Syed's Mega-Thread

[RavenSky]

fear is the MOST effective for human decency

So you claim without evidence...

Support your claim with sourced facts

 

[RavenSky]

dont we NEED cops on the streets?

we dont need jails ?

we dont need law enforcement?

Yeah, society still needs police because there is this whole group of religious people like you that seem to believe they can only do the right thing if god or cops force them to

 

[RavenSky]

do you think that without moderator in this forum members would be civil to each other?

You are clearly incapable of being civil to other members... but then again, you are not an atheist.

atheism is a self delusion

 

[RavenSky]

Atheos agrees...

Read it pal!

Enforcement IS a deterrent!

Atheos' point clearly flew over your head

Also, while on the subject of Lion IRC's post about unmarked police cars and the like, what's the point? ...If anything this shows the opposite of the point that is being attempted. People will drive blissfully down the interstate at 10-15 MPH above the posted speed limit with an unmarked police car swimming amongst them but will not do so if a clearly marked police car is present. The REALITY that an enforcement official is watching is a deterrent. The possibility that one might be somewhere in the vicinity is not.

You said "unmarked police car" - similar to an invisible sky daddy. These unseen things do not work as any sort of a deterrent.

 

[AJ113]

...without law enforcement human will behave like animals

As far as I know humans developed civilised society long before policemen were introduced.

So really you should say that without law enforcement, humans......well, invent law enforcement, eventually. Except that you're not likely to say that, because it's kinda the opposite of the point you are trying to make.

 

[AJ113]

atheists believe in separation of church and state

atheists believe in secularism

atheists believe in gay rights

atheists believe incest is ok

atheists believe open marriage is ok

atheists believe porn is ok

atheists believe abortion is ok

atheists believe euthanasia is ok

atheists believe sex outside marriage is ok

atheists believe life evolved without god

atheism IS a way of life

atheism IS a philosophy NOT science

you denied god based on philosophical and lifestyle reasons NOT based on science

The clue's in the name, atheists have a lack of belief in gods. That is all. What you wrote up there ^ is a big fat strawman, you naughty boy.

 

[Lion IRC]

Read it pal!

Enforcement IS a deterrent!

Atheos' point clearly flew over your head

Also, while on the subject of Lion IRC's post about unmarked police cars and the like, what's the point? ...If anything this shows the opposite of the point that is being attempted. People will drive blissfully down the interstate at 10-15 MPH above the posted speed limit with an unmarked police car swimming amongst them but will not do so if a clearly marked police car is present. The REALITY that an enforcement official is watching is a deterrent. The possibility that one might be somewhere in the vicinity is not.

You said "unmarked police car" - similar to an invisible sky daddy. These unseen things do not work as any sort of a deterrent.

Hello...the unmarked cars are catching all the perpetrators who think no one is watching.

 

[Lion IRC]

WUT? Quote mining?
Are you saying Atheos doesn't agree with his/her/zir own statement?

No, I am saying that Atheos doesn't agree with your misrepresentation of his position...

I didn't misrepresent his/her position - I quoted it!

Is it easier for you to cope if I switch it around and say I agree with Atheos rather than Atheos agrees with me? Enforcement IS a deterrent.

 

[iolo]

...If people are good only because they fear God, then why are so many god-fearing people in prison?

I think prison is a wake-up call to lots of people - making them more religious, repentant, rehabilitated.

What is the weather like in your universe? In this one, prisons are the universities of crime, and without them we'd be hugely safer.

 

[Playball40]

Then they're NOT A DETERRENT! People are breaking the law as they don't think or don't know anyone is watching. Obviously your unmarked cop car and unmarked sky daddy is NOT A DETERRENT. Ergo, cameras and gods don't make people honest. Honesty makes people honest.

Atheos' point clearly flew over your head

Also, while on the subject of Lion IRC's post about unmarked police cars and the like, what's the point? ...If anything this shows the opposite of the point that is being attempted. People will drive blissfully down the interstate at 10-15 MPH above the posted speed limit with an unmarked police car swimming amongst them but will not do so if a clearly marked police car is present. The REALITY that an enforcement official is watching is a deterrent. The possibility that one might be somewhere in the vicinity is not.

You said "unmarked police car" - similar to an invisible sky daddy. These unseen things do not work as any sort of a deterrent.

Hello...the unmarked cars are catching all the perpetrators who think no one is watching.

