Rice family lawyers request DOJ investigation into conduct of prosecutor's office

[laughing dog]

Stopping the car right there wasn't a deliberate act, but due to sliding.

Watch the video with your eyes open. Your unwillingness to admit the reality of the situation doesn't make it go away.

If they couldn't see it then they would have had no reason to say he was reaching for it. Thus we can conclude they could see enough to identify it as a gun.

You can conclude anything - your responses are proof of that. But disinterested rational people could possibly come to the following conclusions that are consistent with the facts:
1) they simply assumed there was a gun, or
2) they are lying after the fact.

More importantly, Rice had nothing in his hand. That literally means neither officer was in immediate danger in the less than 2 seconds it took them to execute Rice.

Your unwillingness to admit the reality of the situation doesn't make it go away.

Take cover where?? There was no cover to take. Only the engine block provides any cover and that is nowhere near 100%.

Police use their cars for cover all of the time. Your unwillingness to admit the reality of the situation doesn't make it go away.

 

[KeepTalking]

These two police officers got very lucky - luckier than Tamir Rice.

For the police officers, luck has very little to do with it. The deck is significantly stacked in their favor.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Unlike the Tamir Rice case if you threw a grenade:

1) I'd actually see a grenade, and
2) I'd have more than 2 seconds to react

You would stand there studying the grenade for more than 2 seconds????

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

And had the police actually spent a few minutes investigating the situation instead of opening fire immediately upon arriving at the scene, they would have ascertained that Tamir Rice was a kid playing with a pellet gun, not a crazy individual out on a shooting spree. At the very least, the police showed a callous and reckless disregard for human life through their actions which is in direct contradiction of their sworn duty to serve and protect the community they police, if not outright malice and premeditation, and they should be held accountable for their actions. I am certain that you and Derec understand this, but refuse to acknowledge it since the victim was black and not worthy of the rights that are accorded to non-black citizens.

<Throws hand grenade>

Are you going to investigate whether I pulled the pin or are you going to dive for cover?


If they take the time to investigate and they're wrong they're dead. You have a reckless disregard for cop lives.

Actually, in practice, it was the Officer that put themselves in alleged danger, no one else.

 

[laughing dog]

Unlike the Tamir Rice case if you threw a grenade:

1) I'd actually see a grenade, and
2) I'd have more than 2 seconds to react

You would stand there studying the grenade for more than 2 seconds????

No, I'd throw it back. Duh. Now, perhaps you could explain wtf that has to do with anything.

 

[Toni]

Unlike the Tamir Rice case if you threw a grenade:

1) I'd actually see a grenade, and
2) I'd have more than 2 seconds to react

You would stand there studying the grenade for more than 2 seconds????

You'd really compare Tamir Rice with someone throwing a hand grenade???


FFS, he was a kid, playing in the park. There were no--NO--reports of shots fired. There was NOTHING that indicated anything dangerous or potentially dangerous about this kid. The police took no time to determine whether this was the individual they were sent to check on. They made zero effort to assess the risk this kid posed. They just roared up and killed him. For no good reason at all.

They saw no weapon or 'weapon.' They saw a kid, who from the video approached the way most kids would approach an unknown adult. They shot him. An officer who had been evaluated and terminated by another police department as being unsuitable for police work killed an unarmed child. For no reasons other than gross incompetence and in all likelihood, vast racism that led him to see a black kid as a menacing, armed adult.

You know how that goes, don't you, Loren ?

 

[Rhea]

It takes a pretty monstrously ugly black heart to keep arguing that it's okay to shoot a 12 year old kid dead despite the obvious truth that they could have just parked half a block away and watched for 30 seconds before executing him. That is a sick attitude. Really truly utterly inhuman.

 

[bilby]

It takes a pretty monstrously ugly black heart to keep arguing that it's okay to shoot a 12 year old kid dead despite the obvious truth that they could have just parked half a block away and watched for 30 seconds before executing him. That is a sick attitude. Really truly utterly inhuman.

12 year old kids play a lot of baseball. He could easily have thrown his hand grenade half a block.

 

[Arctish]

It takes a pretty monstrously ugly black heart to keep arguing that it's okay to shoot a 12 year old kid dead despite the obvious truth that they could have just parked half a block away and watched for 30 seconds before executing him. That is a sick attitude. Really truly utterly inhuman.

In the first version of events Loehmann and Garmback gave, they said they pulled into the parking lot and observed Rice. They said the gun was in plain view on a table. They said they saw Rice put the gun into his waistband. They said they approached Rice slowly and attempted to defuse the situation. They said they told Rice to put up his hands, but instead Rice reached to his waistband and pulled out the gun. They said that was when Loehmann shot him. IOW, they said they did all the things people here are saying they should have done, because even they know they should have done them!

They should have stopped the car a short distance away and assessed the situation. Seeing that Rice was not waving a gun around and scaring people, they should have approached on foot and spoken to him. They should not have assumed Rice was the person the 911 call was about. And they should not have gunned him down since they never saw the gun in his hand, or his hand on the gun, or witnessed any threatening behavior from him.

But I suspect even the knowledge that Loehmann and Garmback don't believe their actions were justifiable will be enough to convince certain people that gunning down a 12 year old immediately upon arrival was the wrong way for the cops to handle that call.

 

[atrib]

It takes a pretty monstrously ugly black heart to keep arguing that it's okay to shoot a 12 year old kid dead despite the obvious truth that they could have just parked half a block away and watched for 30 seconds before executing him. That is a sick attitude. Really truly utterly inhuman.

