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Christie: Details of Trump indictment ‘devastating’ | The Hill
“The fact is that these facts are devastating,” Christie told CNN’s Jake Tapper in an interview on Friday.

Christie noted that the indictment accuses Trump of directing what documents were to be packed in boxes upon leaving the White House at the end of his presidency, that they should be sent to Mar-a-Lago and where they would be placed while they were at Mar-a-Lago.

He said Trump is also accused of directing the documents to be taken with him to his golf club in Bedminster, N.J., when he went there during the summer and continuing to “stonewall” investigators who were trying to get the documents returned to government recordkeepers.

“The bigger issue for our country is, is this the type of conduct that we want from someone who wants to be president of the United States?” Christie said.

...
He said the indictment is “very evidence-filled,” making clear the prosecutors have tape recordings, electronic text messages, emails and testimony of dozens of witnesses who have provided the information.
Of the R candidates,
  • Pro-Trump: Nikki Haley, Ron DeSantis, Vivek Ramaswamy
  • Mixed: Mike Pence
  • Anti-Trump: Chris Christie, Asa Hutchinson
 
"The former president made clear he’ll fight the charges on political grounds."
In his first public remarks since a magistrate judge unsealed the damning case against him, Trump made clear that his best — and perhaps primary — defense against the charges will be waged in arenas before friendly audiences rather than in the courtroom.

The former president sought to galvanize his supporters to view the entire American justice system as corrupt, weaponized to target conservatives and deployed to prevent him from winning the 2024 election. The indictment, he said, was a “joke,” done only because Democrats feared him.

“These people don’t stop and they’re bad and we have to get rid of them,” Trump said to an audience assembled by the Georgia Republican Party. “These criminals cannot be rewarded. They must be defeated.”

...
Trump made no secret of his plan to portray the prosecution against him — brought by special counsel Jack Smith — as secretly engineered by President Joe Biden, though the White House and the Department of Justice have gone to great lengths to keep a wall between them on the matter.

“This is a sick nest of people that needs to be cleaned out,” he proclaimed.
What a victim he is!
It seems as though he's decided that he can't win within the existing system of law, and that his only hope is to overthrow the system.

When an individual has been indicted for:

Wilful Retention of National Defence Information (31 counts)
Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice
Withholding a Document or Record
Corruptly Concealing a Document or Record
Concealing a Document in a Federal Investigation
Scheme to Conceal
and
False Statements and Representations,

...perhaps the risk of being further indicted for Sedition and/or Seditious Conspiracy carries little weight.

Make no mistake, though; What Trump is saying here (and elsewhere), and what many of his supporters, including elected representatives, are saying, amounts to a seditious conspiracy.

It also sounds worryingly similar to the sorts of things that are said elsewhere in history, in the lead up to civil disorder, massacres, pogroms, and revolutions.
 
Senate GOP leaders break with House on Trump indictment | The Hill
Senate Republican leaders, including Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), are staying quiet about former President Trump’s indictment on 37 criminal charges, letting him twist in the wind and breaking with House Republican leaders who have rushed to Trump’s defense.

Barr: Presenting Trump as victim after indictment is ‘ridiculous’ | The Hill
“It’s a very detailed indictment. And it’s very, very damning,” Barr told Shannon Bream on “Fox News Sunday. “And this idea of presenting Trump as a victim here, a victim of a witch hunt is ridiculous.”

“Yes, he’s been a victim in the past. Yes, his adversaries have obsessively pursued him with phony claims, and I’ve been at his side defending against them when he is a victim,” he added. “But this is much different. He’s not a victim here.”

Sununu blasts 2024 GOP candidates over response to Trump indictment | The Hill
Sununu said in an interview with CNN’s Anderson Cooper on Friday that he is surprised the other candidates running for the GOP nomination are not being more “aggressive” in calling out the allegations Trump is facing as a “huge problem.”

“When you’re running in a race, you’re trying to beat the guy ahead of you. You’re trying to knock him down, and given all the things and the rap sheet there that’s a mile long, you’d think that they’d be more aggressive,” he said.
 
Barr: Presenting Trump as victim after indictment is ‘ridiculous’ | The Hill
“It’s a very detailed indictment. And it’s very, very damning,” Barr told Shannon Bream on “Fox News Sunday. “And this idea of presenting Trump as a victim here, a victim of a witch hunt is ridiculous.”

“Yes, he’s been a victim in the past. Yes, his adversaries have obsessively pursued him with phony claims, and I’ve been at his side defending against them when he is a victim,” he added. “But this is much different. He’s not a victim here.”

The problem is that Barr defended Trump against serious claims, not phony ones, in the past, but he doesn't want to tarnish his own legacy as one of Trump's chief enablers. Now that he's in the out crowd with Trump, he feels freer to speak the truth. It is refreshing to hear it now, but I can't stop forgetting what he was like when he was part of the problem. Now he's just a hypocrite who is still unrepentant.
 
Yeah, listening to Barr right now is extraordinarily frustrating. Especially when a number of charges Barr feels are pretty damning are OBSTRUCTION.
 
Almost every Republican in power is a hypocrite. Some are actually claiming that it's Biden who's the real criminal and Trump is being persecuted. WTF!
 
Some are actually claiming that it's Biden who's the real criminal and Trump is being persecuted. WTF!
Some? That’s the official party line. They tell their morons everything, then listen carefully to see what story they repeat and run with that. Pizzagate, Huntergate - all of the famous ones are just the spaghetti that happened to stick to the wall.
 
Incredibly, the Hunter Biden JPEGate was released pretty close to Trump's indictment, presumably as cover. I don't know if anyone really cared about JPEGate though... other than those that worship the Mighty Laptop.
 
