Her degree of non-compliance, yes, that's not what I encountered in school.
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Her degree of non-compliance, yes, that's not what I encountered in school.
Arctish
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Therefore, she should still be thrown from her chair and across the room? Compliance must be instantaneous; if it is not, corporal punishment shall be inflicted?
Does the concept of risk mean anything to you?
You asked Maxparrish for a link, not me.
I was just griping about your pattern of trying to deny the basic situation in order to show that the use of force was wrong.
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Really, you never saw a kid say "no" and then just sit there?
Maybe you don't remember those kids because they always complied after a while. Likely because your teachers and principals had the wisdom, patience, and social skills necessary to talk to the kid and reason them into compliance before resorting to throwing them across the room. Isn't that a possibility?
RavenSky
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Then what DID you mean by your insistence that this particular girl could not possibly be taking algebra at 15/16? You insist that you took it before 18 but somehow this particular girl can't? Why is that Derec?
RavenSky
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So? Problem was solved.
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. Does it mean anything to you? You who is defending what this SRO did to this student?
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It’s a likelihood because it’s too weird to be true that he never saw it. If a police officer took action then "her degree of non-compliance" MUST have been extreme or else they wouldn’t have done it... Video evidence and witness testimony won’t change this basic “logic”.
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They identify with the police because the police are powerful, whereas they feel powerless against the perceived threat of a world filled with bitches and thugs. In a world where it’s a "war of every man against every man" a Leviathan becomes needed to force chaos into order. A sovereign ruler would be too much but a "legitimated" bodyguard will do just find to keep the "losers" down.
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So what? At whatever point she complied, that was the EXACT LIMIT of what was needed to get her to comply.
I realize that you are not satisfied with compliance. You want obeisance. And you're ready to punish to get it. She has already complied but you want her punished. You want her dominated by authority.
What you want is undemocratic and unreasonable. You're one of those people who thinks one can gain respect through violence. NeverhappenedInTheHistoryOfTheWorld. All you get is fear and resentment.
Others of us disagree with you. We've seen kids who are actually disruptive. We've seen them dealt with like human beings and successfully. And we've seen force saved for those who are actively dangerous. We actually work with kids. We actually have kids. We've actually been the disruptive one who saw how this can be done.
I know without a doubt that you will never understand this. It is very simple to you. The alpha does whatever it takes to get submission, and you don't stop until they show belly and acknowledge your superior physicality. It's what dogs do. Dogs that have no chance of displaying intellectual wisdom, so they have only physical force. It's good to be reminded that there are people like you out there, so that we can take care to never hire one into a position where their psychopathic position can cause harm. Like this.
I referenced that video not about what preceded force application but as a clear image of the nature of the force application. It illustrates clearly how the desk was flipped and how she was subsequently thrown to the front of the room.
That level of force was not necessary to remove her from the room, irrespective of what she said or how long she had been non-compliant.
Acceptance of that level of force is not granted to teachers, parents, or anybody else. I do not see why it is acceptable for the police officer to throw her around like that.
Granted I went to private school but we did have some kids whose parents sent them there to try to straighten them out in a more disciplinarian environment. Some of those kids were extremely disruptive and rude to instructors. None were ever tossed around like that even when the wrestling coach broke up fights and the outside police were called in to haul off the offenders. Granted the private school had more latitude to expel problem students if they didn't walk the line but that type of force was not in the cards.
Wrestling coach was about 30 years old and at 5'10" and 230 could still dunk a basketball. The guy was a powerhouse and I witnessed him break up two fights. He could have flattened the kids involved but he merely restrained and removed. Why shouldn't we expect such from a professional law enforcement officer dealing with a bratty kid?
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You mean the risk in man handling a student over a petty violation that could have been dealt with in several other manners? Was she truly distracting the entire classroom? Could no other punishment be resorted to in order to remediate this problem in the future?
Are you afraid of teenage girls? Not that I´m surprised.
Now explain to me Loren, with your extensive knowledge. Why is it that I have never sent a police officer to a school in the last year but you think it is needed to deal with a teenage girl? Are American police worse than Icelandic officers?
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In past events that are done deals? No.
BECAUSE they are done deals. There is no risk in my driving my parent's car in one day in August in 1988.
And as for risk, did the officer not engage in risk?
THat will probably what Loren will want to say.
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News Flash
Police work actually isn't terribly dangerous (aka risky), coming in at number 14, squeaking ahead of construction trades, general maintenance and repair workers:
http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-dangerous-jobs/
Just where are the robo calls asking us to help the poor widows of the guys that provide that tuna; and who happen to earn only half of what a typical police officer makes?
Police work actually isn't terribly dangerous (aka risky), coming in at number 14, squeaking ahead of construction trades, general maintenance and repair workers:
http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-dangerous-jobs/
Just where are the robo calls asking us to help the poor widows of the guys that provide that tuna; and who happen to earn only half of what a typical police officer makes?
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One note of importance, while I understand the gist, most of those deaths are accidental.
Oddly enough, plenty of right-wingers think we should get rid of the regulations that would lead to more deaths in those respective fields.
Oddly enough, plenty of right-wingers think we should get rid of the regulations that would lead to more deaths in those respective fields.
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We've all sat in these desks before and know it can be very difficult to extract a person from one. You can wrap your feet around the front legs of the chair, press your knees up against the underside of the desk, you can also use your hands.
Did the cop need to be called in? I would not have handled it that way. Were I the teacher, if she was not disrupting instruction, I would have handled it after the fact.
But the cop was called in. Once this happens, the cop must win the battle. He cannot be seen much less videoed as giving up and walking away or getting into some comical tug of war with the girl. He has a reputation that must be protected. He can be the good cop, the nice cop, but he also must be seen as an individual that enforces when necessary. If he backs down in anyway, within a month, there likely would be half a dozen little swinging dicks looking to challenge his authority in some fashion.
Did the cop need to be called in? I would not have handled it that way. Were I the teacher, if she was not disrupting instruction, I would have handled it after the fact.
But the cop was called in. Once this happens, the cop must win the battle. He cannot be seen much less videoed as giving up and walking away or getting into some comical tug of war with the girl. He has a reputation that must be protected. He can be the good cop, the nice cop, but he also must be seen as an individual that enforces when necessary. If he backs down in anyway, within a month, there likely would be half a dozen little swinging dicks looking to challenge his authority in some fashion.