RavenSky
The Doctor's Wife
Tamir Rice was buried today.
Tamir Rice was buried today.
What is wrong with you? Wanting police to wait more than 2 seconds for a child to react when that child is not pointing his replica fire arm at someone is not saying "don't shoot 12 year olds".Because I'm not at all sure this is something that can be handled by training.
You can't simply say "don't shoot 12 year olds" because sometimes that 12 year old really does mean to shoot the cop.
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Why aren't you calling for more and better training for police? Frankly, there is a serious problem in the U.S. with unarmed people being shot by police officers, often for no reason other than poor training/panic on the part of the heavily armed police officers.
How are law enforcement armed and trained in other countries?
Because I'm not at all sure this is something that can be handled by training.
You can't simply say "don't shoot 12 year olds" because sometimes that 12 year old really does mean to shoot the cop.
I believe that outside a controlled situation people should handle realistic replica weapons as if they were real.
The basic difference I see in our approaches is that you want to address every issue by means of the state, not by means of personal responsibility. I want the order the other way around--the default approach is personal responsibility, the state steps in in the cases where this is not enough.
Another thing that could be handled by training is having the 911 operator convey all the information to the responding officers and not withholding something vital like . . . oh, that the caller said it's probably a toy gun.
Another thing that could be handled by training is having the 911 operator convey all the information to the responding officers and not withholding something vital like . . . oh, that the caller said it's probably a toy gun.
Unreliable evidence like this isn't likely to be reported to the officer.
"The guy keeps pulling it out," the 911 caller continues. "It's probably fake, but you know what, he's scaring the (expletive) out of (inaudible). ... He's sitting on the swing right now, but he keeps pulling it in and out of his pants and pointing it at people. Probably a juvenile, you know? … I don't know if it's real or not, you know?"
http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/cleveland/2014/11/24/listen--911-caller-reports-tamir-rice-incident/19479083/
Unreliable evidence like this isn't likely to be reported to the officer.
"The guy keeps pulling it out," the 911 caller continues. "It's probably fake, but you know what, he's scaring the (expletive) out of (inaudible). ... He's sitting on the swing right now, but he keeps pulling it in and out of his pants and pointing it at people. Probably a juvenile, you know? … I don't know if it's real or not, you know?"
http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/cleveland/2014/11/24/listen--911-caller-reports-tamir-rice-incident/19479083/
What makes the part of the report about Rice pointing a gun at people reliable, but the part that he was "probably a juvenile" and that the gun was "probably fake" unreliable? How does a police dispatcher tell the difference between the reliable and unreliable parts of a 911 call and determine which parts to pass along to the responding officers?
"The guy keeps pulling it out," the 911 caller continues. "It's probably fake, but you know what, he's scaring the (expletive) out of (inaudible). ... He's sitting on the swing right now, but he keeps pulling it in and out of his pants and pointing it at people. Probably a juvenile, you know? … I don't know if it's real or not, you know?"
http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/cleveland/2014/11/24/listen--911-caller-reports-tamir-rice-incident/19479083/
What makes the part of the report about Rice pointing a gun at people reliable, but the part that he was "probably a juvenile" and that the gun was "probably fake" unreliable? How does a police dispatcher tell the difference between the reliable and unreliable parts of a 911 call and determine which parts to pass along to the responding officers?
We have one fact: Pulling the gun out and pointing it at people.
We have reasonable guess: Juvenile. (One can generally tell a 12 year old from an adult.)
We have one wild ass guess: Fake. The caller provided no indication as to an observation that said it was fake, he was simply going on juvenile + behavior. The dispatcher was right to not pass that along.
It sounds like a case of a kid having fun scaring people with a gun.
He tried it on a cop.
Wrong. We have a report of him doing that. BTW, when Rice was shot, his replica gun was in his waistband: he was not pointing the gun at anyone.We have one fact: Pulling the gun out and pointing it at people.
