The Democrats are going to rig the next election the same way they cheated last time

[Patooka]

The Colorado decision to keep Trump off the ballet.

If there is one person who shouldn't ever appear in tight tights and a tutu, it's DJT.

Don't kink shame me mate or I'll report you to the mods.

 

[Ford]

I can’t think of a much more anti-democratic action than to openly endeavor to keep the opposition off of our ballots entirely. The DNC are the ones that have, and are, trying just that very play. That's today. And Prior. Not some what-if.

Really? What the actual hell are you talking about?

The Colorado decision to keep Trump off the ballet. The bogus Russia collusion crap and impeachments. The bogus lawfare, some which has already failed but all of it designed to keep a candidate off the ballot.

Still waiting for all that proof the Democrats "rigged" the 2020 election. Got anything yet?

 

[ZiprHead]

I can’t think of a much more anti-democratic action than to openly endeavor to keep the opposition off of our ballots entirely. The DNC are the ones that have, and are, trying just that very play. That's today. And Prior. Not some what-if.

Really? What the actual hell are you talking about?

The Colorado decision to keep Trump off the ballet.

You mean the one the constitution requires?

The bogus Russia collusion crap

Senate Intel Releases Election Security Findings in First Volume of Bipartisan Russia Report

Press | Intelligence Committee

www.intelligence.senate.gov

Not to mention Paul Manafort giving private polling data directly to Russians.

and impeachments.

Trump didn't deny doing any on it.

The bogus lawfare, some which has already failed but all of it designed to keep a candidate off the ballot.

He had top secret documents on our nuclear program in his house. Guests reported he would let just about anyone he felt worthy of see them. He lied to the FBI about having them (a crime in itself), and claimed he had a right to take them, which is just fucking stupid.

 

[pood]

I can’t think of a much more anti-democratic action than to openly endeavor to keep the opposition off of our ballots entirely. The DNC are the ones that have, and are, trying just that very play. That's today. And Prior. Not some what-if.

Really? What the actual hell are you talking about?

The Colorado decision to keep Trump off the ballet. The bogus Russia collusion crap and impeachments. The bogus lawfare, some which has already failed but all of it designed to keep a candidate off the ballot.

Bogus impeachments? He instigated a coup attempt against the government. People got killed. He ought to be tried for treason. But there is no reasoning with the likes of you. You live in a dreamland echo chamber of right-wing Trumpaganda and Trumpanzee bullshit. Revel in it.

 

[Patooka]

Still waiting for all that proof the Democrats "rigged" the 2020 election. Got anything yet?

I do! I was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up, but it has been discussed here before and I fucking hate repeating myself.

But I also love proving RVonse wrong so what to do?

What to do...what to do...

...fuckit. I'm a self righteous arsehole and to be fair, it's real fucking easy proving RVonse wrong so this is like a 5 minute job for me - here we go again.

Show

After 2020 the Republican Lt Governor of Texas Dan Patrick offered a $1million bounty to anyone who can provide voter fraud. He almost got into trouble about it because allegedly that bounty was raised from campaign donations prior to the election. But Republicans are corrupt pieces of shit so Dan Patrick got away with it.

But good news! Dan Patrick found election fraud in the 2020 election! And he paid out a reward! So I guess RVonse was right all along.

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Come on, you all know what I'm gonna say next. The only person who has taken the Lt Governor of Texas up on his offer to show evidence that voter fraud occurred in 2020 is a Democrat. And the person committing fraud was a MAGA cunt. Dan Patrick to his credit paid out $25,000 out of the $1mil warchest.

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick pays out $25,000 to Democrat who reported Republican voter fraud

A week after the 2020 election, Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick announced that he was offering up to $1 million -- paid from his campaign account -- "to incentivize, encourage and reward people to come forward and report voter fraud."

edition.cnn.com

And as I said, I've raised this before and I've pointed this out to RVonse before. So, Ford. Stop being so facetious when it comes to election fraud. RVonse is right that is a thing and I just proved it. Republicans will stop at nothing to win and each and every one them are corrupt cunts.

Which I'm totally sure was RVonse's point in the first place. But I've gotta admit; it took me 12 minutes to type this, not five. So I guess both side lie?

 

[Shadowy Man]

I can’t think of a much more anti-democratic action than to openly endeavor to keep the opposition off of our ballots entirely. The DNC are the ones that have, and are, trying just that very play. That's today. And Prior. Not some what-if.

