battle between good and evil.

A man who people think is a god is just a man.


Maybe in 3000 years people will think it really happened.

 

[Bronzeage]

to raise the water level by 10(choose any unit, meters, feet, etc), the volume will increase by a factor of 1000.

That would be applicable to sea levels
if all the water was at the same depth in a static container. Neither is the case.

Are you saying the volume of a sphere is not related to the cube of the radius?

No, I’m saying that depending on levels, the amount of water needed ro raise sea levels is variable due to terrain. Different amounts of water on the earth’s surface are displaced by solid matter at different levels. Once it’s ALL submerged, subsequent increases should follow the formula (discounting tidal bulges, flattened poles etc)

As I said in the original post, "The Earth is a sphere, more or less". Whatever correction factors which would be needed to get a more precise answer to a hypothetical question, it would still be a lot more water than "not really a lot more water".

 

[Tigers!]

Still calling someone 600 years old is insane unless years were defined differently then.

I vaguely recall reading long ago that the enormous ages assigned to various Old Testament characters may be simply a mis-translation of "years" for "months", from an era when a lunar calendar was more commonly used.

If this is so, then a 600 month old Noah would be fifty years old; Methuselah at 969 months would be eighty (and three quarters) years old at his death.

That will not work as Mahalalel & Enoch had children at 65. That means they would have been about 5 1/2 years old.

 

[bilby]

Still calling someone 600 years old is insane unless years were defined differently then.

I vaguely recall reading long ago that the enormous ages assigned to various Old Testament characters may be simply a mis-translation of "years" for "months", from an era when a lunar calendar was more commonly used.

If this is so, then a 600 month old Noah would be fifty years old; Methuselah at 969 months would be eighty (and three quarters) years old at his death.

That will not work as Mahalalel & Enoch had children at 65. That means they would have been about 5 1/2 years old.

Sure it works. Men can father children at 65 years, and errors need not be consistent.