In the first version of events Loehmann and Garmback gave, they said they pulled into the parking lot and observed Rice. They said the gun was in plain view on a table. They said they saw Rice put the gun into his waistband. They said they approached Rice slowly and attempted to defuse the situation. They said they told Rice to put up his hands, but instead Rice reached to his waistband and pulled out the gun. They said that was when Loehmann shot him. IOW, they said they did all the things people here are saying they should have done, because even they know they should have done them!

They should have stopped the car a short distance away and assessed the situation. Seeing that Rice was not waving a gun around and scaring people, they should have approached on foot and spoken to him. They should not have assumed Rice was the person the 911 call was about. And they should not have gunned him down since they never saw the gun in his hand, or his hand on the gun, or witnessed any threatening behavior from him.

But I suspect even the knowledge that Loehmann and Garmback don't believe their actions were justifiable will be enough to convince certain people that gunning down a 12 year old immediately upon arrival was the wrong way for the cops to handle that call.

The police initially lied about the incident :

From Wiki:

Inconsistencies in police account[edit]
The initial account was given by Deputy Chief of Field Operations Ed Tomba, before the video emerged:[22]

Police said that Rice was seated at a table with other people. The video showed that Rice was alone.[44]
Police said that as they pulled up, they saw Rice grab the pellet gun and put it in his waistband. This is not supported by the video.[45] Judge Adrine said the video does not show the pellet gun in Rice's hands in the moments immediately before as the zone car approaches.[8]
Police said that Rice then reached into his waistband and pulled out the pellet gun, and was then shot and killed by Officer Timothy Loehmann. The video shows that Rice did not pull out the pellet gun.[46] In the video, Rice is using both hands to hold his shirt up and expose the pellet gun to view just before he falls to the ground.
Police described the pellet gun as looking real and later explained that the neon tip of the pellet gun was missing.[9] However the police never saw Rice brandish or point the pistol at them to determine if the orange cap was actually missing or not.[9]

Had the video not surfaced, the lies would not have been retracted. Why would the police lie if they did not believe what they had done was wrong?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Had the video not surfaced, the lies would not have been retracted. Why would the police lie if they did not believe what they had done was wrong?

Forget #BLM, this is the ultimate problem, the absolute bs that apparently flies in certain situations. We have had a number of videos come out that were in stark contrast to the original claims of multiple officers. THIS IS A PROBLEM!

 

[ksen]

Had the video not surfaced, the lies would not have been retracted. Why would the police lie if they did not believe what they had done was wrong?

Forget #BLM, this is the ultimate problem, the absolute bs that apparently flies in certain situations. We have had a number of videos come out that were in stark contrast to the original claims of multiple officers. THIS IS A PROBLEM!

Yep, and the obvious solution is to stop videotaping the defenders of justice so they can just do their jobs.

 

[atrib]

And had the police actually spent a few minutes investigating the situation instead of opening fire immediately upon arriving at the scene, they would have ascertained that Tamir Rice was a kid playing with a pellet gun, not a crazy individual out on a shooting spree. At the very least, the police showed a callous and reckless disregard for human life through their actions which is in direct contradiction of their sworn duty to serve and protect the community they police, if not outright malice and premeditation, and they should be held accountable for their actions. I am certain that you and Derec understand this, but refuse to acknowledge it since the victim was black and not worthy of the rights that are accorded to non-black citizens.

<Throws hand grenade>

Are you going to investigate whether I pulled the pin or are you going to dive for cover?


If they take the time to investigate and they're wrong they're dead. You have a reckless disregard for cop lives.

Tamir Rice did not have a hand grenade. He had a toy gun that was tucked into his pants when the police pulled up. He did not have the opportunity to even threaten the lives of the police officers because they recklessly opened fire as soon as they arrived on the scene, without waiting to verify if Rice was the reported suspect or if he actually posed a threat to anybody.

The situation is not analogous to the case of a potentially live grenade lying on the ground. Except to apologists like you who would rather make up shit and sling mud at the victim's family than address the problems with the reckless, lethal actions of the police in this case. The police knew they were wrong because they lied about the incident prior to the video being released.

 

[Derec]

#BLM terrorists issue death threats against the prosecutor.

Death threat for Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Tim McGinty posted on flyer

 

[Nice Squirrel]

#BLM terrorists issue death threats against the prosecutor.

Death threat for Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Tim McGinty posted on flyer

Which #BLM individuals? Please provide police with the names you have immediately.

Hopefully the police will have this person under arrest shortly.

 

[laughing dog]

#BLM terrorists issue death threats against the prosecutor.

Death threat for Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Tim McGinty posted on flyer

The cited story does not mention BLM. What evidence leads you to conclude this poster is the product of BLMers?

 

[Derec]

The cited story does not mention BLM. What evidence leads you to conclude this poster is the product of BLMers?

They referenced Tamir Rice and race war. Who else do you think they might be? Occupy Oregon?

 

[atrib]

#BLM terrorists issue death threats against the prosecutor.

Derec's fake outrage over the posturing of some extremist BLM activists continues. But so far not a peep out of him concerning the people that have been killed in real life by the reckless and callous actions of rogue police officers. Shame on you.

 

[Derec]

Derec's fake outrage over the posturing of some extremist BLM activists continues.

This is not mere posturing, these are criminal threats. DO you think that the perpetrators should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law?

But so far not a peep out of him concerning the people that have been killed in real life by the reckless and callous actions of rogue police officers. Shame on you.

I've said plenty about them too. I acknowledged that police made mistakes in the Tamir Rice case. I said that the killing of Walter Scott was criminal as well. Your claim about "not a peep" is demonstrably false.

 

[RavenSky]

The cited story does not mention BLM. What evidence leads you to conclude this poster is the product of BLMers?

They referenced Tamir Rice and race war. Who else do you think they might be? Occupy Oregon?

Maybe it was you trying to frame the #BLM protestors. That is at least as plausible as your claim.