 

[Deepak]

So I might as well chime in, since I'm in the OP. So I was in Williams & Sonoma last night and I managed to make it to the register with a bill under $60. The lady at the register asked me if I wanted to donate to whatever charity they were collecting for and I donated a fiver. Who or what was I in fear of that forced me to do this? The looking threat of a secret police officer hidden blending in perusing olive pitters?

Lion brought up people's belief in god as some sort of moral firmament - the problem with the argument is that asking 10 believers what they think about anything but the simplest moral quandary nets you at least eleven answers.

Now the folks at ISIS have a god and a police - surely there's some disconnect in these arguments since that's the case.

 

[Atheos]

Atheos' point clearly flew over your head

Also, while on the subject of Lion IRC's post about unmarked police cars and the like, what's the point? ...If anything this shows the opposite of the point that is being attempted. People will drive blissfully down the interstate at 10-15 MPH above the posted speed limit with an unmarked police car swimming amongst them but will not do so if a clearly marked police car is present. The REALITY that an enforcement official is watching is a deterrent. The possibility that one might be somewhere in the vicinity is not.

You said "unmarked police car" - similar to an invisible sky daddy. These unseen things do not work as any sort of a deterrent.

Hello...the unmarked cars are catching all the perpetrators who think no one is watching.

No. The unmarked cars are fishing for revenue. They aren't catching all the perps.

I didn't misrepresent his/her position - I quoted it!

Then you surely don't mind if I quote the bible:

Take your son, your only son, whom you love and offer him for a burnt offering.

Obviously Yahweh wants everyone to practice human sacrifice.

 

[funinspace]

I didn't misrepresent his/her position - I quoted it!

Then you surely don't mind if I quote the bible:

Take your son, your only son, whom you love and offer him for a burnt offering.

Obviously Yahweh wants everyone to practice human sacrifice.

Well, you know what they say: Quotes don't deceive; people deceive with quotes

 

[Atheos]

Marked Police Car

Yahweh / Allah

Unmarked Police Car

Maybe a toilet paper roll with a brown recluse hiding just out of sight.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

People who say they can be good without God watching forget that we live in a world
of unmarked police cars, undercover cops, CCTV's on every street corner,
lie detector tests, radar speed cameras....

#visible_police_presence

Police does not imply that people can't be good without fear of God. Do you actually think that everyone, or even most people who do not believe in Hell, in places like Japan, China, Sweden, or the UK, are refraining from doing really bad things because they fear the police?

But the argument here isn't so much about whether we can "be good" with or without God but whether there is any such thing as "good" if each human gets to decide for themselves what IS good. Biblical theists think that God places a moral compass in our hearts - that we are created in His likeness - and even the atheist intuits the existence of a quasi-transcendent moral law.

No, that's not the argument here. You're changing the subject now. What you now bring up is the main argument (or issue) in - say - WLC's website. But not here. Here, the issue is indeed whether we can be good without fear of God.

Biblical theists think that God places a moral compass in our hearts - that we are created in His likeness - and even the atheist intuits the existence of a quasi-transcendent moral law.

What do you mean by "quasi-transcendent"?

Atheists are among the many supporters of same-sex 'marriage' for example. When asked why we ought to do something "good" rather than "evil" even the atheist has to wonder if "good" is merely a matter of personal opinion.

What does that have to do with same-sex marriage?
It's a very odd statement - as odd as Craig's conflation of the issue of same-sex relations with his metaethical argument for theism ( http://www.reasonablefaith.org/a-christian-perspective-on-homosexuality )

Is that where you got the idea?

Ask the atheist if there really is such a thing as inalienable human rights. (Primate rights, Mammalian rights, Reptilian rights, etc.) And if such rights really so exist - who gave them to us? Can they be taken away? Are they enforced by some Higher Power?

Talk of rights is another way (I think not a very good one, all other things equal) of talking about morality. As for inalienable rights, A has an inalienable right to X just in case it would be immoral for some other agents (which ones depends on the case) to forcibly prevent A from X (i.e., A has a right to X), and that would remain so even if A attempted to waiver the right, or in some other cases (it depends on the situation).

But the question of who gave us those rights is improper, because it assume someone did. But it's immoral to do prevent agents from doing some stuff. That's enough for there to be a right, and sometimes, it's inalienable because of the aforementioned reason.