Really? What the actual hell are you talking about?

The Colorado decision to keep Trump off the ballet.

This case was brought by Republicans don’t you know?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If ballot fraud is so easy and prevalent, there should be plenty of evidence of it. Yet, to date, no one has come up with any.

Also, the accusation that Democrats steal elections by ballot fraud sounds like an example of “Every accusation is a confession”. Remember the 2000 election?

We've had a little. Notably, skewing strongly Republican. They think they can get away with it but end up tripped up by the checks in the system.

This is yet another accusation that is a confession.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If it is so easy to cheat in elections using mail-in ballots the Republicans could have done it just as easily as the Democrats.

You might as well say God rigged the election if you can provide no evidence of the fraud.

But according to the Republican's there is a big difference in the pool of potential fraud Democrat versus what would be possible for Republicans. That is because (according to them) most of the illegals were motivated by Democrat entitlements to cross the border in the first place and their pool is huge. It would be huge stack of illegal ballots for Democrats versus Republican votes. See the above video.

And how are illegals supposedly getting voter registrations to vote with? Those are checked. The Republicans love to challenge large numbers of "illegal" voters but with incredibly high error rates and no proof any of them actually are wrong. Just because someone was at one point a green card holder doesn't mean they didn't later become a citizen and thus eligible.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If ballot fraud is so easy and prevalent, there should be plenty of evidence of it. Yet, to date, no one has come up with any.

Also, the accusation that Democrats steal elections by ballot fraud sounds like an example of “Every accusation is a confession”. Remember the 2000 election?

They allege circumstantial evidence though. If memory serves there were a couple states Trump was winning on exit polls and then mail in ballots suddenly came in to completely reversed that trend.

Yes. Which is no surprise if you understand the demographics.

Democrats were more likely to stay safe and vote by mail. Thus in a close state it would be no surprise at all if he won at the polling station but lost in the election.

Mail-in ballots used to be favored by the Republicans. It's only because Covid skewed the demographics that now they're upset about them. (Not to mention the little detail that you can't very well underprovision blue precincts when doing mail-in voting.)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

. Plus since voting illegally carries a potential prison sentence,

There is no crime as long as the party can credibly convince the court that they "thought" they were a citizen. And if I were a judge I would probably side with the illegal that can not even speak our language yet.

But you still haven't addressed how they registered in the first place.

https://www.nvsos.gov/sosvoterregform/

Note that you need either your state ID or the last four of your social.

 

[Shadowy Man]

. Plus since voting illegally carries a potential prison sentence,

There is no crime as long as the party can credibly convince the court that they "thought" they were a citizen. And if I were a judge I would probably side with the illegal that can not even speak our language yet.

But you still haven't addressed how they registered in the first place.

they haven’t addressed it because they don’t have a story of how it’s possible. It’s just a canard that riles up the base. If they were dealing in details we would long ago have known how.

 

[southernhybrid]

. Plus since voting illegally carries a potential prison sentence,

There is no crime as long as the party can credibly convince the court that they "thought" they were a citizen. And if I were a judge I would probably side with the illegal that can not even speak our language yet.

But you still haven't addressed how they registered in the first place.

they haven’t addressed it because they don’t have a story of how it’s possible. It’s just a canard that riles up the base. If they were dealing in details we would long ago have known how.

He's hopeless. You can't reason with people who only believe what they want to believe or who are heavily influenced by the Trump cult. I doubt that all of the evidence in the world would change a Trump supporters mind. The are glued to conspiracy theories and they still think that Trump won in 2020, despite no evidence of voter fraud.

They are already saying they will only accept the results of the election if Trump wins. And, while Trump is saying that the election should only be on one day,, with paper ballots, he's also telling his cult members to vote anyway they can, by mail, early, whatever. He talks out of both sides of his corrupt, lying mouth. No surprise.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The 2000 election wasn't an issue of fraud, that was an issue of obstruction, fake grassroot citizens trying to force entry into the Canvassing Board in Palm Beach, and the GOP coming up with a bogus argument that a state can't have a statewide recount because the method of counting votes varies by county (though I concede I think that was unanimously held by SCOTUS).

George W. Bush argued that the state of Florida shouldn't have recounted every vote (or under/over vote). He even convinced SCOTUS to make the state of Florida stop while they whittled away the time.

I agree both sides are guilty of shenanigans, no argument. That is exactly why (as Elon Musk points out above) we should endeavor to improve the quality of our voting process. So that all citizens will have confidence if it becomes a close election.

