Police Misconduct Catch All Thread

[ZiprHead]

WATCH: Here's The Body Cam Video LAPD Tried To Keep Under Wraps
The police were responding to a domestic violence call -- about a white man.

You can see why the the Los Angeles City Attorney's office didn't want this LAPD video made public. They claimed it would "be contrary to LAPD policy and may have a chilling effect on future LAPD investigations."

Why? Because they rolled up to the scene of a domestic violence call and immediately assumed Antone Austin, the Black man putting out the trash, was the perpetrator. Even though the subject of the original call was white and so was his girlfriend.

U.S. Magistrate Jacqueline Chooljian ordered the video to be released over the city's objections, and you can see why.

 

[Rhea]

That right there is why we kneel.

BOTH the actions of the officers and the department’s desire to hide it.

 

[ZiprHead]

Police accused of threatening, pulling gun on Black Army lieutenant during Virginia traffic stop
U.S. Army Lt. Caron Nazario told police he was “honestly afraid to get out” of his SUV, according to video of the incident. "You should be,” one officer said.

All the details are in the link. Not looking so good for the cops.

 

[Jarhyn]

Police accused of threatening, pulling gun on Black Army lieutenant during Virginia traffic stop
U.S. Army Lt. Caron Nazario told police he was “honestly afraid to get out” of his SUV, according to video of the incident. "You should be,” one officer said.

All the details are in the link. Not looking so good for the cops.

This will be interesting... The military is going to look out for it's own here, and we'll find out if the courts care more about cops than the military.

 

[southernhybrid]

Police accused of threatening, pulling gun on Black Army lieutenant during Virginia traffic stop
U.S. Army Lt. Caron Nazario told police he was “honestly afraid to get out” of his SUV, according to video of the incident. "You should be,” one officer said.

All the details are in the link. Not looking so good for the cops.

This has been all over the news this weekend. It's also disturbing is that it's been kept under wraps since December. I've watched the entire video and it's still hard to believe how they treated a man who they had no right to even pull over in the first place. He had a legal temporary tag on his car. He drove a mile to be in a well lit area, which is perfectly legal. I've been Yet there are still people who post here who deny that systemic racism is a problem across the US, in many police departments. Too many police in the US are nothing but vicious thugs.

 

[ZiprHead]

Police accused of threatening, pulling gun on Black Army lieutenant during Virginia traffic stop
U.S. Army Lt. Caron Nazario told police he was “honestly afraid to get out” of his SUV, according to video of the incident. "You should be,” one officer said.

All the details are in the link. Not looking so good for the cops.

This has been all over the news this weekend. It's also disturbing is that it's been kept under wraps since December. I've watched the entire video and it's still hard to believe how they treated a man who they had no right to even pull over in the first place. He had a legal temporary tag on his car. He drove a mile to be in a well lit area, which is perfectly legal. I've been Yet there are still people who post here who deny that systemic racism is a problem across the US, in many police departments. Too many police in the US are nothing but vicious thugs.

I don't know that I can attribute any of this to racism. I think it's more that the driver didn't "respect my authoritah!"

 

[Jarhyn]

Police accused of threatening, pulling gun on Black Army lieutenant during Virginia traffic stop
U.S. Army Lt. Caron Nazario told police he was “honestly afraid to get out” of his SUV, according to video of the incident. "You should be,” one officer said.

All the details are in the link. Not looking so good for the cops.

This has been all over the news this weekend. It's also disturbing is that it's been kept under wraps since December. I've watched the entire video and it's still hard to believe how they treated a man who they had no right to even pull over in the first place. He had a legal temporary tag on his car. He drove a mile to be in a well lit area, which is perfectly legal. I've been Yet there are still people who post here who deny that systemic racism is a problem across the US, in many police departments. Too many police in the US are nothing but vicious thugs.

I don't know that I can attribute any of this to racism. I think it's more that the driver didn't "respect my authoritah!"

So, I might also mention it might be both. Small towns that only exist because there's a post there tend to get really shitty about both the post and black people.

Assuming an officer is a specialist likely because they are black is also really fucked.