What I’m reading is that, having been thoroughly smacked over her handling of the last case involving Trump before her, she’s unlikely to repeat her blatant favoritism. It she would be removed.

Regardless, I thoroughly expect this case and others involving Trump to go before the USSC.
 
Some are actually claiming that it's Biden who's the real criminal and Trump is being persecuted. WTF!
Some? That’s the official party line. They tell their morons everything, then listen carefully to see what story they repeat and run with that. Pizzagate, Huntergate - all of the famous ones are just the spaghetti that happened to stick to the wall.
Well, Romney and a few others aren't staying in line, so there's that. Of course, Romney is a RINO now, so he probably doesn't count, McConnell has kept his turtle mouth shut, so while he's a total asshole hypocrite, he at least can draw the line sometimes. :glare: Sununu maybe....
But, yes, it is the official party line. Trump the grifter has fooled them again. *sigh* On the brighter side, nobody lives forever. But, dead or alive, he owns the Rs.
 
Lets say Orange Manboy gets convicted and then wins the election for Prez. Does he stay in jail while he's Prez?
 
What I’m reading is that, having been thoroughly smacked over her handling of the last case involving Trump before her, she’s unlikely to repeat her blatant favoritism. It she would be removed.

Regardless, I thoroughly expect this case and others involving Trump to go before the USSC.

The arraignment tomorrow will be handled by a magistrate judge, not Cannon. So that's something.

Miami Herald

Magistrate Judge Jonathan Goodman — not U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon, who was randomly assigned Trump’s case — will be handling the former president’s arraignment and bond matters. Cannon, who had been widely reported to be handling those duties, will still remain on the historic case as the lead judge.

And of course, Trump's team will take everything they can as far as they can, including to the Supreme Court. Trump himself is angling to have it decided in the court of public opinion, but these charges don't hinge on your political popularity.
 
And of course, Trump's team will take everything they can as far as they can, including to the Supreme Court. Trump himself is angling to have it decided in the court of public opinion, but these charges don't hinge on your political popularity.

For some reason, he's having trouble finding lawyers to represent him in Florida. What? His IOU is no good?

"None of us want to work for the guy": "Nightmare client" Trump can't find a new Mar-a-Lago lawyer


One lawyer did say that he would love to do it, but...

"I would love to do it. I think the case is weak," another attorney who spoke with Trump's defense team said. "But my wife would divorce me and my kids wouldn't talk to me if I defended Trump."
 
Not to worry. Trump will find a lawyer who was at the bottom of his class. Who took 4 tries to pass the bar. Who sometimes manages to get the ocassional ticket fixed. Who will take the case to gain notoriety. This lawyer will try strictly to attempt to get Trump off lightly if possible. And then wil try to write a book about it all.
 
Not to worry. Trump will find a lawyer who was at the bottom of his class. Who took 4 tries to pass the bar. Who sometimes manages to get the ocassional ticket fixed. Who will take the case to gain notoriety. This lawyer will try strictly to attempt to get Trump off lightly if possible. And then wil try to write a book about it all.

Reminds me of one of my favorite short films of recent times.



A low-rent lawyer who fights traffic tickets manages to....well, watch the film. It's only 11 minutes long.

Thing is, the lawyer in the film is actually a decent guy...if not the best attorney in the world. It also reminds me of a husband and wife law team I recorded some commercials for awhile back that handled personal injury cases. I had a few clients who did that sort of thing, but what stood out with them is that they used to handle divorces. They went into the "ambulance chasing" realm because they felt it was something that allowed them to sleep at night. They said that litigating divorces "destroyed our faith in humanity," and that taking insurance companies to court over accident claims was something they could at least live with.

I guess what I'm saying is that the competence of Trump's lawyers, or even their financial acumen isn't the issue. He's burned through all the "good" lawyers. He's burned through all the lawyers he could once afford. Now he's on to the ones who will sell rent their soul for him. Can they make the case that his status as a former President makes him essentially immune from prosecution?

Maybe. Maybe not. Yet he's got a motley crew of attorneys who will gladly sell out the entire planet for the chance to be a hero for a minute.
 
I understand that he has a right to an attorney, and that if he cannot afford one, one will be appointed to him free of charge.

Now, the appointment of a "no cost" attorney usually only applies to defendants who are unable to afford to pay for one, but as Trump's difficulty in getting one is largely because of his history of not paying for them, I think the court could stretch a point.

;)
 
I understand that he has a right to an attorney, and that if he cannot afford one, one will be appointed to him free of charge.

Now, the appointment of a "no cost" attorney usually only applies to defendants who are unable to afford to pay for one, but as Trump's difficulty in getting one is largely because of his history of not paying for them, I think the court could stretch a point.

;)
You're talking about Miranda Rights, and they involve talking to the police, not the proceedings of a criminal trial. Trump not being able to find a lawyer for a trial falls under the "due process" part of the 14th Amendment instead, I think.
 
You're talking about Miranda Rights
I don't recall ever meeting her. Is she licenced to practice law in Florida?
"Where's my Miranda?"
"Miranda? Is she your girlfriend?"
"No, my Miranda Rights. You got yourself a wrongful arrest."
"Okay, I'll give it to you Aussie style...shut up Yank."

- Lachlan McCulloch The Street 2
 
You're talking about Miranda Rights
I don't recall ever meeting her. Is she licenced to practice law in Florida?
"Where's my Miranda?"
"Miranda? Is she your girlfriend?"
"No, my Miranda Rights. You got yourself a wrongful arrest."
"Okay, I'll give it to you Aussie style...shut up Yank."

- Lachlan McCulloch The Street 2
carmen-miranda.png
 
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