Just like the 'fact' of the guy in the Walmart pointing the pellet gun at people, even though the video shows no such thing.Wrong. We have a report of him doing that. BTW, when Rice was shot, his replica gun was in his waistband: he was not pointing the gun at anyone.We have one fact: Pulling the gun out and pointing it at people.
"The guy keeps pulling it out," the 911 caller continues. "It's probably fake, but you know what, he's scaring the (expletive) out of (inaudible). ... He's sitting on the swing right now, but he keeps pulling it in and out of his pants and pointing it at people. Probably a juvenile, you know? … I don't know if it's real or not, you know?"
http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/cleveland/2014/11/24/listen--911-caller-reports-tamir-rice-incident/19479083/
What makes the part of the report about Rice pointing a gun at people reliable, but the part that he was "probably a juvenile" and that the gun was "probably fake" unreliable? How does a police dispatcher tell the difference between the reliable and unreliable parts of a 911 call and determine which parts to pass along to the responding officers?
We have one fact: Pulling the gun out and pointing it at people.
We have reasonable guess: Juvenile. (One can generally tell a 12 year old from an adult.)
We have one wild ass guess: Fake. The caller provided no indication as to an observation that said it was fake, he was simply going on juvenile + behavior. The dispatcher was right to not pass that along.
It sounds like a case of a kid having fun scaring people with a gun. He tried it on a cop.
A toy gun. Even the person who called it in said it was probably a toy gun."The guy keeps pulling it out," the 911 caller continues. "It's probably fake, but you know what, he's scaring the (expletive) out of (inaudible). ... He's sitting on the swing right now, but he keeps pulling it in and out of his pants and pointing it at people. Probably a juvenile, you know? … I don't know if it's real or not, you know?"
http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/cleveland/2014/11/24/listen--911-caller-reports-tamir-rice-incident/19479083/
What makes the part of the report about Rice pointing a gun at people reliable, but the part that he was "probably a juvenile" and that the gun was "probably fake" unreliable? How does a police dispatcher tell the difference between the reliable and unreliable parts of a 911 call and determine which parts to pass along to the responding officers?
We have one fact: Pulling the gun out and pointing it at people.
Black Boys Viewed as Older, Less Innocent Than Whites, Research FindsWe have reasonable guess: Juvenile. (One can generally tell a 12 year old from an adult.)
Which WE HAVE A VIDEO THAT PROVES HE DID NOT.We have one wild ass guess: Fake. The caller provided no indication as to an observation that said it was fake, he was simply going on juvenile + behavior. The dispatcher was right to not pass that along.
It sounds like a case of a kid having fun scaring people with a gun. He tried it on a cop.
It is beyond fucked up to think it is capital offense to fail to immediately obey a police officer.
It is fucked up to think that to disobey orders while holding a gun with cops ISN'T risking getting shot.
Is there an age thing in the Second Amendment?
Seems legit.The Constitution said:A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed for those of legal voting age.
Is there an age thing in the Second Amendment?
Cleveland police officers forced Tamir Rice's 14-year-old sister to the ground, handcuffed her and placed in the back of a Cleveland police car steps away from her wounded 12-year-old brother.
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As the girl neared her brother, Loehmann's partner, Frank Garmback confronted her and forced her to the ground. Loehmann rushed over, and the two knelt beside her as she rolled on the ground. Eventually the officers handcuffed the girl and placed her in the back of the police cruiser, less than 10 feet from her dying brother.
Officers then stood around Tamir as he lay wounded. One officer had his hands on his hips when a man, identified by police as an FBI agent who was in the neighborhood, entered the frame and administered first aid. It was the first medical care the boy received in the four minutes that followed the shooting.
Paramedics did not arrive until about eight minutes after the shooting. Much of what happened to Tamir after the shooting is blocked by Garmback and Loehmann's squad car. The paramedics can be seen working as officers stand around the boy.