 

[southernhybrid]

And, here's another one that looks like it could have been handled without killing the suspect.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/11/us/brooklyn-center-minnesota-police-shooting.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

A 20-year-old Black man died after a police officer shot him during a traffic stop in a Minneapolis suburb on Sunday, sending hundreds of people into the streets where they clashed with police officers into Monday morning.

The protests in Brooklyn Center came hours before the 11th day of the trial of Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer who has been charged with murdering George Floyd, began in a courtroom less than 10 miles away.

Outside of the Brooklyn Center Police Department on Sunday night, smoke billowed into the air as a line of police officers fired rubber bullets and chemical agents at protesters, some of whom lobbed rocks, bags of garbage and water bottles at the police. Mayor Mike Elliott of Brooklyn Center ordered a curfew until 6 a.m., and the local school superintendent said the district would move to remote learning on Monday “out of an abundance of caution.”

Chief Tim Gannon of the Brooklyn Center Police Department said an officer had shot the man on Sunday afternoon after pulling his car over for a traffic violation and discovering that the driver had a warrant out for his arrest. As the police tried to detain the man, he stepped back into his car, at which point an officer shot him, Chief Gannon said.

The man’s car then traveled for several blocks and struck another vehicle, after which the police and medical workers pronounced him dead. Chief Gannon did not give any information on the officer who fired, nor did he say what the warrant was for or how severe the crash had been, though the passengers in the other car were not injured. The chief said he believed that officers’ body cameras had been turned on during the shooting.

Mr. Wright’s mother, Katie Wright, told reporters that her son had been driving a car that his family had just given him two weeks ago and that he had called her as he was being pulled over.

So, it's okay to kill a suspect because he has an outstanding warrant, or because he gets back into his car, or maybe plans to flee? I guess many of our police seem to think it's okay to shoot most anyone who doesn't comply with their orders. Sorry, but there is no reason why the police couldn't have followed the man and/or even taken him into custody at a later date. And, sure, maybe it wasn't racist, just because it was another young Black man, but it sure is starting to look that way.

I watched Jonathan Capehart. yesterday on MSNBC. He said that as a Black man in the US, his greatest fear is being pulled over by the police. I sure can understand that these days, and it's sad that even a person like Capehart, has to live in fear of the police.

 

[Elixir]

So, it's okay to kill a suspect

Full stop.
No Property Damage required.

 

[laughing dog]

And, here's another one that looks like it could have been handled without killing the suspect.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/11/us/brooklyn-center-minnesota-police-shooting.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

A 20-year-old Black man died after a police officer shot him during a traffic stop in a Minneapolis suburb on Sunday, sending hundreds of people into the streets where they clashed with police officers into Monday morning.

The protests in Brooklyn Center came hours before the 11th day of the trial of Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer who has been charged with murdering George Floyd, began in a courtroom less than 10 miles away.

Outside of the Brooklyn Center Police Department on Sunday night, smoke billowed into the air as a line of police officers fired rubber bullets and chemical agents at protesters, some of whom lobbed rocks, bags of garbage and water bottles at the police. Mayor Mike Elliott of Brooklyn Center ordered a curfew until 6 a.m., and the local school superintendent said the district would move to remote learning on Monday “out of an abundance of caution.”

Chief Tim Gannon of the Brooklyn Center Police Department said an officer had shot the man on Sunday afternoon after pulling his car over for a traffic violation and discovering that the driver had a warrant out for his arrest. As the police tried to detain the man, he stepped back into his car, at which point an officer shot him, Chief Gannon said.

The man’s car then traveled for several blocks and struck another vehicle, after which the police and medical workers pronounced him dead. Chief Gannon did not give any information on the officer who fired, nor did he say what the warrant was for or how severe the crash had been, though the passengers in the other car were not injured. The chief said he believed that officers’ body cameras had been turned on during the shooting.

Mr. Wright’s mother, Katie Wright, told reporters that her son had been driving a car that his family had just given him two weeks ago and that he had called her as he was being pulled over.

So, it's okay to kill a suspect because he has an outstanding warrant, or because he gets back into his car, or maybe plans to flee? I guess many of our police seem to think it's okay to shoot most anyone who doesn't comply with their orders. Sorry, but there is no reason why the police couldn't have followed the man and/or even taken him into custody at a later date. And, sure, maybe it wasn't racist, just because it was another young Black man, but it sure is starting to look that way.