 

[atrib]

You are unable to defend your rejection of Bantu, the Supreme Cosmic Toad is a rational manner. Therefore Bantu exists. Six year olds can do better than this, Syed. I am disappointed at your lack of personal growth despite being a long term member here.

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Life makes life all over the place, whatever creatures you look at. And not a god to be seen.

once life didn't existed on earth so how did life appeared without life? earth is magic land create life itself ?

Self replicating chemicals. Chemistry driven by the energy of the universe. Next.

where i can find this self replicating chemicals?

In the cells of living things. I know that you have no formal education, but you really need to do a little reading before posting dumb shit.

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Your whole body is made of them.

what my body is replicating?

Many of the cells in your body can replicate themselves. Some cannot.

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Life makes more of itself. And now so can a set of custom-designed chemicals. Chemists have shown that a group of synthetic enzymes replicated, competed and evolved much like a natural ecosystem, but without life or cells.


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did god put life on the cell?

No. Life is the manifestation of matter and energy interacting within your cells.

 

[atrib]

Atheism is not a beliefsystem. It simply a description of the fact of not having belief in gods.

you believe that god does not exist, so it is based on beliefsystem NOT evidence

It is based on the LACK OF EVIDENCE for god(s). Try to keep up.

Do you believe in Bantu, the Supreme Cosmic Toad that created the universe through His Divine Flatulence? You don't. Ask yourself why you don't believe in Bantu and you will find the answer to the question you are asking.

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I don't believe that god (or any gods) exist, because there is no evidence. There is also no evidence for unicorns, so I don't believe in their existence either.

existence of universe IS evidence of god NOW you disprove that evidence

Existence of the universe is evidence that Bantu exists. You disprove that.

 

[atrib]

Syed, if the only thing keeping you from behaving like animals (whatever that means) is your belief in this invisible friend, by all means keep believing.

Meanwhile I will continue to act civilized because I genuinely care about the people around me and desire that the world will be a better place for my having been here.

atheists have no foundation to be civil, you do what makes you feel good

They do. Civility and empathy towards others is programmed into our genes because it allows us to work in teams and increase the fitness of our species. Except if you are a Muslim and then you just kill everyone.

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Agriculture, not marriage, is the foundation of civilisation.

lol

family makes human civilized, if we human just fuck around without marriage, we would be like animals

We are animals. Very smart animals. Well, most of us anyway Syed.

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You do realize why that statement is ridiculous, right? You can't evoke your own hearsay and call it evidence.

how did the universe come about without god?

Through the collision of membranes within dimensions your mind cannot visualize.

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Why didn't your parents, teachers etc. just raise you to be a decent human being?

even if they did we still NEED cops on streets, dont we?

The cops are there to keep religious people from doing mischief.

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I don't believe that god (or any gods) exist, because there is no evidence. There is also no evidence for unicorns, so I don't believe in their existence either.

we believe that god created the universe NOW you have to disprove that

I believe Bantu created the universe now you disprove that.

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because people who fuck around cant produce educated children and without education there is no civilization

3) Not very long ago I had sex with a Muslim woman who I was not married to. It was casual sex and she had no plans on marrying me. So obviously not all Muslims believe in sex inside the marriage or think it's good. She clearly didn't agree.

you did not have sex with a muslim woman but a disbelieving whore

I fucked a Muslim woman once. She wanted anal.

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Oh, and by the way ... we are animals. You've already been told that, but your religious conditioning prevents you from accepting our true nature. Another way religion lies to us.

NO, you atheists believe you are the animals, i kind of agree lol

Do you think you are a plant then? lol

 

[funinspace]

Stupid is, as stupid does

If I said that life was created by a magic unicorn who farts life out of his ass, how would you refute that?

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you are unable to defend your rejection of god in rational manner. therefore there is a god

you are unable to defend your rejection of atheism in rational manner. therefore there is no god.

 

[funinspace]

Maybe a head of Broccoli

atheism is worthless philosophy will not survived

because people who fuck around cant produce educated children and without education there is no civilization

3) Not very long ago I had sex with a Muslim woman who I was not married to. It was casual sex and she had no plans on marrying me. So obviously not all Muslims believe in sex inside the marriage or think it's good. She clearly didn't agree.

you did not have sex with a muslim woman but a disbelieving whore

Congratulations, you have pretty much just argued yourself out of your claim. As sex outside of, or before marriage, pretty much makes most of humanity whores, and therefore they not believers in any of the Yahweh derived troglodyte god(s)...at least by your 'logic'.