Musk isn't after fair. He's after anything that tips it towards Republicans. Lots of fraud there in disenfranchising Democrats.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

One extremely easy and IMO reasonable thing that could be changed right away is to make sure all ballots are filled out by people who prove they are citizens. That seems pretty easy and reasonable considering all the security passwords and measures everyone else in this country requires. But somehow the Democrats don't seem to want to ever let that happen for some reason. Which kind of leads me to believe the Republicans might actually be right about this.

And you have done nothing to show that there's a problem there.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If ballot fraud is so easy and prevalent, there should be plenty of evidence of it. Yet, to date, no one has come up with any.

Also, the accusation that Democrats steal elections by ballot fraud sounds like an example of “Every accusation is a confession”. Remember the 2000 election?

They allege circumstantial evidence though. If memory serves there were a couple states Trump was winning on exit polls and then mail in ballots suddenly came in to completely reversed that trend.

Unless the mail in ballots show some extreme skew, so what?

I recall the My Pillow moron making claims about election fraud in a county on WI but he claimed a vote count that exceeded the number of registered voter, by a large number.

IIRC that was somebody fat-fingering a number and soon corrected.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If it is so easy to cheat in elections using mail-in ballots the Republicans could have done it just as easily as the Democrats.

You might as well say God rigged the election if you can provide no evidence of the fraud.

But according to the Republican's there is a big difference in the pool of potential fraud Democrat versus what would be possible for Republicans. That is because (according to them) most of the illegals were motivated by Democrat entitlements to cross the border in the first place and their pool is huge. It would be huge stack of illegal ballots for Democrats versus Republican votes. See the above video.

So, since there’s no evidence of it, please explain how exactly an illegal immigrant votes by mail and gets it counted?

I'm not a fraud expert but even I can see how you could dupe the system. Just canvass immigrants with ballots when you bus them to their new motel rooms that you have just provided for them. Help them fill them out. Then mix those ballots at the post office with good ballots to the election office.

Optometrist, now!

Handing them a ballot does nothing without a corresponding voter registration. And said registration checks citizenship.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Ballet mailing. You must dance to the mailbox in ballet shoes.

Nah. In the old days you could actually post kids. He's obviously talking about sending a whole performance. Sorry, but those days are long gone.

(And, no, it wasn't bonkers. Local delivery along the mailman's route, kid rides with the postman.)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

if there was no fraud, then there is no need to raise taxes and reduce our freedoms to correct a nonexistent problem in order to satisfy a delusional sore loser and his gullble dupes.

Touchee.

But really, how much is the need to raise taxes to simply require a drivers license or other proof of being an actual citizen?

1) A driver's license isn't proof of citizenship.
1a) I know someone who at one point held a US driver's license but never was a citizen.
1b) My wife had a non-driver's ID before she was a citizen. It was in no way marked to show she wasn't a citizen.

2) You're going to raise costs because things have to be done faster which means you need more people to do them. More time spent training those people.

 

[Shadowy Man]

If it is so easy to cheat in elections using mail-in ballots the Republicans could have done it just as easily as the Democrats.

You might as well say God rigged the election if you can provide no evidence of the fraud.

But according to the Republican's there is a big difference in the pool of potential fraud Democrat versus what would be possible for Republicans. That is because (according to them) most of the illegals were motivated by Democrat entitlements to cross the border in the first place and their pool is huge. It would be huge stack of illegal ballots for Democrats versus Republican votes. See the above video.

So, since there’s no evidence of it, please explain how exactly an illegal immigrant votes by mail and gets it counted?

I'm not a fraud expert but even I can see how you could dupe the system. Just canvass immigrants with ballots when you bus them to their new motel rooms that you have just provided for them. Help them fill them out. Then mix those ballots at the post office with good ballots to the election office.

Optometrist, now!

Handing them a ballot does nothing without a corresponding voter registration. And said registration checks citizenship.

In his scenario why would they even need the immigrants at all. Just fill in fake ballots and mix them in. Of course as you said unless these ballots have names on the registration lists and don’t show up as duplicates they won’t be counted.

Hence why I was asking about how exactly this process is supposed to work because the supporters of the fraud claim don’t appear to know how it works.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Would you agree it makes sense to fix a weak and vulnerable election system if it did not cost a lot of tax funds?

Would it be a good idea for you to quit beating your wife?