I watched Jonathan Capehart. yesterday on MSNBC. He said that as a Black man in the US, his greatest fear is being pulled over by the police. I sure can understand that these days, and it's sad that even a person like Capehart, has to live in fear of the police.

The police really screwed up this time. Unless the warrant was for some violent felony, this was unnecessary. Not only that, but the victim was mortally wounded but still got in the car, and drove off, then crashed into a parked vehicle.

 

[southernhybrid]

The police chief in the above case said that this latest shooting was an accident. He claimed that the cop meant to use his taser but he accidentally used his gun instead. If that's the case, they sure have some incompetent police in that department. And, if it's true, shouldn't the officer be charged with involuntary manslaughter?

 

[southernhybrid]

Here's the article about the "accidental" shooting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/12/us/brooklyn-center-police-shooting-minnesota.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

The police officer who killed a man in a Minneapolis suburb on Sunday did so accidentally, officials said Monday, releasing a graphic body-camera video that appeared to depict the officer shouting, “Taser!” before firing her gun.

“It is my belief that the officer had the intention to deploy their Taser, but instead shot Mr. Wright with a single bullet,” Chief Tim Gannon of the Brooklyn Center Police Department said of the shooting on Sunday of Daunte Wright, 20, during a traffic stop. “This appears to me, from what I viewed, and the officer’s reaction and distress immediately after, that this was an accidental discharge that resulted in a tragic death of Mr. Wright.”

The officer, who was not publicly identified, has been placed on administrative leave, officials said. Chief Gannon said that Mr. Wright had been initially pulled over because of an expired registration on the vehicle he was driving. The video showed a brief struggle between Mr. Wright and police officers before one of the officers fired her gun.

After the officer fired, she is heard on the video saying, “Holy shit. I just shot him.”

In the hours after the shooting on Sunday afternoon, protests, violence and looting broke out in Brooklyn Center, a suburb of 30,000 people north of Minneapolis. The shooting comes amid a national reckoning over police misconduct and the killings of Black people by the police; Mr. Wright was Black. City officials did not identify the race of the police officer.

Damn.

 

[Toni]

What I'm reading on the internet is a great deal of misbelief that such an accidental confusion was possible. Some are pointing to a potential coverup. Some are pointing to extreme failure in training.

I haven't been able to find an up to date statistic of the number of people killed by tasers, but it's well over 1000.

We have GOT to change how policing is done.

 

[Trausti]

What I'm reading on the internet is a great deal of misbelief that such an accidental confusion was possible. Some are pointing to a potential coverup. Some are pointing to extreme failure in training.

I haven't been able to find an up to date statistic of the number of people killed by tasers, but it's well over 1000.

We have GOT to change how policing is done.

There's no cover up. It's just incompetence.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVH6q0ul72A&feature=emb_title[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Jarhyn]

What I'm reading on the internet is a great deal of misbelief that such an accidental confusion was possible. Some are pointing to a potential coverup. Some are pointing to extreme failure in training.

I haven't been able to find an up to date statistic of the number of people killed by tasers, but it's well over 1000.

We have GOT to change how policing is done.

I'm going to relate a story as happened to me.

The year was 2007 and I was in BCT. The whole platoon was at this mockup of a small residential area, with furnished houses about what you might expect in a slum of some kind.

We had all been armed with chalk/paint round rifle receivers, armored, and we're doing clearance drills, complete with battering rams.

Now the army being what it is, I was and still am a fairly slight person so of course they gave me, the smallest in the team, the battering ram.

So, in the course of clearing this house, I batter down the door, and have to scurry immediately out of the way so the team can pour in. Easy enough, I do this a few times.

But on the last time, I managed to end up through the door with my rifle facing the wrong way, barrel to the back.

How did this happen? Well, long story short, in the action of stowing the 15 pound battering ram, and get into the room, I grabbed the magazine rather than the handle. With gloves and adrenaline, my other hand felt the other protrusion (the handle) and felt it as the magazine. The whole thing, with the pistol grip they had instructed us to add to the rifles, made the thing sit securely against my shoulder, and I couldn't tell the difference.

But it was pretty obvious on camera, as all the rooms had closed circuit tv.

I can absolutely understand how muscle memory and adrenaline would combine to grabbing, and not identifying, a gun rather than a taser.

To me, the solution to shootings happening in lieu of tastings, would seem to be "don't have a gun there in the first place."

 

[repoman]

What I'm reading on the internet is a great deal of misbelief that such an accidental confusion was possible. Some are pointing to a potential coverup. Some are pointing to extreme failure in training.

I haven't been able to find an up to date statistic of the number of people killed by tasers, but it's well over 1000.

We have GOT to change how policing is done.

There's no cover up. It's just incompetence.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVH6q0ul72A&feature=emb_title[/YOUTUBE]

Shouldn't tasers be neon yellow (at least the tip when out of the holster) and have other differences to real guns?

This could be a good cop who had a 1 in 10,000 brain fart. With more tweaking of the tasers these accidents should be even more rare.


In others job you can accidentally think you have a pen but actually have a box cutter and all that happens is you need a band-aid for a few days.

 

[Trausti]

What I'm reading on the internet is a great deal of misbelief that such an accidental confusion was possible. Some are pointing to a potential coverup. Some are pointing to extreme failure in training.

I haven't been able to find an up to date statistic of the number of people killed by tasers, but it's well over 1000.

We have GOT to change how policing is done.

There's no cover up. It's just incompetence.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVH6q0ul72A&feature=emb_title[/YOUTUBE]

Shouldn't tasers be neon yellow (at least the tip when out of the holster) and have other differences to real guns?

This could be a good cop who had a 1 in 10,000 brain fart. With more tweaking of the tasers these accidents should be even more rare.


In others job you can accidentally think you have a pen but actually have a box cutter and all that happens is you need a band-aid for a few days.

Aren't tasers yellow or bright orange? She just completely fucked up. There's no excuse for this. On the Woke side, this time it was a woman cop. Celebrate diversity.

 

[Gospel]

What I'm reading on the internet is a great deal of misbelief that such an accidental confusion was possible. Some are pointing to a potential coverup. Some are pointing to extreme failure in training.

I haven't been able to find an up to date statistic of the number of people killed by tasers, but it's well over 1000.

We have GOT to change how policing is done.

There's no cover up. It's just incompetence.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVH6q0ul72A&feature=emb_title[/YOUTUBE]

Shouldn't tasers be neon yellow (at least the tip when out of the holster) and have other differences to real guns?

This could be a good cop who had a 1 in 10,000 brain fart. With more tweaking of the tasers these accidents should be even more rare.


In others job you can accidentally think you have a pen but actually have a box cutter and all that happens is you need a band-aid for a few days.

It's already been established that police can't tell a toy gun from a real one. The same seems to apply to tasers. But no worries folks, like other "oops it's my gun and not my taser" moments nothing will be done about it because the victim is a bad person (queue rap sheet).

 

[Jarhyn]

What I'm reading on the internet is a great deal of misbelief that such an accidental confusion was possible. Some are pointing to a potential coverup. Some are pointing to extreme failure in training.

I haven't been able to find an up to date statistic of the number of people killed by tasers, but it's well over 1000.

We have GOT to change how policing is done.

There's no cover up. It's just incompetence.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVH6q0ul72A&feature=emb_title[/YOUTUBE]

Shouldn't tasers be neon yellow (at least the tip when out of the holster) and have other differences to real guns?

This could be a good cop who had a 1 in 10,000 brain fart. With more tweaking of the tasers these accidents should be even more rare.


In others job you can accidentally think you have a pen but actually have a box cutter and all that happens is you need a band-aid for a few days.

As I would hope I just made clear that things can get really fucky wired in the half second it takes to draw a weapon and fire. You know I'm not just some blind cop defender; maybe evidence changes my point of view but as it is, this is just shitty all around.

As it is, pretty much the whole action is going to be in flight before you as the person doing it know that it's being done. It implies a problem with a failure of training, but none of the details indicate to me a desire to draw a gun over a taser, nor of a coverup. I've done worse by accident, after all, even if it was a training exercise. Or, arguably worse.

 

[Toni]

It was not a spit second between drawing the weapon and firing the weapon.

I do not even understand why the officer drew a weapon in the first place.